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may i go a bit off-subject from the main thread? i have a theory, let me introduce you to it. would appreciate your opinion on it Nanook... it gives more insight into the function ordering and if that ordering actually exists or not. I will jam it into you in a few sentences, i hope i dont...

i dont blame it on jung. jung did nothing wrong. jung is my hero. i blame it on the guessing by meyers-briggs and other followers the entire function ordering protocol of mbti is based on a few sentences in jung's books such as: nothing opposes thinking more than feeling. nothing opposes...

yes MBTI 4 letter code sucks: perceivers = ExxP & IxxJ (perception function first) judgers = ExxJ & IxxP (judgement function first) Also the whole fixed function ordering thing sucks. It's non-proven. it's only based on guessing what our guru Carl Jung said exactly (which is debated). Just...

aha??? so your stated fact is not proof? you made our readers confused now ;)

I agree. But the original intent was not to take good care. The original intent was to enslave/eat. As long as you remember that. Because some people forget that, they turn things around: they think a government or corporation was set-up to care for you, for example. Thats like saying the farm...

You are totally right that hunter/gatherer is less work generally, for the average human that is. People in modern society are doing MUCH more work. TRUE! Even most slave-masters keep on working (expanding, making more money as a sport). So even the slave-masters get enslaved into the...

so... all parasites are evil

i'm just kidding around, it's smart it would actually work if the spiteful texts on the site would be removed

So humble of you guys! That really makes sense as great proof!

Your counter-argument is skewed: Your are implying something I have not said. I am saying twins can be DIFFERENT types, I have never said that their type can be EXACTLY identified, just that the DIFFERENCE can be noted. Visit a few twins and you will see for yourself that quite often (not...

Personality type is NOT 100% genetic I have solid proof: - There are many gentically identical (monozygotic) twins with a TOTALLY different personality type compared to their other twin. I am not saying there is NO genetic factor. There is most probably a genetic factor, favoring certain...

Scientology's e-meter auditing was a pretty smart trick: You tell a person their most personal flaws (or strengths) and touch them on their core with this stuff, as if you have done something so magical nobody has ever done to them, and then you promise them you can improve them on that...

Hmm haha, me INFJ? I dont think so... so I have already attained guru status in your eyes??? About changing type: I said that maybe 0-3 people actually did it (buddha etc), which was a joke: it actually means that probably 0 people did it in reality. That was the pun intended. So I have said...

Re: Bird So you guys are all on Skype conference calls? Talking about animal sex? Without me??? Invite me too!

congratulations! next step: try a woman

plants actually make those poisons so we stop eating them. its their defense against us. plants dont help us, they defend against us. unless its in their fruit, in which case they do make it for us, which we eat and disperse their seed from the fruit

He is/was probably not INTP and/or not ENFP. I can simulate any type, that doesnt mean i AM that type. To change your function preference you have to burn everything you have, physically, mentally and bonding-wise. You have to go through hellish pain, crash and burn and experience death. Only...

What is the advantage of taking a less effective herb if you can take the real chemical???? Either you do it well or you dont. You either chemically assist yourself, or choose not to, to train your own natural willpower to kick yourself into another mode without drugs. Herbs is for those...

your positivist = strong Se (lives in the moment, does not prepare for future) your optimist = strong Ne (prepares for future) your skeptic = strong Ti your pessimist can be splitted into Si-pessimists and Ni-pessimists.

optimist/pessimist is from your perception functions, the way you see things skeptic is from your judging functions, seperate

If you apply no selection criteria for (the ideas of) the people in your life, your life will be a useless mess. A man that stands for nothing, falls for everything

The special thing to note is that there exists no thought/concept/meme in your mind that has no opposite. Our mental existence is based on opposites

middle vs periphery/perimeter/circumference average vs deviation 0/nothing/void vs all/infinity

some people are more productive than others. paying people what they are worth does not have anything to do with slavery. a free market is decentralized and is not hierarchical in nature. regulated markets are however centralized hierarchies: they have a central point of control.

INTPs are not personally distrustful (not hateful), but logically distrustful (skeptical)

*********************************** Se/Ne = optimistic <vs> Si/Ni = pessimistic *********************************** Te/Fe = convinced <vs> Ti/Fi = skeptical ***********************************

literal slave, salary slave, debt slave, its all the same: to ride another person's back. salary slave is just less in your face, debt slave is even more hidden. they are just more subtle versions of the old scam. that why i am suggesting here that its either right or wrong, there is no...

Re: Dreams it means you think too much about war and being part of an army

To whom were you addressing this? I dont remember anybody volunteering for it in this thread. Although SpaceYeti said that there are some people (slave-fetishists) who do.

so how would you live the question?

Wow this is weird?? So you think its cruel to keep a cow for milk, but you don't think its cruel to keep a cow to slaughter it? If I were a cow, and I was kept/caged anyway in both cases, then I'd rather give some milk than that they slaughter me... But if you were a cow, you'd rather be...

NTs have the eyes of the collective (they see far), but the mind of an individual.

what do you mean by accept who you are? by accepting that you only have the first 4 functions or something like that? and that the other 4 are just not you?

Genetics is not the only evolutionary mechanism. Read about memetics, the evolution of human thought. I believe there is also a form of animal (or even plant) memetics, since multiple actors(plants or animals or whatever) all do communication (includes competition etc). Any multiple agent pool...

that is only perspective live as a slave, know the answer that slavery is wrong live as a master, know the answer that slavery is right

well if the mutually exclusive terms are on the same axis/dimension of the opposites, then: yes. but not always: fork and mouse > mutually exclusive, but not opposites ;)

Why are you speaking out for the state? Do you own MAJOR shares in the state? Then I get your point. (Or are you into speaking for the state, even though you have no major shares? Then I do not get your point) You say society, but you mean state: the human farm So if you make it too...

You go half-way, which means you stand for nothing. You just comply with everything, you comply with 2 rationalities which are mutually contradictive > You combine death-wish upon the cow with care for the cow? How does this make you think, I hope I can show it to you like this: ---- So if...

alrai > i've been talking to artsu for a while here, he is not combative. he's just trying to put something out. but its generally good advice to do things subtle. although everything has its flipside: if you do it too subtle then the INTPs put it down too easily ;) artsu > i know where you...

do you have any other examples of triplets? i dont know any?

gratitude vs wastefulness

Can you explain this with more details? With elaborate examples?

entheogens is psychedelics like ayahuasca right? what insights does this give you? i am interested in the subject, never tried it though

Well yes, slave-fetish exists, I have no idea how that would feel for a slave-fetishist, but it feels sick to me??? Doesnt come off as very healthy to me?? Some people are more "serving", yes, but they always want something back for it. There is something they want. Thus it is not all...

i dont see the relevance? what does sex have to do with slavery?

Found something > Fruitarianism: Fruitarianism involves the practice of following a diet that includes fruits, nuts and seeds, without animal products, vegetables and grains.[1] Fruitarianism is a subset of dietary veganism. Some fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall) naturally...

I think slavery is wrong from a subject perspective, dont get me wrong, yet I can't conclude why if I rationally try?? So I am just devil's advocate here: ----- We keep livestock as cattle. Animals do work for us and we literally eat them. Because we farm animals we have more free time to do...

ok i'll fix it: read vs block (e.g. receive vs block reception) write vs erase (e.g. record/log vs erase) as mentioned here: a vs b is an antonym if do a + do b (or vice versa)=0 that is a VERY SMART DEFINITION! I BOW TO YOU! take love vs hate. which is an antonym, because do love + do...

In Freudian psychology: The pleasure principle is the psychoanalytic concept describing people seeking pleasure and avoiding suffering (pain) in order to satisfy their biological and psychological needs The reality principle is the psychoanalytic concept describing circumstantial reality...

Except that she (the ESFP) is never YOUR (exclusive) lady. She's yours in the moment, but in another moment, she's another's. haha She is very loyal... to her sensations!