So we made a mistake in regards to Yellow, and I played a large part. I am sorry to an extent.. but shit happens, and hopefully her lynch will not be in vain. I stand by what I said in regards to Yellow not seeming upfront or confident.. I thought she was playing a mafia game similar to mine.. But it transpires she simply was a Vannila Townie, who didn't convince me, for one, of her Townliness. I note that her suspicion started with me, moved to Hado, then to Gopher then back to Hado. With PMJ thrown in there too.
I think Blarraun started the game tentatively, proceeded cautiously, and in fair logic. He picked up on the same uncertainties I had in regards to Yellow and applied some pressure on her.. He soon after came under fire from Gopher and Hado, Hado explained his stance against Blarraun as mostly one driven by self preservation. I didn't wholly buy Gophers case on Blarraun, and I think Blarrauns defense in return to Gopher was reasonable. Blarraun was accused of being low key and passive, I note that he has since injected more energy and determination into his play.. He has come under continued pressure from Goph, but he has not cracked and slipped any scum tells as far as I can tell. He did initially suspect Hado as scum but came around to the idea that Hado is most likely the Blue Role. He also retracted his vote on Yellow coming round to the idea that she was playing as inexperienced town would.
Gopher's case on Blarraun didn't come all at once, but bit by bit. I just found it weird that even after Blarraun defended himself reasonably, Gopher still resorted to casting his vote on blarraun based on 'statistical' game play. Verdict: FoS Gopher.
Hado, I did read him as Town, and him being Blue Role tracker certainly adds perspective to his passivity. If he's scum and pulling some sort of gambit.. Well, that's some audacity. As it happens I'm inclined to believe hm because I think I know who the other Blue Role is.
Hado and Blarraun, yellow and QT have all pointed FoS at PMJ. I'll admit, I'm torn between whether his Ni is doing it's INTJ thing, or whether he actually did roll scum. There is some disparity between what he says and what he does... But I'm not sure if he's aware of it? Verdict: FoS PMJ.
Spacelog: Seems town to me, and a confident one at that. But I need to eradicate some variable before he gets the rubber stamp of approval.
Sete: I actually disagree with a number of Sete's reads. I note that he's playing with an air confidence.. I'm trying to determine the source of that confidence. Verdict: Under Scrutiny.
QT: All his posts seem pro town logic.. But I'd like to see more engagement.
I now look to Hado for any clue's he might have.
I was actually expecting Susan to call Yellow a pussy for dieing or something.
Something had to happen for Blar read to flip fop like it has.
Bitbybit Reference? I doubt Gopher was doing 1 rax all in this game. More over, Will see more on how her sus. lives up to Gopher.
Hado is boring read that everyone has made ex. PMJ
Interesting read. She notes that 4 people are FOSing PMJ, and then makes it five.
This interests me due to PMJ being lynchbait basically. No off...Actually fuck it. PMJ play so far has been so sus. that I can understand all the FOS on him, and even have some of my own. But as we already have seen (cough Hado), Lynchbait is prime meal for this town (and scum folk living among us.) and who goes after them can help town find out eachother, and find scum.
Honestly, the read feels just like a person hopping on a train. I feel like the read was oversold if that makes sense. Prob. doesn't so basically why I mean is that the read feels like it should be a null (or conflicted) but is instead outcomes as a FoS. But typing this out, I guess it does make some sense.
Or if FoS was the FoS as in Fuckable on site. That also makes sense, but please, keep the Fing offsite.
Read on me is out there.
Sete might be worth a relook (from my POV)
QT, again, lets see.
The clue sentence is offputting for me. As if, she was looking for something from Hablo that hinted to a check or something.
Eh, I kinda do not like it. Need to look at her vote reasons on Blar.
Also, you post told us nothing. Please explain why you were defending Bla.
You've done fuck all this game, save for a few one-liners. Cough up the goods, please. Sorry, but I don't believe for one fucking nanosecond anyone is busier / more knackered than I am. If I can manage the odd post, I'm pretty sure you can.
Same at QT; same at ShapeBlog.
What's at me? I am lost because your knickers were in a twist with sinny.
Awesome. Thanks spacehog
Yeah I do <3 me some <3
I don't like your town read on gopher.
He wouldn't fight me as scum. We both tunneled each other's guts out last game. He's not a reckless player. He knows I'll counter-tunnel, he doesn't like attention at all. If I counter-tunnel and go down and flip green he dies the next day or is a strong candidate. All for what? To take out one player? No. As scum he plays diplomatically. He knows I scum-bait. He might vote me day one as any alignment, but he's not tunneling me day one ever. This read of yours is terrible.
He's also not clueless. Dunno if you knew that, but that's just his communication style. He disarms people as both town and scum. He is far from dumb town. He's a clever guy, who has a powerful style at mafia. While at times I admit I over-estimate the depth of his thoughts (since he's mostly an intuitive player), he is not someone you can give a shred of leniency to on the competence scale.
Whadyathink?
This is completely off topic, but something that has been bothering me.
Why the nice treatment on me? Like, before I even came back, you were <3'ing when you were talking about me. I can maybe understand the vet idea, but gopher and QT was a bit barred from it as well. And even here, I am treated as I am god or something. Tbh, if you weren't uncc Tacker, I would accuse you of buddying in the 1st degree.
But you are so, I guess I just eat chalk.
Well i didn't know he played like that? But what i meant behind it was that people would most likely chalk it up as "they are doing it again." call it TvT, and move on. So that Is why I could saw Gopher doing it as scum. Yet, if meta anyway, states otherwise, then That isn't a valid point.
His post came off to me, as a player who was trying to solve the game, and wasn't affected by the norm mafia stuff (aka, TMI/and stuff like that). Clueless might of been a overstatement on my half.
What I meant with clueless(in addition to what I wrote above) was that he was working threw his posts as if he was putting together a puzzle. I been in those shoes, and while I have been able to done so, it is difficult to do say the least.
Might be underestimating him. I have to go thru his filter anyways sometime to try to understand peoples sus. on him (since I appear to be a minority)
Morning Sunshine..
Vote Blarraun. Answer Hado's query.
I hate this so much.
So fucking much.
The post before this was Hablo working thru Blar posts. And suddenly, Sinny, who had Blar as a town read, switched and voted him. Without giving reasoning of her own. PMJ at least HAS a read progression reason to BE on the Blar Wagon. Habo gets a pass, due to claim. Sinny just flip flopped onto him. Knee-jerk thought was that it was a bus, just because it reminds me of Mine bus votes.
It also seems to be Sinny's game honestly, to deprived the thread of reasons. Some posts scatter about that I can honestly read based off of Content. But other then that, it is all tonal, or non-content reasoning.
I like to hear her reasoning. It kinda also doesn't make me want to vote Blar, despite my read on Blar (which I need to actually read his explanation to me) because, I feel like sinny could be mafia either bussing or hoping onto his lynch.
Also, if we kill a mafia member today, as long as there is a doc or if BG can muti save (which I cannot remember if he can), Mafia kill would be 50/50 based of who sends it.
So hopefully, Sinny comes back before I leave for the day.
I was marking you green for your actions, but I was also doubting myself for it given your low post count and low initiative. So I was giving you a placeholder green status at the time of that post, whilst also expressing that in the future I will come to suspect you if you don't act.
It is mostly a problem with afk players that it's almost impossible to read them and lynching them yields random results, but it has to be done. If we leave lurkers be and fight among each other having no strong convictions for it, we would be shooting ourselves in the foot. I'm not sure how active mafia players are, but assuming for a moment they weren't among the lurks, it would be dream come true if all active players were NK'ed and lynched and all they had to do was wait till GM modkills the rest or they slowly do the NK.
If scum are among the inactives then there's no way to interact with them so as a way of using mass destruction they need to be wiped in case they are.
This is partly reasoning behind what I think about you and partly my explanation to everyone why games with afks suck and they need to be dealt with.
Oh you aren't liking what I did with Yellow. I didn't like her contradictions, I was pretty convinced that she was emotionally manipulating me and Gopher and I didn't want to risk accepting her town status based on emotive appeal. As exemplified here:
Well..No.
You called me Green because I was on point. In fact, what I was doing (not being commited, just poking and not voting, etc.) is why i was scum in your eyes.
Even if we look back at the first one:
Shapelog gets a few town points from me, all he does so far is solid questioning and focusing on uncertainties while including every player into the scope.
Gets written over by your words later on:
Your gut feels totally throw me off. I don't agree with you here. Shapelog is very guarded so far and he seems like an ideal candidate for mafia. The fact that he made a few pokes and asked a few questions around doesn't put him in the crossfire at all. He hasn't gone to harass any player yet and it's as if he's feeling satisfied and waiting for the later stage of the game, or he's purposefully contributing just so he isn't accused and what better way to do it than asking and directing attention.
And yes, reads change, which isn't my prob. here. My prob. here, is that your reasoning to TR me at the time seemed to have less for it then, then what you thought I was scum for.
And when I was called scum, or sus. Inactive, none of that was restated for me.
And I understand the need to lynch lurkers, nor do I disagree with you. But me being afk has nothing to much to do with this at the time, since i wasn't too strongly AFK by the time this post from you came out.
To your credit, you did bump me down to sus. inactive, yet, didn't reinstate anything from that post. But you did do.
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