Forum Mafia Game #2

[Jennywocky]

Urakro, did you have some other in-game reason besides cheeseumpuffs being depressed (thus driving him to quit) to be gunning for him/blar? Can't skim 600 posts on phone right now. If you did, I missed it earlier and need my memory refreshed.

 

[Jennywocky]

And yeah, he did leave quickly, so that is a potential blemish -- although I do not see that as a "martyr" per se as he is doing it in a way that someone could potentially still replace him.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Okay, I'll bite. Why should I vote Helvete over Happy? Happy has said so little, while Helvete though definitely suspicious because he won't participate in reading anything, has at least made some comments that are seemingly Town motivated and help to question people and get what they are thinking on the table. If he is mafia, I'd say he's better to keep in the game over Happy at this point.

Helvete feels like the safer bet out of the two. Imo Helvete's questions didn't help much with getting content, i think gopher's questioning was way more helpful.
Atleast happy has been open about who he finds suspicious, and I know the struggle with juggling projects and a time consuming game like this one, so i think his unavailability is not intentional. but he'll most probably check in today before game ends. So, if you want, you can make a post asking him specific questions, because realistically speaking he has a lot to catch up on and may not know where to start with the posting.
Tbh im not getting scummy vibes from happy idk he's playing the same way he played last game(which is not really a good reason not to vote for him). i find Helvete to be a better vote right now, I already explained why.

I'm sleepy and not in the mood to post so maybe I'll have more to add later. Also I have a lot to say about sinny but that will have to wait until tom

 

[Urakro]

Urakro, did you have some other in-game reason besides cheeseumpuffs being depressed (thus driving him to quit) to be gunning for him/blar? Can't skim 600 posts on phone right now. If you did, I missed it earlier and need my memory refreshed.

No, there was no other reasons. That one, big thing with cheesums was the only reason (ever since cheesums wanted a replacement). To confirm this, I tried convincing cheesums to stay, saying this game is going to be a long while, maybe he could stay and be more active later on. Him leaving kind of made him look suspicious all along.

So Blaurran replaced him, and I needed to set some traps. Then everything else unfolded. Just as convincing that I am working for town, Blaurran is becoming more convincing that maybe my theory was somewhat right all along. Blaurran wanting to leave the game might also suggest that "Damn, this is stupid, he didn't even give me a chance to seem town, and he already outed my role. This is fucking cheating, and pathetic"

I'd think that a town Blaurran would meet my flying accusations with "No bud, you're completely wrong about your assumptions. Your biased and fucking nuts".

See, I'm pretending to mind-read, even though I know I can't. I know my accusations are fucked up, and if blaurran only addressed that, he'd probably be clear in my books.

 

[Reluctantly]

@Helvete

You need come into the game and defend yourself. Reveal what your play is a little bit, what you're doing and thinking, who's a suspect to you and why. Suspicion is on you and depending on how you reveal yourself can make a big difference in arguments later on and who we decide to 1st lynch.

If you are Town, your silence is an absolute detriment to this game. It gives mafia fuel to confuse and can mislead Town to vote against you. You need to say something; it will help Town, even in the 1st round. We got 604 posts as I'm writing this to go on. You've got to have something by now. Only Zerk is targetting you; is she right or is mafia taking advantage of your silence and lack of play?

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Urakro hold off ur arguments against blarraun. It's not fair that he's no longer here to defend himself
I PM'ed rook and threatened to spank him if he says no to playing in blarraun/cheese's spot

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Rook accepts

 

[Rook]

zerkalo has cruelly forced me to be here, as I am a coward who balks at the mere mention of violence.

There may be longer periods of time when I am away from the net, but they won't exceed twenty four hours as my visitor has other plans.
I have not been following these games much, so don't expect an experienced player who is greatly proficient at all the intrigue from the get-go.

A note on the screen will deter my brain from sloppily editing.

 

[The Gopher]

Okay the Blaruran thing was strange.

If he's still here just fyi the entire game is kinda fighty and nothing inside is personal. Oh and I don't have beef with RB. (outside the game)

Also don't edit posts! Also I'm terrified of a mafia Blaruran more so than anyone else so in a round about way I think you'll be good at the game.

 

[The Gopher]

Hurm does QT know? Rook needs to know his role before posting otherwise things could get confusing.

 

[The Gopher]

Helvete feels like the safer bet out of the two. Imo Helvete's questions didn't help much with getting content, i think gopher's questioning was way more helpful.
Atleast happy has been open about who he finds suspicious, and I know the struggle with juggling projects and a time consuming game like this one, so i think his unavailability is not intentional. but he'll most probably check in today before game ends. So, if you want, you can make a post asking him specific questions, because realistically speaking he has a lot to catch up on and may not know where to start with the posting.
Tbh im not getting scummy vibes from happy idk he's playing the same way he played last game(which is not really a good reason not to vote for him). i find Helvete to be a better vote right now, I already explained why.

I'm sleepy and not in the mood to post so maybe I'll have more to add later. Also I have a lot to say about sinny but that will have to wait until tom

Good post, disagree but has Helve not been "öpen" at least to the extent happy as about his suspicions?. Basically my questions are still the same though. If he answers those and it looks all town motivated and is honest with why he wasn't here. (Even if the answer is just didn't feel like it and went to bed) I would be much more happy about happy.

 

[Jennywocky]

Hurm does QT know? Rook needs to know his role before posting otherwise things could get confusing.

Good point, lol. What role did you tell him, zerkalo? Or did he talk to blar?

 

[Jennywocky]

...as in that being my sneaky way to ask if you were STOCKING UP THE ROSTER?

 

[Helvete]

hey im back. reading my lasts posts again is kinda painful. im sorry @ everyone and reluctantly in particular for my childish/unhelpful attitude before...i was annoyed at being repeatedly asked to explain claims/criteria i know i never made.

@reluctantly
now that ive seen the two posts you quoted, i can see how the second one can be misleading due to unavailability of context. i had a specific post by helvete in mind when i wrote that, and it was really dumb of me not to quote it above what i wrote. putting what helvete wrote above what i wrote puts everything back into perspective. i think.




just add the word "lurker" after "active" and "inactive", and it fits in with the context of my posting history so far. i have already gone over why lynching bronto is a useless move(see quote below) and bad to town but i'll elaborate in detail now.


basically, the point i was highlighting against helvete is that bronto is the only inactive lurker. everyone else(ignoring hado, rb and gopher here), regardless of whether or not they've produced much content, has shown up at some point, been pressured, started to voice suspicions, and promised to participate more when theyre free. at that point, i thought bronto's getting modkilled as soon as his first 24 hours are over. didnt know he would get another day as warning...but anyway, my point still stands, that helvete thinking town lynching bronto is a good idea is weird. why? because, say we did what helvete asked for, and a majority agreed on a bronto lynch before he gets modkilled: does this say ANYTHING at all about any of the people who voted bronto? nope. is bronto a consistent detriment to town judgement like artsu was? also no, because he's getting modkilled soon.

mainly i want to highlight two things:
-first, i didnt produce a criteria against lynching inactives, i was just against a bronto lynch in particular. this is a particular case. actually no you can say im against lynching inactive lurkers but bronto is the only such player in the game.
-second, again, my main reason to be against lynching a player who will be modkilled anyway is that it says nothing about the voters. it's a convenient vote and saying it helps town is weak justification imo because reasons above.

anyway i already said in the quote that this is a somewhat weak case against helvete, because helvete said what he said early in the game. he didnt retract his statements about bronto though, and other people also kept bringing up bronto as a candidate for pressuring/lynching which i saw as a weak/meaningless vote. so you can say this point was more general and not against helvete in particular

now about RB:
im not a mind reader, so when RB produces a list like that, and doesn't list you, or sinny, or pmj on it, it's natural for me to find it weird.
first of all, happy is playing exactly the way he played last game. now the weird thing is...RB says he reads pmj as green because he's playing like happy played last game XD why is one excused and the other put on a suspicions list then?
second, why is sinny not there?
third, RB didnt state his reasons for not suspecting you until veryyy recently. in my eyes at that point, you were also not contributing much or pushing for anything.
jenny and cheese were not on the list either. you might say because they were were unavailable, but then again why is bronto there then?
also hado said he reads urakro as town. i dont recall rb saying that himself(im writing from memory so i might be wrong), and i have no reason to think of hado+rb as one unit. so...

Zerk, I never asked for a lynch on bronto, you're twisting my words. I asked hado why a lynch on bronto was bad because hado specifically said lyching bronto would be bad. There was a distinction between bronto and the other lurkers made which I wanted to clarify.

(I'll finish reading the rest of the thread now)

 

[Jennywocky]

Anyway 5.5 hours until deadline. Sitting here with the kids at Friendly's ordering dinner and ice cream. And at this rate, I might actually be able to participate when I get home at 1230am or something....

 

[Hadoblado]

I'm still seeing 6 hours 15 minutes.

(Good morning)

 

[Hadoblado]

Rook have you talked to QT yet? It's kinda important you do.

 

[The Gopher]

Yay!

Helvete (oh finish reading the thread first) Who would you lynch and why (if the answer is happy who is your second highest scum read?) and why should we not lynch you?

Also just fyi I'm not impartial to a Cheeseum/blararn lynch if someone else can back up my feelings.

basically Jenny and Cheese called for replacements in what looks like entirely similar ways however Cheese felt suspicious doing so and Jenny didn't. If what should be the same thing happens yet it feels different that's a tell in my mind. Also blaruran seemed to think Uraki was scum and the reasoning didn't really make sense I would expect replacements to have a clearer perspective, also freaking out and leaving sounds like something that would happen to mafia more. Also simply lynching old Cheese helps with finding replacements not being a problem.

Currently four votes on Happy iirc. Does anyone know what it is for Helevte?

 

[Reluctantly]

^ Reminds me of the movies where some kind of spy, undercover cop, or mobster goes out with their family and has to do work at the same time. enjoy the ice cream, lol.

/just checkin in
Glad to see Helvete is here. Would like to see what Happy has to say at this point as well, especially since I've put my vote firmly on him.

 

[Reluctantly]

Oh and what's happening with Bronto?

So many potentials, but we're running out of time.

 

[Sinny91]

I'm skim reading, just finished shift... But I'm semi drunk and stoned. Will be more so mvi g forwards.

Out of Happy and Helvete I'm Happy to stick with Happy, unless Town start objecting.

 

[Reluctantly]

Yay!

Helvete (oh finish reading the thread first) Who would you lynch and why (if the answer is happy who is your second highest scum read?) and why should we not lynch you?

I'd like to hear this as well.

Also just fyi I'm not impartial to a Cheeseum/blararn lynch if someone else can back up my feelings.

Same. The behaviors are strange and they are a huge unknown. Just easier to eliminate the possibility, if no one can agree on anyone to lynch.

 

[redbaron]

rb i would like to see you post more content unrelated to gopher or hado, so i can read you better, before day 1 is over.

Pretty sure I've given my reads for at least 6 people not named Gopher or Hado, but okay.

now about RB:
im not a mind reader, so when RB produces a list like that, and doesn't list you, or sinny, or pmj on it, it's natural for me to find it weird.

Sinny I've just been actively avoiding her all game because if she's mafia I can't read her at this point and I cbf splitting town votes and wasting time arguing with her just because I think some of her reads are dumb on Day 1.

first of all, happy is playing exactly the way he played last game. now the weird thing is...RB says he reads pmj as green because he's playing like happy played last game XD why is one excused and the other put on a suspicions list then?

Pmj's not off my suspicion list. He's just not as high.

Also fwiw, Happy isn't playing the way he played last game - that's the point. Pmj is playing like Happy from Game 1, while Happy is playing not like Happy from Game 1. I'm not just talking about activity, it was the whole, "oh I have a horse-head and a tommy-gun, look @ me I'm mafia! hehe!" shtick that Happy played last game, which Pmj is playing this game. Happy isn't. He's just playing like he's time-poor.

Also, while I think that shtick is really fucking stupid, but it's not scummy.

Again the point being that Happy who was town last game, has changed tactics this game and is not longer game 1 Happy. Pmj is the closest thing to Game 1 Happy - which was Town.

Also as I've already said, my main goal in this game (at least for Day 1) is to actually find Town as opposed to hunting scum. Last game I narrowed down 3 mafia candidates on Day 1 - all of which were town and one of which was an awful lynch (Cheeseums), and another that would have been awful to lynch because she was actually really good later on (Nebulous). If we lynched Ruminator and she flipped green, I think I would have just laughed.

Not to mention, all my other soft-scum reads on Day 1 were also Town. I read Sinny, ESC and Helvete all as potential mafia. In a pool of 12 players last game, I made reads on 50% of the players and didn't hit a single mafia even by chance.

Suffice to say, my ability to actually find mafia Day 1 is undeniably shit, so I have to use different tactics and have different goals. So instead of being on super high-alert and hammering at every single inconsistency, I'm trying to find Town and make sure we don't lynch any of the people I think are Town*

third, RB didnt state his reasons for not suspecting you until veryyy recently. in my eyes at that point, you were also not contributing much or pushing for anything.

Is this addressed to reluctantly? He posted the stuff I said that I read as Town on like Day 1 of Day 1. But he was out of the way, no one was really targeting him so I didn't see a need to defend him. I don't even see what's weird about protesting a wagon that you disagree with?

jenny and cheese were not on the list either. you might say because they were were unavailable, but then again why is bronto there then?

Which list are you even talking about? Do you mean this post?

Read the first fucking line.

"Okay firstly, there's too many lurkers still. Not by post-count, by actual contribution."

I don't consider someone a lurker just because they make a small number of posts, if the posts they're making are informative and useful and/or indicate what their alignment is.

Reluctantly looks town, despite low posts.

also hado said he reads urakro as town. i dont recall rb saying that himself(im writing from memory so i might be wrong), and i have no reason to think of hado+rb as one unit. so...

My Day 1 goal is to lynch mafia, but with the awareness that it's unlikely I'm going to be right about any of my reads Day 1. So as an added caveat, I don't want to lynch useful Town either. The thing is, this just increases the chances of hitting mafia anyway imo, because instead of just going off, "I think these people might be scum", I'm building a case off of a group that I think are scum (will lynch gladly) but also a group that I think are town (I won't lynch Day 1).

Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. But at the very least I'm not going to be lynching the Cheeseums of the game, ridding town of an active member and leaving a town with as many actives as lurkers - because it's impossible to even win at that point.

 

[Hadoblado]

Yeah Jenny forcefulness is part of my meta-persona. Finding scum is about seeing the way people think, and nothing conveys intention like force. I'm moving in such a way that I can be held accountable, which is a kind of transparency.

For instance, if I then pushed on Urakro later on day one, that would be really scummy. Less so for Gopher of RB, but still not great. As town, I know that I will not be doing that, because I have a green read on Urakro. As scum, I might want to keep that option open if a train started on Urakro, because he would be a great mislynch to aim for.

A mafia obscures their intention, by applying little force, allowing them room to move afterwards. But yes, I know I take a hit to my diplomacy score. That's kind of a good thing since I don't want to accrue influence like last time.

 

[redbaron]

ABWOP: the point being that Urakro fits that category of active and not worth Day 1 lynching. If we're gonna make a mistake, I'd rather we make a mistake on someone not even useful as opposed to someone useful.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Hurm does QT know? Rook needs to know his role before posting otherwise things could get confusing.

Yeah I did tell QT to send him cheese's role, idk if he did...anyway I wasted the last 3 days on this game so i wasn't going to let it go to shit because of replacements :P

 

[redbaron]

Who I don't want to lynch Day 1:

Jenny
Hado
Gopher
Zerkalo
Urakro
Reluctantly

Either because they're active and it'd be stupid OR because I think they're high chance of town (which would be stupid). I'm going to avoid voting those people because I think it's just bad process.

Also, special mention to Blarraun who doesn't officially make the list but has been pretty active in his short time in the game.

 

[The Gopher]

Hold up random family guests. Will still be here don't panic but probably need to do the standard social thing and have lunch at some point.

 

[Hadoblado]

RB it's understandable that you take a hit to your confidence with reading mafia day one.

But it's more difficult to read you if you're just hunting for town. Maybe that's why you're not coming across as as 'sharp' as you were last game. There were several points at which, even though you may have ultimately been wrong, you really nailed someone in a townish way. Hunting scum isn't just about actually lynching them, it's about progressing the zeitgeist and proving yourself town. By tunneling someone on day one you set the stage for day two. For instance, I have no intention of lynching gopher day one, but I'm still building a case.

And hunting town is kind of a standard scum tell btw. It's normal to try and confirm town, but it isn't your active duty. If people don't stand out as green to you then don't go to efforts to prove them green unless there's an easy tell (like last game with me figuring out Sinny early on, as I had a solid prediction of what town sinny would look like). If you're still not certain now, just leave it be and hunt scum.

Btw I think we can start contributing properly again now. We've given ample time, and people stepped up to the plate. I need to finish this case off, but I'll be popping in to offer thoughts etc.

@Zerkalo
You asked him to send the role, but has he interacted with you in any way? I mean, has he said anything to either of you? Is cheeseum = Blarraun = Rook now canon or is it just your wishes?

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Oh rook was online at the same time I was in the catbox, that's why I thought of asking him to join. Who do you mean by "has he interacted with you?"? QT? Nope he didn't reply or talk to me at all, this was my doing

 

[The Gopher]

I mean finding scum by process of town elimination isn't a bad thing (it's actually one of my late game town strats), but generally that's more of an in game day 3-4 thing. I agree with Rb's reasoning of who not to lynch completely (but I would like to know why Sinny isn't on that list because while I suspect her she does seem active) however hado is technically right in saying that town hunting is a scum tell since well scum know who town are and at this point when we need to find someone to lynch not helpful. (But again I'll assume you'ré town til eod)

So out of Sinny PMJ Helv Happy, and the three others who I'm forgetting.. Oh wait you're one of them two others. You seem most inclined to lynch happy why's that? I mean I totally get it I basically started the bandwagon but I want to know why everyone is getting on the train.

Also would like hado's thoughts on his lynch target/s today since it's def time to start posting again.

 

[Helvete]

@Helvete

You need come into the game and defend yourself. Reveal what your play is a little bit, what you're doing and thinking, who's a suspect to you and why. Suspicion is on you and depending on how you reveal yourself can make a big difference in arguments later on and who we decide to 1st lynch.

If you are Town, your silence is an absolute detriment to this game. It gives mafia fuel to confuse and can mislead Town to vote against you. You need to say something; it will help Town, even in the 1st round. We got 604 posts as I'm writing this to go on. You've got to have something by now. Only Zerk is targetting you; is she right or is mafia taking advantage of your silence and lack of play?

Urak asked how my job went earlier (can't remember where). It went well but isn't the most socially enabling work and often have to work during inconvenient times.
I was free for hours yesterday and then no one said anything until I was busy again...

Happy is my biggest suspicion as of now, as he offered absolutely nothing except for saying he was commuting with low battery and that he would post later, which he didn't. This was a day ago, still nothing. I know he is busy but this is just avoidant and really needs to be addressed as it just seems like smoke in the mirror atm. I would be happy for either a lynch here or bronto to get rid of lurkers. Zerk already pointed out bronto will probably get mod killed so I would prefer to send a vote on Happy.

Zerks main point on me is trying to lynch bronto out of the inactives, which I just pointed out simply isn't true and is a misunderstanding of what had been conversed between hado and I. I wanted to know hado's reasoning on why a lynch on bronto in particular would be bad. He gave an answer, which I actually disagreed with for the most part, but left anyway as most of it didn't matter that much at the time. Any lurker lynch for me would have been good.

It's good cheeseum found a replacement and here Blarraun comes waltzing in pointing fingers at Urak and I with little more than just fuzzy logic. He pointed out two dynamics and just said out of the two groups we would be the most likely scum, why?
Are we the most convenient candidates out of the two groups? I can see why a scum blarr would jumble the numbers to show why I would look scummy and send a vote my way. The Zerk rolling scum twice has been addressed, it's perfectly plausible and shouldn't be dismissed as unlikely, because it is just as likely. I don't know how alignment would affect jenny's play when you consider her outside game pressures and dislike reaching for those straws.

Why is Urak a likely scum candidate? This I really want explained as others have expressed.

 

[Sinny91]

Well, I can say that everybody's judgement of character ain't great. I'm under suspicion in this round for not being gunz blazin. Between the lessons I learned last game, the lack of tells on day one, and real life shit.... Ya'll don't knowe at all.

I'm cautious and indecisive, but y'all don't seem to acvont for that. Too much into your ideas of me, rather than the reality of me.

Been meaning to say that for a while, anyway.

 

[The Gopher]

"I was free for hours yesterday and then no one said anything until I was busy again.." Well the issue is, did you make a case in those hours? Did you find and pursue scum reads? I admit it was kinda unfortunate I took the spotlight for so long but that doesn't excuse the fact that town should be trying to win the game and it didn't necessarily look like you were involved in the hunting.

 

[Hadoblado]

Rook just posted on my wall, something along the lines of having messages QT, but QT having not responded.

So Rook is not yet part of the game, and should refrain from posting until they have their role. Sorry for being cold, it's just that if Rook posts before receiving their role, this is not alignment indicative and could be confusing. Until QT introduces Rook into the game, Blar is still in it even if he's not posting.

@Blar, I would like it if you stayed in, but it's up to you. The expectation is that you would be overwhelmed. Nobody can land in a game and take in this many posts so quickly. Even if you don't read back retroactively, I think you'd be good for the game.

No offense rook, but the more people change the more town is confused. I'm happy to have you too, just don't want people swapping in/out with such frequency.

 

[The Gopher]

Sinny. Not sure if you were the one I asked this of. But if you weren't voting for Happy who would you be voting for?

 

[The Gopher]

^ Just gonna throw this out there but while Hado and I are still in the game it seems you can pretty much trust anything said on basic town policy (Rook shouldn't post unless confirmed by QT) like that since as town or scum he knows that if he says something stupid I'll pick up on it and vice versa if I was scum.

 

[Hadoblado]

@Gopher
I still haven't got to finishing the case yet as I've been catching up etc., so I'm a little busy.

I agree with redbaron's list. I'd add that I wouldn't be happy with a lynch on Bronto, Blarraun, or Sinny.

This narrows it down to Pmj, Helvete, and Happy for my preferences. I'm pretty sure at least one is scum. The people I'm not lynching is mostly because of healthy levels of activity, tells, or confidence in reading them later.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Hey don't get me wrong, I wanted QT to confirm too before rook starts playing (ive been away for like 6 hours, didn't expect QT not to check in at all during that time). In the meantime, can someone try talking blarraun into coming back? He might not even be reading this thread, so i mean through VMs or PMs

 

[Sinny91]

Helvete in all honesty.

He doesnt get the vote now for two reasons:

1) I read him as Town prior to lurking
2) There's a vote on him already. I thought I'd aid in a lynch *shrugs*

 

[Helvete]

"I was free for hours yesterday and then no one said anything until I was busy again.." Well the issue is, did you make a case in those hours? Did you find and pursue scum reads? I admit it was kinda unfortunate I took the spotlight for so long but that doesn't excuse the fact that town should be trying to win the game and it didn't necessarily look like you were involved in the hunting.

This is a fair point. At the time you were busy defending yourself with the only other actives being hado rb and urak, who were all pretty busy. I don't really have issue with any of you. rb's case on you fell apart. you and hado are keeping your cases until later and I have a town read on urak. I wanted to just follow the events as they transpired as I'm not reading you guys as scum.

 

[The Gopher]

@Gopher
I still haven't got to finishing the case yet as I've been catching up etc., so I'm a little busy.

I agree with redbaron's list. I'd add that I wouldn't be happy with a lynch on Bronto, Blarraun, or Sinny.

This narrows it down to Pmj, Helvete, and Happy for my preferences. I'm pretty sure at least one is scum. The people I'm not lynching is mostly because of healthy levels of activity, tells, or confidence in reading them later.

Dis gonna be one big case. Yeah not Bronto cause modkill is inevitable. Blar probably was too much of a utility case particularly if Rook actually does come into it but ehh.

I keep forgetting about PMJ which is suspicious. I might actually go filter diving this late into it.

Hey don't get me wrong, I wanted QT to confirm too before rook starts playing (ive been away for like 6 hours, didn't expect QT not to check in at all during that time). In the meantime, can someone try talking blarraun into coming back? He might not even be reading this thread, so i mean through VMs or PMs

But ahh don't talk about the game somehow because outside communication isn't allowed. I mean if you implore him to come back in certain ways it could break thread rules so don't get mod killed.

 

[Helvete]

EPWOB out of all you guys who were active in that time I'm finding hado the most suspicious because he is spending all his time building a case on you gopher and not actively hunting himself. I'm not sure what he's building it from exactly, he isn't saying and he's sure been dedicating a lot of time on this since very early on. This is his get out clause from participating from the current game as it stands. He has a lot of time for this, there is still the night period and D2, why is he using all this time and wasting D1 time in finding a better suited target for a lynch?

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

"No offense rook, but the more people change the more town is confused. I'm happy to have you too, just don't want people swapping in/out with such frequency."
do you mean that in the event blarraun doesn't come back, you still don't want a replacement?
Sorry rook for putting you on stand-by like this, it would have been wiser of me to consult others first >. <

 

[Helvete]

Helvete in all honesty.

He doesnt get the vote now for two reasons:

1) I read him as Town prior to lurking
2) There's a vote on him already. I thought I'd aid in a lynch *shrugs*

I'm sorry but I never understand any of your reasoning. A previous read surely gets re evaluated after new, potentially incriminating information comes up. Your initial perception is final. You don't add up and just seem to be holding off from any real reasoning. I've not understood like anything you've said and I find this horrible if you are really town.

I wont vote him because there's already a vote on him?! WHAT?

 

[The Gopher]

You know that's a fair point. Hado you could consider just stopping where you are. Posting the incomplete case in twilight like you said and spending the time hunting people. You can spend all night making the case properly. (oh unless you die true but you should have 2 days worth of case by this point another 5 hours isn't gonna change much.

Personally I think the more change the more perspectives and chain town/scum behavior there is to find.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Also gopher thanks for bringing the vote count back to my attention, who's the fourth vote on happy? I only recall you, Reluctantly and sinny voting

 

[Helvete]

It's actually very clever if he is scum. It comes off as extremely pro town but simultaneously gives him an excuse not to actively participate. It's better than just brushing stuff off on outside commitments.

 

[The Gopher]

Okay I went through PMJ's filter and I can actually see Rb's potential point. Honestly I have no reason to change at all to change from Happy so it's making things hard in that sense.

 

[Helvete]

Zerkalo why shouldn't we lynch happy over me today?