What's the difference between a 'natural' INTP and a 'nurtured' INTP?

[k9b4]

What's the difference between a person who is genetically inclined to think like an INTP and a person who consciously changes his thinking to think like an INTP?

 

[Reality is Optional]

What exactly do you mean, because there are a lot of ways I could interpret this.

First of all, you would have to ask yourself if it is possible to just be born inclined to a certain personality type. However, if you are asking about someone who "inherits" their personality type from their parent/guardian just because they were their primary role model their whole life, then that's similar to someone's thinking changing to be an INTP.

Also, is the second part of your question even possible? While people can change how they perceive the world as they grow, develope, mature and change, the way they react and respond to the world (their MBTI type) seldome, is ever, changes. Unfortunately, most people don't realize that is what the personality type IS, so they think people change throughout they're lives. Don't get me wrong, a lot of people's personality types "change" because they are most likely mistyped one, if not all, of the times they've taken the MBTI.

So basisically, to answer your question exactly the way you asked it, the difference is between someone who is just a complete natural INTP and someone who has consciously changed their thinking style to be an INTP, is that the one who changed themselves to be an INTP would be someone who might not actually be an INTP, rather someone who precieve themselves to be one because that's how they want to be.

Another interpretation I have of your question;

If you meant what's the difference between someone who was a weirdo in their family and the only INTP with no one else remotely like them and someone who became an INTP through the examples in their life (aka, adult role models like your guardian), than this is the answer I would give you;

Someone who is the odd ball INTP in their family would most likely be that weird, quiet kid in the back of the class who doesn't get very good grades, makes the occasional snarky/sarcastic comment, but always has the right answers if the teacher calls on them. This is because that INTP has not been nurtured for their strengths because their guardians most likely terribly misunderstands them. No one created a world for them, so they were left to create their own world for themselves; it is simple a matter of how they responded to their environment and living conditions that shaped them into INTPs. They're quite depressing and annoying individuals.

INTPs that have been more or less groomed to be INTPs wil probably get better grades. They'll most likely be a little more comfortable with themselves, and a little more well-rounded and likable. This is because their stengths HAVE been nutured and encpuraged because their guardians were a little more similar to them, and therefore are more relatable.

However, both have the deep-thinking philosophical side that makes them INTPs.

 

[k9b4]

What exactly do you mean, because there are a lot of ways I could interpret this.

First of all, you would have to ask yourself if it is possible to just be born inclined to a certain personality type. However, if you are asking about someone who "inherits" their personality type from their parent/guardian just because they were their primary role model their whole life, then that's similar to someone's thinking changing to be an INTP.

Also, is the second part of your question even possible? While people can change how they perceive the world as they grow, develope, mature and change, the way they react and respond to the world (their MBTI type) seldome, is ever, changes. Unfortunately, most people don't realize that is what the personality type IS, so they think people change throughout they're lives. Don't get me wrong, a lot of people's personality types "change" because they are most likely mistyped one, if not all, of the times they've taken the MBTI.

So basisically, to answer your question exactly the way you asked it, the difference is between someone who is just a complete natural INTP and someone who has consciously changed their thinking style to be an INTP, is that the one who changed themselves to be an INTP would be someone who might not actually be an INTP, rather someone who precieve themselves to be one because that's how they want to be.

Another interpretation I have of your question;

If you meant what's the difference between someone who was a weirdo in their family and the only INTP with no one else remotely like them and someone who became an INTP through the examples in their life (aka, adult role models like your guardian), than this is the answer I would give you;

Someone who is the odd ball INTP in their family would most likely be that weird, quiet kid in the back of the class who doesn't get very good grades, makes the occasional snarky/sarcastic comment, but always has the right answers if the teacher calls on them. This is because that INTP has not been nurtured for their strengths because their guardians most likely terribly misunderstands them. No one created a world for them, so they were left to create their own world for themselves; it is simple a matter of how they responded to their environment and living conditions that shaped them into INTPs. They're quite depressing and annoying individuals.

INTPs that have been more or less groomed to be INTPs wil probably get better grades. They'll most likely be a little more comfortable with themselves, and a little more well-rounded and likable. This is because their stengths HAVE been nutured and encpuraged because their guardians were a little more similar to them, and therefore are more relatable.

However, both have the deep-thinking philosophical side that makes them INTPs.

Okay then, let me restate my question:

What is the difference between an INTP and a non-INTP who consciously puts effort into becoming like an INTP? How can you tell them apart?

 

[StevenM]

You would need a sample of true INTP's, and a group of INTP wannabe's, and do some kind of research and study.

 

[k9b4]

You would need a sample of true INTP's, and a group of INTP wannabe's, and do some kind of research and study.

You don't need data to speculate. I'm not asking for facts backed up by data. If I wanted facts backed up by data I wouldn't be on an MBTI forum in the first place.

 

[Reluctantly]

Probably someone that adheres to stereotypical behavior and has to put extra meta-cognitive thought into being something they are not naturally inclined towards. They have to try to be INTP, rather than just being themself.

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[k9b4]

Probably someone that adheres to stereotypical behavior and has to put extra meta-cognitive thought into being something they are not naturally inclined towards. They have to try to be INTP, rather than just being themself.

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Do I strike you as someone who does this?

 

[Black Rose]

i don't see why you take it personally if its an impersonal question

 

[k9b4]

i don't see why you take it personally if its an impersonal question

Wtf

 

[Black Rose]

i do not think reluctantly was referring to you as you were not asking about yourself?

 

[k9b4]

i do not think reluctantly was referring to you as you were not asking about yourself?

Yeah I don't think he was either. I am just wondering for myself.

 

[Brontosaurie]

i don't think you're striking anyone as anything with your low amount of activity

here's a statement which you are of course free to disagree with: no, you're actually ESTJ

 

[The Gopher]

Yeah that statement could be read with emotion or not.

The person trying to be an INTP would probably think slower than if he was an INTP although possibly faster than normal INTP's. He would also likely have an advantage in other areas.

In other words if someone is an above average swimmer he might say he is primarily a swimmer but if he is an incredible runner as well it might indicate he is a spy and not to be trusted. So I would check under the bathroom sink if your name starts with K just incase. Filler words might be spoken to encourage lazy TL;DR spy's who might be monitoring this conversation but would pay extra attention to pm's thus better to gamble with open conversation.

 

[k9b4]

i don't think you're striking anyone as anything with your low amount of activity

here's a statement which you are of course free to disagree with: no, you're actually ESTJ

Do you actually think I'm ESTJ or are you just making shit up to prove a point?

 

[Architect]

What do you think the answer is? A similar question is "what is the difference between a woman, and a man who learns to act like a woman?"

Type is built into our psyche according to Jung, other practitioners and my observations. Type can be mirrored or emulated in the neocortex, as it has the ability the learn. The cortex can't learn, so obviously Type is built into its structure.

 

[crippli]

What do you think the answer is? A similar question is "what is the difference between a woman, and a man who learns to act like a woman?"

Type is built into our psyche according to Jung, other practitioners and my observations. Type can be mirrored or emulated in the neocortex, as it has the ability the learn. The cortex can't learn, so obviously Type is built into its structure.

A "born" and a "made" INTP. A born and a made woman. Born and made beauty. Born and made intelligence.

Yes, I can see that there is a difference, and that this may impact the person in question and how they will navigate their world.

 

[Reluctantly]

Wtf

Heh, I read all your posts on the forum. You strike me as an extroverted NT, probably Te+Ni. I'm saying this mainly because you seem to lack a focus on the subjective evaluations and cogitations this forum is littered with; for example, your motivations are somewhat obvious, but you'd rather not address them, you seem to be pretty keen on clear definitions as a focal point for discussion, and you don't seem to take generalities all that seriously. But you do seem to find conceptual discussion intriguing and don't seem to mind playing with the concepts relating to MBTI.

That said, you don't appear to be trying to be anything other than yourself. I'd expect more neurotic behavior that colors the frustration of having a fuzzy self-identity from someone like that.

It's strange that I've said all this, while wondering why you'd care what I thought anyway. Why do you care anyway? Or maybe that's your N side.

 

[Architect]

A "born" and a "made" INTP.

If you use that sense then of course the "made" INTP is a fake, just as is a made any type. A true type can't be faked.

Of course people can mimic or channel different characteristics in their neocortex all the time, and "take on" functions that aren't natively theirs, but it doesn't last. And having Feelings, or Sensations is different from having a Feeling or Sensate motivation (function)

 

[broomish0]

When you read the description of an INTP did you identify with it and then realize that on top of identifying with it you were also happy with the result and became immediately suspicious of weather it was correct or you were acting that way because you liked the idea of it?

Edit: looking at the title of another of your threads (What are feelers good at) Im almost certain you are aving a similar experience to myself and I can say with confidence: Calm down, it was okay to like it this time it was correct you are intp

Edit#2: A simpler way of seeing this, that I have only just realized myself, would of been to ask yourself how would of it of been possible to act this way because you liked the idea of being an INTP before you new it existed. You cant right? So then why did you identify with what you read so thoroughly even if not completely. Also I am making alot of assumptions here that I would not normally do, I would make them but I would certainly not make them public until I was certain or I could express it as an opinion. I have only done this because if I am right and you are experiencing what I was then a little help with this would, well, it would help :P so everyone else be gentle if im wrong if you can find it in your hearts

 

[k9b4]

Pretty sure I'm ENTP who wants to be an INTP.

 

[Teax]

assuming MBTI is true (or true enough), your cognitive preferences once established, are there to stay. You cannot turn a Ti into a Te.

but here is a valid point:
ENTP vs INTP. all the congnitive functions are the same. all that's different is the priority of use. could it be possible to train yourself to use Ti primarily, if your default mode was Ne?

if not, it would mean that using any function as dominant makes irreversible changes to the brain that go beyond simple introversion/extraversion preferences, something that locks the priority inplace... what could THAT be..

 

[k9b4]

assuming MBTI is true (or true enough), your cognitive preferences once established, are there to stay. You cannot turn a Ti into a Te.

but here is a valid point:
ENTP vs INTP. all the congnitive functions are the same. all that's different is the priority of use. could it be possible to train yourself to use Ti primarily, if your default mode was Ne?

if not, it would mean that using any function as dominant makes irreversible changes to the brain that go beyond simple introversion/extraversion preferences, something that locks the priority inplace... what could THAT be..

You can use any functions you want, and develop yourself towards any type you want. However I believe your genetics will constantly pull you towards thinking in a certain way (which is not necessarily aligned with MBTI type). You can fight your genetics, but IMO it is better to 'be yourself' because that allows for optimal effort efficiency (same effort yields greater skill when that effort is applied towards 'being yourself').

 

[Teax]

are you sure that genetics(or whatever) will force a priority

look at the similarities:
INTP Ti-Ne-Si-Fe
ENTP Ne-Ti-Fe-Si

its the same brain. just sliiightly different priority of usage

 

[k9b4]

are you sure that genetics(or whatever) will force a priority

look at the similarities:
INTP Ti-Ne-Si-Fe
ENTP Ne-Ti-Fe-Si

its the same brain. just sliiightly different priority of usage

I am 100% sure that genetics plays some kind of role in the development of personality. I don't know exactly what that role is so my previous post was speculation only.

I don't understand the extroverted/introverted orientation of functions at all, so I never think about that when I'm thinking about personality.