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ENFJ and sociopathy

Helvete

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I know a guy who could be ENFJ or a sociopath or both (or neither).

Where the confusion comes in is that to type him through MBTI, he fits most easily to ENFJ. He also has a few distinctive sociopathic traits but is his ENFJ 'personality' just a façade due to his sociopathic tendencies or is there at least some realism to this person, or maybe I'm way off.

I'v known this person for quite some time and am going to describe what he's like quite simply and will elaborate on anything if asked.

He's clearly very extroverted; always engaging with people trying to make jokes and makes very good first impressions. He's a kinda drama queen person, always doing different impressions and a talented singer. He was going to be an actor once but then life happens, as it does.
He's a womaniser and have seen him having many different girlfriends.

He also has a very angry impulsive side where he'll easily try to manipulate and guilt trip people into doing what he wants, he's never wrong and I'v heard him lie about all sorts to make him look in the right or playing the victim card or whatever.
Going with this further he's highly competitive and can't take any sort of loss.
Losing makes him very angry very quickly. One of the first times I met him was at a poker game, I beat him in a hand and he exploded in anger throwing both his chips at me whilst shouting abuse at me.
Another is a good deal of time later, we played table football against each other. neither of us really play this game but I won, I could see him visibly becoming more and more angry as I scored more and more. Apparently I won due to luck, and that I had absolutely no skill; where his complete lack of skill and my luck beat him to a very weighted score 9/1.

He's highly opinionated and will form opinions very quickly and will pass on blame extremely fast. Basic example, he's driving us back from work where a new guy had joined the workplace and he says "that guys weird isn't he? He doesn't talk much and seems very work focused, he needs to lighten up". To which I replied, "that doesn't make him weird, he's just new and probably doesn't feel comfortable enough to open up much yet"

He's very clever and will have very in depth conversations about anything. He's one of the most interesting people I know in that respect. We got some very weird looks the other day as barstaff walked into the kitchen to find us chatting about the physics of getting air from this hump backed bridge we drive over to get to work.

With the whole lack of guilt and empathy thing sociopaths have he does lack here, although I recall him saying many times that he's the opposite and being convincing about it, he's an extremely confident liar. I still can't work out his lies except when what he says contradicts what I know, which results in him not lying to me much (as far as I'm aware)
 

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Hitler; either ENFJ or an INFJ, great potential for emotional manipulation, quick to anger, competitive and condescending, intellectual manipulation, lying and populism, even on the level of controlling the masses and intelligent individuals in his power clique.

Obviously he might be surpressing his remorse and critique, or maybe he is conscious of his shortcomings and projects the hatred outwards to ease the self-critical tension.

He might be misanthropic or misogynic, he might be sociopathic. He has a stable work life but he also has many behaviours that would point towards being antisocial.

It would be ideal if you could find whether he blames himself or not, maybe he cries when he is left alone, etc. It is rather not something he would show to others.

Also the thing is whether he is so convincing to others, or maybe he convinces himself too.
 

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Hitler; either ENFJ or an INFJ, great potential for emotional manipulation, quick to anger, competitive and condescending, intellectual manipulation, lying and populism, even on the level of controlling the masses and intelligent individuals in his power clique.

Obviously he might be surpressing his remorse and critique, or maybe he is conscious of his shortcomings and projects the hatred outwards to ease the self-critical tension.

He might be misanthropic or misogynic, he might be sociopathic. He has a stable work life but he also has many behaviours that would point towards being antisocial.

It would be ideal if you could find whether he blames himself or not, maybe he cries when he is left alone, etc. It is rather not something he would show to others.

I know sociopaths often lie and cheat to get jobs they're not capable of holding onto. I know someone else who I'm 100% certain is a sociopath and have seen all these traits in action.

As for his work history I'm actually not so sure to. We worked at a pub which we both left as we didn't get paid. He instantly got another job where then there were staff clashes and he was forced out again. How much of it was his fault I'm not sure but it definitely wasn't him alone. It left him homeless, sofa surfing which is something he would never choose given the choice; he's far too intelligent to put himself there.
Now we work together in a pub/restaurant by a company that owns 3 other pubs, each turning over a million a year. The one we're in has just opened and show promise for a very stable job, owned by very nice people. So only time will tell how stable he'll be in the job. But as I said, he doesn't have much reason to fuck it up, he's financially very unstable at the moment.

As for blaming himself, I'd have to spy on him to find that out.
 

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As for blaming himself, I'd have to spy on him to find that out.
Stalking a sociopath, this is turning out to be a story potential. I might employ my creativity a bit.

How do you feel about being surrounded by sociopaths? Do you hate people because they are antisocial? Do you have outbursts of anger, maybe? :p
*forgive my playfulness, if you find it inapplicable here*
 

Helvete

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Stalking a sociopath, this is turning out to be a story potential. I might employ my creativity a bit.

How do you feel about being surrounded by sociopaths? Do you hate people because they are antisocial? Do you have outbursts of anger, maybe? :p
*forgive my playfulness, if you find it inapplicable here*

This is starting to tangent. Tangents happen to be one of my bestest friends.;)

There's already the double bluff of not fully knowing if everyone around you are sociopaths or not, their goal is to blend in with everyone else.
So in answer; if I was surrounded by sociopaths then they have already failed, unless I didn't know and at that point my feelings would be indifferent.

I don't hate anyone. I crave to understand people and their workings. If I meet someone I suspect to be a sociopath then there's no reason to hate them; it's not their fault and they may not even know. It just gives me the responsibility to treat them accordingly.

I rarely get angry, but when I do it's either completely hidden anger or a loud but short outburst. I usually remove my self from the situation at that point, it's also situation dependent as to the type of anger I'll feel.
 
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