Your posting experience

[Coolydudey]

I'm quickly going to sum up my posting experience (not only with this user), just so others can say "no way, that always happens to me" or to see how my experience differs to others'.

Option 1:you post a thread, and either everybody ignores you, or if you get replies either they're adding nothing or they disagree with you to such an extent that you end up not changing your mind and thinking "arggh I hate these people, they can't get what I'm trying to say".

Option 2:you post early on in the makings of a big thread, thinking that what you're going to say is definitely going to end the discussion, people notice your post and make comments on it, but the scenario from option 1 happens again.

Option 3:you post a long way down a big thread, thinking that what you're going to say should end the discussion, but nobody even notices your post.

Option 4:you are the last poster in a thread..

There are a few exceptions, and maybe I am being a bit negative? Anyway, there is my general experience on this forum...

 

[Moocow]

Option 4 actually happens the most for me even though I never intend the other 3 options. Basically, forums are inevitably unsatisfying.

 

[SpaceYeti]

You're not smart enough to end a thread or change peoples' minds.

 

[NinjaSurfer]

You're not smart enough to end a thread or change peoples' minds.

he baited you to derail the thread
as the thread title asks for "your" posting experience
not an analysis of "his" posting experience.

 

[SpaceYeti]

That is my posting experience, it simply also applies to others.

 

[NinjaSurfer]

That is my posting experience, it simply also applies to others.

oh I get it. It was a general "you" makes sense now.

I would like to propose the theory that it's not intelligence that changes minds, it's persistence ==> for example, repeating a 'wrong' message over and over again has a more effective brainwashing effect than the 'right' message one time;

so some retard who spams the same message over and over again will eventually wear everyone out and get the last word;

I think it is the intelligent ones who say their peace and are done with it...

eh?

 

[NinjaSurfer]

oh and just another thought...

the original post assumes that we necessarily are all in it for the same intention/motive (to win) ==> maybe some people just like mingling and socializing (if we can call this socializing) with others...

and there's also the take: everyone's truth is personal and subjective, and the best understanding of any topic is to gain a wide variety of opinions, as it may even open your eyes to paths you may not have considered at the outset, not necessarily 'changing' your opinion but just broadening your perspective.

p.s. I find it kind of fun to figure out that there exist others that don't believe the same way that I do, etc.

 

[Agent Intellect]

Here's some general observations of mine:

1. Certain people get more responses than other people, even if what they have to say isn't intelligent or relevant. This is generally because of #2.

2. People are much more likely to respond if you make controversial, emotional, or insulting statements (the same reason Fox News gets the highest ratings of the American news channels) than if you make dry yet intelligent, relevant, insightful, well reasoned posts.

3. Shorter posts are more likely to be read and therefore responded to, regardless of the content.

4. In a long thread, most people will read the OP, maybe the first few responses, then skip to the last few responses. If your post falls in the middle, it doesn't matter if it was the most well thought out and insightful response in the entire thread, it's become obsolete to the conversation (which has either been badly derailed or come full circle again).

5. If a thread is derailed and you pop in on the new conversation by responding to the OP, you are less likely to be responded to.

6. When people make lists of things they enjoy (top 5 favorite books or movies or whatever) or post songs they are listening to, they don't really care about the lists of things the responders make, they just want you to read/listen to and possibly comment on their post.

7. If you have an avatar you are more likely to gain renown (or infamy). More people probably know you by your avatar than by your name.

8. Every extra page/tab that is required of someone (in the case of links) will bring the number of people who keep clicking down by ~75%. For instance, a link to a video will get fewer views than an embedded video, even if the linked one is interesting and insightful while the embedded one is on the level of Youtube poop. If you link to an article that contains a link to a great video, the number of people who watch the video will be very miniscule.

9. The longer a debate goes on, both parties become less interested in being right and the more they become interested in their opponent being wrong.

 

[nanook]

my posting experience is this:

i open the message board and my chances of finding a thread that inspires or challenges me to think (within my interests) and write out my resulting thoughts is at least 50%, which means that my posting experience is thoroughly satisfying. but then i open the message board again, around 100 times a day, and needless to say, the chances of finding a challenge becomes smaller. but usually someone saves me from dying by boredom, by opening a new thread. i just have to hang in there for several hours. in the worst case, when i have reached a boredom-delirium, i will just hallucinate something interesting into a thread that would otherwise be boring to me, and i will write a response to that hallucination, which seems off topic to everyone else. i apologize, if i have done this to a thread of yours, but i hope it makes you happy, that you have made my day.

also being ignored by you guys is exceedingly calming to my social anxiety. i didn't think i would survive so long, amongst thinking types. on INTJforum i was knocked out after ~ 10 posts (by a guy who has "INFJ" in his profile, in teamwork with what felt like ENTP when it hit me)

 

[Guess]

AI has some points.

One single comment to make 10.

10. The last posts in each page tend to be utterly ignored.

 

[NinjaSurfer]

sites with the "thanks" feature annoy me
then you have a whole subculture of people competing for "thanks"
THANKS INTPFORUM for not enabling this FEATURE!
I think the "thanks" button enables shitty content (which is somewhat counter-intuitive)

 

[Da Blob]

Of course,
My take on posting may be a bit different than most. As a introvert and a social recluse, I have never really hoped to get much in the way of positive feedback from a hostile world. Perhaps, the worst derivative of that is that I am not very good at providing positive feedback, myself. I consider me spending a half hour or more of my precious time basically composing a message that calls someone an idiot, as a form of high praise for me. It is the time spent, not the prose written that is the compliment.

I wonder if there is some 'quick and dirty' method for providing positive feedback to any one who spends the time to post on a thread? The LIKE or LIKE/DisLIKE features of facebook and youtube are disgustingly efficient psychological motivators. Perhaps there is a way to use our Smilies, in the place of such a mind-numbing type of feedback?

Anyway, back to the OP, I write for myself and not any Other audience. I have so much shit in my head, that it is quite relieving to be able to deposit orderly portions of it in the external world... It is nice when Others buzz around that which I have posted, but I don't really expect to make that much of a stink...

 

[NinjaSurfer]

Of course,
My take on posting may be a bit different than most. As a introvert and a social recluse, I have never really hoped to get much in the way of positive feedback from a hostile world. Perhaps, the worst derivative of that is that I am not very good at providing positive feedback, myself. I consider me spending a half hour or more of my precious time basically composing a message that calls someone an idiot, as a form of high praise for me. It is the time spent, not the prose written that is the compliment.

I wonder if there is some 'quick and dirty' method for providing positive feedback to any one who spends the time to post on a thread? The LIKE or LIKE/DisLIKE features of facebook and youtube are disgustingly efficient psychological motivators. Perhaps there is a way to use our Smilies, in the place of such a mind-numbing type of feedback?

Anyway, back to the OP, I write for myself and not any Other audience. I have so much shit in my head, that it is quite relieving to be able to deposit orderly portions of it in the external world... It is nice when Others buzz around that which I have posted, but I don't really expect to make that much of a stink...

that's a good way to put it; I usually just say that I post for therapeutic anxiety relief effects lol;

but doesn't it feel good to get quoted? it almost fulfills the human desire to have children, which I have no desire to have, but I do understand somewhat the vain desire to make identical copies of myself

 

[GYX_Kid]

Well I originally joined this site because of having lots of confusion and self-doubt. I made a lot of "mentally ill" or dumb, bad posts in my opinion now. Though they usually got replies because there was maybe thought put into them

intpforum = more likely to create dialogue

intpcentral = more topics to choose from, especially addressing intricacies of MBTI/INTP

 

[nanook]

that's a good way to put it; I usually just say that I post for therapeutic anxiety relief effects lol;

but doesn't it feel good to get quoted? it almost fulfills the human desire to have children, which I have no desire to have, but I do understand somewhat the vain desire to make identical copies of myself

that's a good way to put it; I usually just say that I post for therapeutic anxiety relief effects lol;

but doesn't it feel good to get quoted? it almost fulfills the human desire to have children, which I have no desire to have, but I do understand somewhat the vain desire to make identical copies of myself

that's a good way to put it; I usually just say that I post for therapeutic anxiety relief effects lol;

but doesn't it feel good to get quoted? it almost fulfills the human desire to have children, which I have no desire to have, but I do understand somewhat the vain desire to make identical copies of myself

three little turtles for my virtual garden

 

[Solitaire U.]

I usually post simply because I like the sound of my fingers hitting the keyboard. Any response or lack thereof is totally incidental. That's probably like, option 652...posting for pure momentary self-gratification with zero expectation of any response.

Probably a learned behavior (INTPC)...

 

[NinjaSurfer]

Well I originally joined this site because of having lots of confusion and self-doubt. I made a lot of "mentally ill" or dumb, bad posts in my opinion now. Though they usually got replies because there was maybe thought put into them

intpforum = more likely to create dialogue

intpcentral = more topics to choose from, especially addressing intricacies of MBTI/INTP

I don't like the look 'n feel of the site
reminds me of a depression forum.

 

[Coolydudey]

Wow, that was an interesting and slow derailment...

Still, I notice an underlying tendency of having one's post ignored...

 

[NinjaSurfer]

Wow, that was an interesting and slow derailment...

Still, I notice an underlying tendency of having one's post ignored...

given the amount of lurkers here,
I think you are paid a lot more attention than you might assume
I think INTPs are shy by nature, and most of them carry that behavior into internet forums
It really shouldn't be that way-- because like an RPG game, you can reinvent yourself and be whoever you wanna be online and nobody can see or tell you otherwise

 

[Coolydudey]

given the amount of lurkers here,
I think you are paid a lot more attention than you might assume
I think INTPs are shy by nature, and most of them carry that behavior into internet forums
It really shouldn't be that way-- because like an RPG game, you can reinvent yourself and be whoever you wanna be online and nobody can see or tell you otherwise

Woot, RPG characters!

 

[GYX_Kid]

given the amount of lurkers here,
I think you are paid a lot more attention than you might assume
I think INTPs are shy by nature, and most of them carry that behavior into internet forums
It really shouldn't be that way-- because like an RPG game, you can reinvent yourself and be whoever you wanna be online and nobody can see or tell you otherwise

It's more specific than just shyness, I might make a thread about that soon

INTPs are (with the potential to be) like Megaman who goes and fights all the other types and learns their powers. Except instead of necessarily fighting, just any experience that brings back memories and analysis of the person and all the details of how they function.

 

[Minuend]

Eh. I don't really pay much attention to how often people address me.

Often, there is just nothing more to say. My posts aren't the important bits, the topic is.

I don't consider what I say important. Definitively not enough to end arguments on a forum filled with intelligent beings o_O

 

[NinjaSurfer]

It's more specific than just shyness, I might make a thread about that soon

INTPs are (with the potential to be) like Megaman who goes and fights all the other types and learns their powers. Except instead of necessarily fighting, just any experience that brings back memories and analysis of the person and all the details of how they function.

yes-- I am a bit intrigued by this statement. I had never thought to explore the sub-types of shyness, or that this might not be the best word to describe the lack of active participation. It was just the best word I currently have in my vocabulary that can encapsulate the behavior in one word.

looking forward to your analysis!

 

[NinjaSurfer]

Eh. I don't really pay much attention to how often people address me.

Often, there is just nothing more to say. My posts aren't the important bits, the topic is.

I don't consider what I say important. Definitively not enough to end arguments on a forum filled with intelligent beings o_O

maybe you are the only one who is not delusional then!

 

[Minuend]

Well, considering

(General) you.

Thinking one's opinion important seem a bit of.... an exaggeration.

 

[Coolydudey]

Eh. I don't really pay much attention to how often people address me.

Often, there is just nothing more to say. My posts aren't the important bits, the topic is.

I don't consider what I say important. Definitively not enough to end arguments on a forum filled with intelligent beings o_O

True, somebody always finds a flaw in your statements, but when you write a post that encompasses everything anyone has said, adds more they overlooked, does so in a reasonably brief manner (10-15 lines), and is completely logical, it is so f****** annoying when no-one reads it...

 

[Minuend]

True, somebody always finds a flaw in your statements, but when you write a post that encompasses everything anyone has said, adds more they overlooked, does so in a reasonably brief manner (10-15 lines), and is completely logical, it is so f****** annoying when no-one reads it...

Hehe, such confidence

 

[Agent Intellect]

Probably <1% of posts/responses say something original, unique, witty, insightful, and/or thread stopping. Problem is, everyone thinks that >50% of their posts fall into that category.

 

[Coolydudey]

Probably <1% of posts/responses say something original, unique, witty, insightful, and/or thread stopping. Problem is, everyone thinks that >50% of their posts fall into that category.

I never debated what is. I only debated what we think before posting, and how we feel after posting (okay I debated what is a little bit)

 

[Coolydudey]

Let me bring you one of my posts on the evolution thread. Not a single person looked at it. Yet it disproves the final point of both sides (for and against evolution).




I'd like to add my four cents here.

Cent one:evolution is extremely improbable. So is our creation by some other being. However, the fact that we are here (given that we must accept one of the two) means that if you rule out one, you automatically accept the other, despite the fact that it's very unlikely.

Cent two:an in between scenario is possible, such as some alien came and left bacteria or some primitive life form (or even a slightly advanced one) and things evolved from there. Anyone who has seen the film Prometheus will know exactly what I mean.

Cent three:look at evolutionary algorithms. They work extremely well, adapting new features and perfecting old ones. The best example is a software called "eureqa" (yes that's spelled right) from Cornell university, that's used to find mathematical formulae given data sets. It actually found the full and exact formula for a double pendulum (quite a difficult one).
Fair enough, animals are a step up in complexity, but the same rules apply.

Cent four:it is idiotic (that should be with capitals and bold) to refute small scale evolution, such as the evolution of humans, or if you want less debatable ones, the evolution on the part of microorganisms of resistance to drugs and the evolution of a new species of mosquito in the London underground (look it up). It is a logical next step to say that evolution could have started out from much simpler life forms, although this doesn't prove things just happened and life started (see cent two).

 

[Agent Intellect]

Let me bring you one of my posts on the evolution thread. Not a single person looked at it. Yet it disproves the final point of both sides (for and against evolution).

Your post from the evolution thread did not disprove either side, nor did it say anything particularly insightful.

I'm not trying to be an asshole, nor am I doubting that you are just as capable as me or anyone else of making a post that falls into that <1% but there really isn't another way to put it: your post from the evolution thread is a perfect example of what I was talking about in my previous response.

 

[Words]

I care more about expressing my opinions than being replied to. This is also related to my frequent usage of "I" and of other 1st person pronouns. Yup, when you use several "I's" and "my's", you're less likely to be paid attention towards. People prefer ideas that are either non-personalized, which could be signifying a preference for somewhat greater abstraction("I" is usually followed by the mundane), or those with "we" or "you" instead so they can feel a sense of personal relevancy. Also, when you do "street-talk" or i dunno...whatever common english is out there, they'll get what your saying and will probably respond more. I mean, for example, I can barely understand what snafu is saying sometimes.

Another experience are the misunderstandings, hah!

Yo, and I just want to say... I share the sentiment of whoevers of making the place more intellectual.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Well, considering

(General) you.

Thinking one's opinion important seem a bit of.... an exaggeration.

I wanted to reply to this post, and as I typed out my message("Size doesn't matter" with a wink) I realized I was making a similar response as before on this forum.

So I did a search and it turns out your were the same person from before. Click me Disregard the previous or subsequent posts, I don't know what I was smoking :$.

Basically I meant to say that there is more to life than size, that size shouldn't be the sole determining factor of importance.

 

[Coolydudey]

Your post from the evolution thread did not disprove either side, nor did it say anything particularly insightful.

I'm not trying to be an asshole, nor am I doubting that you are just as capable as me or anyone else of making a post that falls into that <1% but there really isn't another way to put it: your post from the evolution thread is a perfect example of what I was talking about in my previous response.

Certainly disproves abiogenesis as a certainty, which was something of an unsaid conclusion, and creationism to a certain extent (still leaves a gap for a christian god though).

 

[Coolydudey]

Still, I don't want to get into this, let's just get back to posting experience.

 

[Jennywocky]

@Agent Intellect: great opening post in this thread.

 

[NinjaSurfer]

@Agent Intellect: great opening post in this thread.

Great post #36 @Jennywocky

 

[redbaron]

True, somebody always finds a flaw in your statements, but when you write a post that encompasses everything anyone has said, adds more they overlooked, does so in a reasonably brief manner (10-15 lines), and is completely logical, it is so f****** annoying when no-one reads it...

It is more to do with the fact that when you make a completely logical and reasonable post, it's much harder to refute, so it gets less replies. Think about it - if you make a completely logical post that someone agrees entirely with, there's not a lot of point in responding to it.

It's more common to respond to a contradiction in opinion than a similarity.

If you make an error in your wording or expression of your opinion and supporting evidence, it's easy to fallaciously attribute it to meaning the evidence and opinions presented are also wrong.

I think you underestimate how many people read and agree with logical arguments that are posted, but also overestimate how often you make those posts. I would agree with Agent Intellect on that. Not to be a jerk or anything.

 

[Jennywocky]

It is more to do with the fact that when you make a completely logical and reasonable post, it's much harder to refute, so it gets less replies. Think about it - if you make a completely logical post that someone agrees entirely with, there's not a lot of point in responding to it.

It's more common to respond to a contradiction in opinion than a similarity.

If you make an error in your wording or expression of your opinion and supporting evidence, it's easy to fallaciously attribute it to meaning the evidence and opinions presented are also wrong.

I think you underestimate how many people read and agree with logical arguments that are posted, but also overestimate how often you make those posts. I would agree with Agent Intellect on that. Not to be a jerk or anything.

All that.

 

[Coolydudey]

All that.

You did the exact opposite of what he just said

 

[Jennywocky]

You did the exact opposite of what he just said

Well, my other options were to (1) repeat everything he just said or (2) not respond to you at all, even though you desired feedback. Take your pick.

 

[SpaceYeti]

All that.

Plus a bag of chips.

 

[Jennywocky]

Plus a bag of chips.

Kettle-cooked, if possible. None of that healthy sunchip crap.

 

[Coolydudey]

Well, my other options were to (1) repeat everything he just said or (2) not respond to you at all, even though you desired feedback. Take your pick.

Who said I desired feedback? All I said was that you were in contradiction of the point of the guy you quoted.

 

[Jennywocky]

Who said I desired feedback? All I said was that you were in contradiction of the point of the guy you quoted.

The quoted points are not exclusive points, they're discussing probabilities rather than certainties. So anything I said is not a hard contradiction.

"It is more to do....there's not a lot of point..."

"It's more common..."

"... it's easy to fallaciously attribute..."

"I think you ..."

You're bored, aren't you? But you're kind of proving his point in the meanwhile, in terms of what you're deciding is worth responding to. I certainly didn't expect a response, let alone a prolonged one, to a comment of three words that I made; my post was more of a "vote" to give you some tallies, than anything worth discussing... yet here we are.

 

[redbaron]

Kettle-cooked, if possible. None of that healthy sunchip crap.

Definitely this.

I think Cooly's head might explode if we keep this up!

 

[Coolydudey]

I'm only slightly bored, and I know his post was discussing probabilities, but it just seemed silly to quote a post that says you generally don't post in agreement and agree with it. It's quite funny really.

 

[Coolydudey]

Definitely this.

I think Cooly's head might explode if we keep this up!

Don't worry, I know how to keep my cool...

 

[Jennywocky]

I'm only slightly bored, and I know his post was discussing probabilities, but it just seemed silly to quote a post that says you generally don't post in agreement and agree with it. It's quite funny really.

It was kind of amusing in that light -- until you beat it to death with a bag of stale sunchips.

Don't worry, I know how to keep my cool...

It's never funny until someone's head blows up.

...There, now we're shown how completely inane posts can attract more attention than logical expositions on the topic in question. I think this satisfies the requirements for this thread.

 

[Coolydudey]

It was kind of amusing in that light -- until you beat it to death with a bag of stale sunchips.

This