Your perception of other people and the world

[SilentStorm]

This may seem a bit weird to some of you. But I always seem to view other people and animals as "biological computers," instead of regular people. Like when I'm talking to people I have these thoughts going through my head that they are just a mass of cells that think they are conscious but they're really not. Basically I think that consciousness could be an illusion and I've almost completely convinced myself of this. It all started when I was 16 and had a bad experience with the drug spice (artificial marijuana). It completely changed my perception of the world. Before that I viewed other people normally.

I'm wondering if this could be an INTP thing or if I just have an altered way of thinking. Does anyone else think like this? And if not how do you view the world?

 

[peoplesuck]

seems normal to me.

 

[Grayman]

This may seem a bit weird to some of you. But I always seem to view other people and animals as "biological computers," instead of regular people. Like when I'm talking to people I have these thoughts going through my head that they are just a mass of cells that think they are conscious but they're really not. Basically I think that consciousness could be an illusion and I've almost completely convinced myself of this. It all started when I was 16 and had a bad experience with the drug spice (artificial marijuana). It completely changed my perception of the world. Before that I viewed other people normally.

I'm wondering if this could be an INTP thing or if I just have an altered way of thinking. Does anyone else think like this? And if not how do you view the world?

Consciousness chained to bodies. In some rare cases the consciousness can control and become awake but the chains grab the consciousness back. For the most part the body controls the consciousness. The consciousness is the true human the part that can observe and know it exists. The body is the part that reacts to its environment. It's only concern is to complete it's role in evolution like any other animal species. When I speak to a person I see a combination of the two of these. The stronger the consciousness the more I feel like I am speaking to a real person and less to a shell or an animal.

 

[SilentStorm]

Consciousness chained to bodies. In some rare cases the consciousness can control and become awake but the chains grab the consciousness back. For the most part the body controls the consciousness. The consciousness is the true human the part that can observe and know it exists. The body is the part that reacts to its environment. It's only concern is to complete it's role in evolution like any other animal species. When I speak to a person I see a combination of the two of these. The stronger the consciousness the more I feel like I am speaking to a real person and less to a shell or an animal.

That was a very mind opening response. Maybe I just need to start associating with people that are more in tune with their consciousness.

 

[someoneshady]

I like to look at the world as a place where trillions of random occurences happen everyday. Those occurances can be anything from an animal getting hit by car, or just a conversation between people. All of the people who are your family sprouted from those occurances in their lives coming together in such a way that you were born and became part of that family. This is also valid for your acquaintences and friends. The lives both you and that person were living led to you meeting eachother.

Regarding your perspective on humans, I view humans who seem shallow the same way. I feel like they're not really conscious of the things happening around them. Thus, i see them like a body without consciousness. I immediatly don't want to talk to them as I don't think they have much good conversation to offer. The exception being people who I know have suffered. Not quite sure why though..
Associating with people who are more in tune with their consciousness seems like a good way to change my perspective of those people.

 

[SilentStorm]

I like to look at the world as a place where trillions of random occurences happen everyday. Those occurances can be anything from an animal getting hit by car, or just a conversation between people. All of the people who are your family sprouted from those occurances in their lives coming together in such a way that you were born and became part of that family. This is also valid for your acquaintences and friends. The lives both you and that person were living led to you meeting eachother.

This somewhat of this. I also think from this perspective sometimes. It's like everything is interconnected.

 

[someoneshady]

That perspective makes me feel like I have the power to influence those occurances on a small scale. Most of the time this is a delusion, but I like to try anyway. It's a comforting perspective for me personally.

 

[principle]

Do any of you guys unconsciously separate each person to a specific category where u believe to have this power in comparing two people possessing nearly the same physical traits, personality type etc.?

 

[Cognisant]

This may seem a bit weird to some of you. But I always seem to view other people and animals as "biological computers," instead of regular people.

That's what we all are, you, me, everybody.

Our cells are comprised of molecules and the properties of these molecules act like segments of computer code, or perhaps a more accurate metaphor would be components in a clockwork machine, that's how I see people, as absurdly sophisticated machines.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OjPcT1uUZiE
None of that was just happening due to some mysterious external force, it was all due to the attractive and repulsive forces of the molecules involved.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

This may seem a bit weird to some of you. But I always seem to view other people and animals as "biological computers," instead of regular people. Like when I'm talking to people I have these thoughts going through my head that they are just a mass of cells that think they are conscious but they're really not. Basically I think that consciousness could be an illusion and I've almost completely convinced myself of this. It all started when I was 16 and had a bad experience with the drug spice (artificial marijuana). It completely changed my perception of the world. Before that I viewed other people normally.

I'm wondering if this could be an INTP thing or if I just have an altered way of thinking. Does anyone else think like this? And if not how do you view the world?

That's what we all are, you, me, everybody.

Our cells are comprised of molecules and the properties of these molecules act like segments of computer code, or perhaps a more accurate metaphor would be components in a clockwork machine, that's how I see people, as absurdly sophisticated machines.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OjPcT1uUZiE

Even with the idea of solipsism...:

If the universe is made of atoms and atoms have space between them, then in a sense everything in the universe is connected. And if everything in the universe is connected, and people have consciousness (or just you), then the universe is alive and conscious. Isn't that amazing? Consciousness, an intangible quality which requires continuity, exists between discrete units of matter. Could consciousness then exist in a gaseous or plasma state?

None of that was just happening due to some mysterious external force, it was all due to the attractive and repulsive forces of the molecules involved.

Although electromagnetism and gravity can be explained mechanically through the properties of physics, I think it is still a mystery how these forces came to be. Would forces be different in another universe, or if the Big Bang was even slightly different? Or are the laws of nature constant across universes? Wouldn't that suggest something deeper about the nature of reality?

 

[Transcendent]

My perceptions got altered like these for one or two times. (no drugs, it was spontaneous).
I don't think consciousness is an illusion, are you not conscious of the thought?
That perspective didn't denied the presence of consciousness in the other people who seemed like biological machines, but more like even consciousness is just a part of it.
And all felt like an act. Its complicated.
But the perspective at that time was pretty much the same as you describe.

 

[Cognisant]

Consciousness, an intangible quality which requires continuity, exists between discrete units of matter. Could consciousness then exist in a gaseous or plasma state?

Consciousness isn't a thing, it's a process, specifically the process of being self aware.

 

[The Gopher]

I see other people as the main characters in their own tv shows. That said I don't like some channels but they all have a story.

#INFP4lyf

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Consciousness isn't a thing, it's a process, specifically the process of being self aware.

That just makes it even more amazing. Between the clustering of atoms that separate contemporary humans from any other physical object(most of them) is a process, a series of events that is occuring down to the atomic level where there is still a ton of empty space between each atom. I don't know any other way to say this, but if atoms are discrete, then basically, consciousness being a process, involves the transfer of energy across space.

Doesn't that mean consciousness, although not necessarily tied to a metaphysical spirit, could still exist in other states of matter as long as there are atoms transferring energy ?

I suppose consciousness would just require a means by which it can become self aware, the sensory system of humans surely can't be the only method.

 

[Cognisant]

Oh no it's even more magical than that, y'see there's these fairies that relay the energy in the form of information, specifically fairy flashdrives (it's a little known fact that our USB drives are just an inferior copy) from one atom to next, in fact there's an entire universe spanning civilisation of them with many different types of fairy handling the information transfer in different kinds of atomic processes.

If you think really hard about and I mean really really hard, you can't have any doubt whatsoever, then it's actually possible to communicate with these fairies and instruct them to do your bidding, this is otherwise known as doing magic or psychic powers but really he fairies do it all.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

 

[SilentStorm]

Even with the idea of solipsism...:

If the universe is made of atoms and atoms have space between them, then in a sense everything in the universe is connected. And if everything in the universe is connected, and people have consciousness (or just you), then the universe is alive and conscious. Isn't that amazing? Consciousness, an intangible quality which requires continuity, exists between discrete units of matter. Could consciousness then exist in a gaseous or plasma state?


Although electromagnetism and gravity can be explained mechanically through the properties of physics, I think it is still a mystery how these forces came to be. Would forces be different in another universe, or if the Big Bang was even slightly different? Or are the laws of nature constant across universes? Wouldn't that suggest something deeper about the nature of reality?

Everything is definitely connected. Maybe more than we think if string theory is completely correct. But I wouldn't go as far to say that the universe is conscious. I think that consciousness requires a certain structure of atoms. I more think that humans are the universe experiencing itself. Because all we are is a collection of atoms that used to be a part of something completely different in the universe. I think that consciousness could very well exist in a gaseous or plasma state. There could be many other life forms out there that don't function anything like the way we do. We're completely censored to life on Earth. So we have no clue what else could be out there.

As for forces being different across universes. I was watching a documentary series called "How the Universe Works" on netflix and I'm pretty sure they mentioned this. They said that there could be multiple universes forming all the time. Each with different laws of physics. Some could be exactly like ours and others could be complete opposites. Some might even have too much gravity and immediately collapse on themselves.

There's just so much that we don't know.

 

[SilentStorm]

That's what we all are, you, me, everybody.

Our cells are comprised of molecules and the properties of these molecules act like segments of computer code, or perhaps a more accurate metaphor would be components in a clockwork machine, that's how I see people, as absurdly sophisticated machines.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OjPcT1uUZiE
None of that was just happening due to some mysterious external force, it was all due to the attractive and repulsive forces of the molecules involved.

Well that makes me feel not as crazy. I knew that brains were a lot like computers. But I never knew DNA acted like that. But if we're all technically computers, then who's to say that A.I won't become conscious themselves?
Or that they're not already conscious?