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Your own mind world

JR_IsP

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Hi guys, well, I was reading about Mind Palaces and thinking about the nature of reality, and I asked to myself, can I, with enough time and work, create my own mind world?

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I mean, the loci method is something, but I'm talking about creating your own universe in your head, a place where you can go and disconnect from reality, and if lucid dreaming techniques work (such as this one), create a whole new world by your own.

I know that making it more complez than a few houses and squares is almost impossible, but, do you guys think that we may be able to create our own mind places to scape reality?

PS: If you want to know more techniques for the loci method, here some links
WikiHow with a sample
Litemind
And a very cool video
 

AndyC

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You couldn't become omnipresent within your world, but I'm sure you could develop something given the time. Nikola Tesla practiced something I believe was similar, in which he could visualize himself going to new worlds, but his visualization abilities were beyond exceptional and would take years of practice to replicate. Anything other than this would either require a complete detachment from reality, or it's impossible. Detaching yourself from reality would require the complete ignorance of external stimuli, which would inevitably destroy your brain, so uhh, yeah.

And large memory palaces couldn't be sustained after a certain point. I will have to think about whether or not practice can overcome this obstacle.
 

JR_IsP

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Well, maybe I exaggerated a little bit too much (ups)... I'm talking about doing something not that isolated from reality, but like a mental scape for stress... and I agree, after some point information couldn't be recognizable, it's like when you are out of space in your brain hard disk, or something like that...

Maybe I should reformulate it like a "updated mind palace", instead of "mind world" :confused:
 

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I think what you're specifically trying to do is what is referred to as "world-building" or paracosms, the sort of thing that authors tend to use, especially for complex universe narratives.

I'm a world-builder, a lucid dreamer, and have interest in memory loci.

World-building is the sort of thing a child does, so that was an early habit and is probably a good basis if you're wanting to make a mentalscape. You can tell if you have a propensity for world-building if you enjoy things like high fantasy writing (alternative universes with different physics, lots of strange names, complex symbology, etc.), immersive video games with narratives, or like to contemplate tangential everyday occurrences. World-building is all about the ability for visualizing a separate world.

I came to lucid dreaming naturally, so I can't quite help you there but that WikiHow article isn't too far off. I'd say that lucid dreaming is like a side benefit of world-building rather than an essential skill. I can create much more nuance when daydreaming about my mindscape then when I'm in dreams.

Good points in the WikiHow article:

- Dream journaling is essential because you never retain dreams. I like typing them up because the best time to write about what happened in your dream is immediately after waking, and the times I have hand-written them they were absolutely incomprehensible. Do this for all types of dreams.

- Prep yourself for dreaming right before you go to bed. If I do not go into sleep without entering a dream I've constructed for myself, I will most likely not dream at all, not even a non-lucid dream.

- Prolonging a lucid dream is very difficult and yes, if you get too excited about having a lucid dream you can wake yourself out of it. I can tell a dream cannot go further if everything I do has no effect on the "narrative" or "path" the dream is supposed to go and if I keep getting confused and things become visually/emotionally unstable.

Lucid dreaming is about the emotions that occur within a mindscape and the REM phase plus body paralyzation emphasizes this. Lucid dreaming can therefore help prep you for using your mindscape as a psychological refuge.

Interestingly, I first came across the subject of memory loci in Thomas Harris's Hannibal series. Hannibal has an ornate memory palace and Harris pretty much modeled it on the descriptions the books in bibliography gave (I'm pretty sure there was a bibliography and that's where I read the source material from, I may be wrong). Sherlock Holmes also utilizes a memory palace and additionally he explains to Watson his approach to it:

I consider a man's brain originally is like a little empty attic, and you have to stock it with such furniture as you choose. A fool takes in all the lumber of every sort that he comes across, so that the knowledge which might be useful to him gets crowded out, or at best is jumbled up with a lot of other things so that he has a difficulty in laying his hands upon it. Now the skillful workman is very careful indeed as to what he takes into his brain-attic. He will have nothing but the tools which may help him in doing his work, but of these he has a large assortment, and all in the most perfect order. It is a mistake to think that that little room has elastic walls and can distend to any extent. Depend upon it there comes a time when for every addition of knowledge you forget something that you knew before. It is of the highest importance, therefore, not to have useless facts elbowing out the useful ones.

He says this in response to Watson's incredulity that Sherlock "threw out" common knowledge of astronomy and Copernican heliocentricism from his knowledge repertoire. Memory palaces are useful for organizing memory and in the purpose of mindscaping, being able to visualize your own personal knowledge and memory rather than construct a different world. I believe Hannibal also contains his worst memories in a specific area of his palace, which is more likely what Sherlock has done with knowledge he's deemed "un-useful" as you cannot truly ever dispose of memory.

As far as memory loci, I've physically drawn out plans and I've created a couple of rooms but to truly manage a memory palace you need to have a good system as well as time to "organize" all your current memories into rooms/objects, and I haven't been motivated to go through all that. I'd say a formal memory palace is not quite what you're looking to do.

In my day-to-day life, having a mindscape/world of my own is pretty useful. I am literally never bored. If I were locked away I would have less trouble with mental deprivation. I most frequently use it as a place to go during a boring lecture or when I'm synthesizing thoughts. I use it also as a place to "rehearse" conversations and to gather my words together into sentences I can use in conversation.

The downsides of having a place of my own is that it's so easy to slip into and it develops too easily into a handicap. If you're in your own world, there is not a reason to seek out actual immersive stimulation. I'm the kind of person that people describe as quote "in their own world" or otherwise aloof and uninterested. Yes, this can be a place for you to retreat to but there are psychological effects, and I at least know of one term which is "maladaptive daydreaming" which is pretty much dreaming away to the point that you replace actual interaction with imaginative interaction.

Read a lot about memory and how the mind works, a few good articles like from Lifehacker are sufficient enough as people love hearing about mind theory and it gets synthesized a lot. Also know yourself emotionally and how your own thought process works. Focus on how to make your mind agile and understand how you prioritize your thoughts, memories, and knowledge. This helps you understand how your world will be organized and what certain places in that world are meant to function as. I also found that the kid's movie Inside Out (2015) used a lot of current theory about the brain and memory, such as each time you "touch" a memory is it changed and colored by your current emotions, so you can include that in research.

If you'd like specifics about my own constructs, I can describe them. But this is my first post in like...3-4 years so I don't remember how to make sure I check up on this. Oh. And I've just seen my signature. ;)
 

JR_IsP

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Wow... that's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm a writer, mostly science fiction, but I do have created some fantasy world wich I use for inspiration (also I love reading, so my imagination is quite vivid).

In my day-to-day life, having a mindscape/world of my own is pretty useful. I am literally never bored. If I were locked away I would have less trouble with mental deprivation. I most frequently use it as a place to go during a boring lecture or when I'm synthesizing thoughts. I use it also as a place to "rehearse" conversations and to gather my words together into sentences I can use in conversation.

That's the main point. Having a plce to go anytime, anywhere, where you can do whatever you think and without letting others know. As an Introverted person, I may use this more than the others, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to isolate myself from reality... the really real reality. But when I'm writing, or thinking about abstract subjects, or just bored, the only thing I want is to go to a place (for me it doesn't even care how big is, if I can only be myself) where creativity can go on. That's all.

Lucid dreaming is about the emotions that occur within a mindscape and the REM phase plus body paralyzation emphasizes this. Lucid dreaming can therefore help prep you for using your mindscape as a psychological refuge.

I was thinking somewhat the same, I'd lie if I say that I'm bad in daydreaming, but (and this is my own idea, I don't use to have lucid dreams... or dreams at all) I think that lucid dreaming may be better for exploring the world. I don't know.

Paracosms... maybe that's the word I was looking for.
 

Artsu Tharaz

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That's why I have psychosis ^_^

But my mind worlds get overlaid with the usual world... woops.
 

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I believe intp's have a natural affinity for meditation and out drifting into our minds is really a disorganized form of meditation.
Although I also experience out of body experiences frequently when my brain gets caught up on something while my body is doing some form of continuous activity. Generally happens to me while playing rugby or sex. It's rather enjoyable or frustrating during sex as finding the right balance of focus between 1st person and lets say: 3rd person is the game maker or breaker in the overall experience for all involved party's. But its bizarre, when I get caught thinking while I should be doing something else; my body just kind of walks away from the place I think it is located.
Also for building a memory palace so to say; here's some advice on some observations I have had.
While you have conversations with yourself and swing from topic. Pay mind to the other thoughts that are creeping in amidst the storm of unrelated information. I find I am often thinking of many different things at the same time. Try to expand your focus to include that. Its impossible for me to think clearly on two different topics at the same time, but I try to notice when its happening an note those intersections.
 

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[I live in one, well sometimes. Sometimes I don't bother with a body or just overlay myself in reality. I wonder if reality becomes a paracosm(we like to call it wonderland but paracosm is the technical term, we think.) in that case?:confused: We definitely intend to build a memory palace here once we get around to it, well if it isn't too annoying. Somewhat suprisingly we don't actually find building stuff here all that fun, so our paracosm is small.

Anyway creating a paracosm isn't hard, you just continioualy visualise a space and soon enough it will stick, next you create a body that you control and enjoy that space. Of course there is basic and advanced levels, the more you work on it(more details, more sensations) the more real the paracosm will become.]
 

Cloudh4t

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Can it be like fantasizing about a concept you have on mind? It might not be all the same. But sometimes im busy in my head drawing a picture how my perfect house would be. Landscaping and structure. So if I would go there when I want to think, or something like that. Is it the same? Or at least kinda?

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I am capable of creating a mind palace, everyone is. Trusting what your imagination shows you is the hardest part, and you can't just force your mind to create something all at once. Do you have a place that you imagined as a kid? Perhaps a place in a book (not a movie) you once read and shaped childhood daydreams around? These places are the clearest and contain the most raw mental material you can use to shape your thought palace.

I do wonder though, how clearly can those with the best mental prowess see a thought palace?
When i enter my thought palace, i already know what thoughts/memories im looking for, so, i don't really see anything else besides the basic layout and other most notable features. And its less of a seeing it thing as it is a knowing it thing.

Take a second to imagine your childhood bedroom. In some part of your brain you knew it, and you can see it in your mind's eye.
Its there, at least thats where i find it.
 
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