You will be old, sick, alone, depressed. And then you will die, in pain

[robott]

Nobody cares about old people, everybody just wait till they die. Often they just lay in Retirement Home, as they are useless for society. And so we all we end up there. Don't tell me "I will kill myself when I'll be 70 years" - you won't do it and I could bet money on that.
And money won't help you, even if you paid some people to care about you they will do minimum what they have, and they will use every chance to steal your money or property when you don't watch. Also, you will have less mental clarity than you have now, it might be possible that you won't even have ability to spend your money or do anything. Only family could help, but that's not always the case, and often family will just wait and be happy when you finally die.
At least if you lived at small village/countryside, you could have some friends old like you. In city? City is for young. And you will be hit by a bus or something in city (much traffic).

I had fear of dying even when I was 10 years old. I remember how i promised my mother when was 10 or some, that I will find a way and in future I will hibernate me and my mother, and we will be unhibernated at times where life extension will be possible. Now, after I know about evolution, after I see how small worth human is on earth, I see how stupid and ideallistic I was. The only thing I can do is live a great life, be happy as kid, be happy as mature, be happy as old - but how to achieve that? Actually it's not possible, you will be very sad when old. Well, I am already sad even at young age. So it will be even worse later.

How do you plan to spend your eldery? How do you plan to your death look like?

Someday you will be old, ugly, have ugly face, smell bad, be without teeth.
Maybe I should make much children so maybe one of them will help me when I'm old and my wife, that's how it was in old times, and how it's still in places like Japan. But nowadays in "western" world only youth is great, old people are nothing, they are useless and ugly.

Also when you be old you will have intelligence of a child, you will start be naive again. And what if you will have alzheimer's disease? Or something like that?
This is the life: you are young and have gf and then wife, sex her and you feel great. Then you feel great having child. And then you are becoming old, sick, and die (in pain).
What's even worse, that I think about this now, and have bad feelind and anxiety from that. So I feel bad now, and will feel more bad when I become old.

Old people are useless, nobody care about them.

And after you die, time will pass and there will be nothing left of you.
Do I take life too seriously?
I was scammed, they told me different things about life

I want to be young all time, please help me, please stop the time
Don't kill me

 

[Ribald]

This is just the current state of affairs, and I agree it is grim. The biotech, nanotech, AI, and VR revolutions will change everything by the time I'm old, though. Totally not sweating it. If I didn't think those things would happen, I would be making a lot more of an effort to hold down a job and save money, and also find a spouse and have kids. The fact that I don't do those things now is pretty much inseparable from how I am almost certain the future will be.

 

[redbaron]

I hope so.

I'd hate to die while young, healthy, and with people who'd be emotionally shattered by my passing.

 

[Affinity]

So enjoy it while you still can I say.

 

[Base groove]

This is just the current state of affairs, and I agree it is grim. The biotech, nanotech, AI, and VR revolutions will change everything by the time I'm old, though. Totally not sweating it. If I didn't think those things would happen, I would be making a lot more of an effort to hold down a job and save money, and also find a spouse and have kids. The fact that I don't do those things now is pretty much inseparable from how I am almost certain the future will be.

Yes because in the future, cyborgization will be a free service for everybody.

If anything, this is the best reason to stockpile a bunch of money.

 

[BigApplePi]

Nobody cares about old people, everybody just wait till they die. Often they just lay in Retirement Home, as they are useless for society. And so we all we end up there. Don't tell me "I will kill myself when I'll be 70 years" - you won't do it and I could bet money on that.

70? Why you done pick 70? Ah already got seven years up on you. Anyway I hope you will visit me if I retire to some retirement palace. Do that and I'll bargain with you: I will visit you when you get there.

 

[Pyropyro]

That's horrible. Remind me not to retire in your country.

Here, we respect the elderly and take care of them. It's usually the eldest child's responsibility to house them but every child helps out with their expenses. They might not be as fast as the younger people but they usually find some chore that they want to do such as washing dishes, feeding animals, gardening and of course, playing with grandkids and great-grandkids.

I do know that some aged people moved to retirement homes but that's kind of rare.

 

[Spocksleftball]

To be certain of a future is to be a fool.


You thought ahead, you brought a parachute on an airliner. The plane starts to go down in mid flight. Who on that plane will let you off with your chute? That is correct, never discount the human element...the variable that will screw every plan every time.

 

[Absurdity]

Don't tell me "I will kill myself when I'll be 70 years" - you won't do it and I could bet money on that.

Pretty flimsy dismissal, although I will admit that it is a devious bet, unless of course the estate can collect the money owed on the bettor's behalf if they go through with it.

If elected President, my first objective will be to ensure that every American is enrolled in the uber-Patriotic Smith & Wesson .45 retirement plan!

 

[Pyropyro]

Pretty flimsy dismissal, although I will admit that it is a devious bet, unless of course the estate can collect the money owed on the bettor's behalf if they go through with it.

If elected President, my first objective will be to ensure that every American is enrolled in the uber-Patriotic Smith & Wesson .45 retirement plan!

How about taking The Long Walk like in the Judge Dredd Universe? I think that's a very badass way to go. No idea where you'll have to take the "walk" though.

 

[deadpixel]

Yes because in the future, cyborgization will be a free service for everybody.

If anything, this is the best reason to stockpile a bunch of money.

Thinkers invent it, extroverts exploit it.

 

[Absurdity]

How about taking The Long Walk like in the Judge Dredd Universe? I think that's a very badass way to go. No idea where you'll have to take the "walk" though.

Detroit.

 

[The Introvert]

From childhood's hour I have not been
As others were; I have not seen
As others saw; I could not bring
My passions from a common spring.
From the same source I have not taken
My sorrow; I could not awaken
My heart to joy at the same tone;
And all I loved, I loved alone.
Then- in my childhood, in the dawn
Of a most stormy life- was drawn
From every depth of good and ill
The mystery which binds me still:
From the torrent, or the fountain,
From the red cliff of the mountain,
From the sun that round me rolled
In its autumn tint of gold,
From the lightning in the sky
As it passed me flying by,
From the thunder and the storm,
And the cloud that took the form
(When the rest of Heaven was blue)
Of a demon in my view.

 

[Ribald]

Yes because in the future, cyborgization will be a free service for everybody.

If anything, this is the best reason to stockpile a bunch of money.

I doubt it. Things come down in cost, and always have. Cell phones used to suck and be very expensive. Now they are incredible and all the poor people have them. They will continue to get cheaper and better too, as will all information technologies. At the end, they simply become free. I didn't have to buy a cure for smallpox not to get it. It's just something society took care of for me. And these days, who buys music and such? Any song you want to hear is on youtube or soundcloud and such. All free. There wasn't even a social safety net before the 1900s or so. Things get better and cheaper, time and again. Becoming a cyborg will be easy whether rich or poor. Another point, my cell phone is actually as good as Bill Gates's--state of the art. But he is a billionaire. Tech equalizes all. Printing press, now internet. Knowledge to the masses. Empowerment.

 

[Base groove]

I doubt it. Things come down in cost, and always have. Cell phones used to suck and be very expensive. Now they are incredible and all the poor people have them. They will continue to get cheaper and better too, as will all information technologies. At the end, they simply become free. I didn't have to buy a cure for smallpox not to get it. It's just something society took care of for me. And these days, who buys music and such? Any song you want to hear is on youtube or soundcloud and such. All free. There wasn't even a social safety net before the 1900s or so. Things get better and cheaper, time and again. Becoming a cyborg will be easy whether rich or poor. Another point, my cell phone is actually as good as Bill Gates--state of the art. But he is a billionaire. Tech equalizes all. Printing press, now internet. Knowledge to the masses. Empowerment.

Altogether a good point and strong support over your conclusion.

Falls short of deductive ... not everything is free, or cheaper than it used to be.

 

[robott]

The biotech, nanotech, AI, and VR revolutions will change everything by the time I'm old, though.

I disagree. I think it won't change anything. Sure you can have repaired leg or arm (or replaced), but have are you going to replace brain?
But on the other hand... imagine such idea:
1.grow real brain (just like they try to grow meat).
2.read memory from your current brain
3.put onto grown, new brain (that is same in structure and dna than your's at 20/30 years old)
4.insert into your head
But that is also bad and I explained this later in this post.

So enjoy it while you still can I say.

I can't, because I am paralyzed knowing the fact that I will be old and die. Also I always think I am doing too bad in my life. I wouldn't be happy even if I had everything. Some people are happy with just living, I am not such as that seems. I have very high expectations of life.

That's horrible. Remind me not to retire in your country.

It was fine until some(jews? russia? or other enemy of western world? or corporations? or all of them?) promoted some views (ex.consumptionism, leftism) in western world. Now in some western countries old people are even encouraged to use euthanasion services, can you imagine that? It still depends from family to family, but im talking about in what direction it's going.

They might not be as fast as the younger people but they usually find some chore that they want to do such as washing dishes, feeding animals, gardening and of course, playing with grandkids and great-grandkid

Who is cleaning their body/showering them? What when they are sick and immobilized? What if they are mentally ill? What if they have Alzeimer's disease? What if they are blind?

You thought ahead, you brought a parachute on an airliner. The plane starts to go down in mid flight. Who on that plane will let you off with your chute? That is correct, never discount the human element...the variable that will screw every plan every time.

Actually, in this example I might predict (just like you) that they wouldn't let me use it.
And maybe I won't end up as old person. Maybe I will be killed before, or I will be in car accident and they will put me into grave and I will awake in that grave (those situations still happen this days).


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I don't understand sick concept of not living, of not having a life. I will be in same place i was in year 1853. And my body will be eaten by worms.
My consciousness won't be there anymore, and so will your's when you die.

Only thing you can do is to:
-have children
-influence world, science, thinking, invent something
-improve world
-provide good to other people (ex.have company, change their thinking, ...)

But it still dosen't matter much, we rarely remember a people at all, only some guys like Einstein, Hitler. Billions of people lived on earth and died, and nobody remember them. Also, nobody will remember einstein or hitler in 1500 years or even in 400 years.

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When you be old you will just sleep all day, and you will smell bad.
I don't want to die, please help me. I beg you.

The society and world just use you, and then when you no longer needed, you die, they throw you away.
Help me please, I don't want to die.
I just can't realize how is it to lose my self consiousness and die. Life is the only thing I truly have.

Old people are sad and just wait till they die, and they also start to becoming childish again, just that they are not as beautiful as children, they are opposite in terms of beauty.

Its the result of evolution, you are only needed to make children and make some things like work, or invent something.
And then you useless, you are killed. It always ends the same.

I can't do anything, can't have fun from being young, because I know someday I will be old and die. I have too much selfconsciousness and foreseeing. I think too much about future and past, instead of now. I treat life too much like strategy game, and I'm planning and thinking of future instead of just living.

I often see old people on streets/in shops, nobody likes old people, nobody talks to them, they are treated bad, or more like an air.
Also I know some people that smoke and do many bad things for health - those people will die for some diseases before they get very old. Maybe that's actually better? Die from cancer or cardiac arrest or something at 65 instead of being very old and depressed.
I read somewhere than most of gorillas die from cardiac arest. Isn't it better than slowly dying? In old times, there wasn't much old people, most died early, from diseases or something.

We are just used by genes to protect them and carry further. I know genes are not self-consciouss, genes are not person who think or plan, but it's still kind of that way. We are used, and when useless, we are killed.
At least if being old and dying was fun, but it isn't. It's painfull and depressing. You lose your teeth, you lose your ability to walk, to think, and you die.
What if you will have Alzeimer's diseases? Even your family will be very frustrated by your behaviour. And what if you won't have family, or it will not care about you?

Even if they invented a way to stop aging, young people will be smarter and better than you, they will be more adapted to new environment, so you will lose anyway. They will live and learn in new times, and they will have better genes for current world. You won't have money to live. You won't be able to work for much salary, or work at all. Young&new people are put on pedestal, old are hated.
Also, you will die from car accident or anything. If you'll live for 200 years or 400 it will happen someday. Thats how probability works. Or you'll just get bored at life and suicide.

And it's not possible to "restart" you later. I mean, to make you again. Even if person was made with same genes he will be in completely different environment, society, and time. That won't be the same person.

The only whats different from human and machine, is consiousness, as I believe in consciousness. I think it's a phenomenon of biological brain structure and physics.

So we can have kids etc, pass our genes, but someday the earth will be just killed by an asteroid or the world will just stop. Everything is worthless, every action, as it won't matter at the end.
This is the problem, I think from world/mattery point of view, which gives you a view that human and everything is useless and worthless. I am existential nihilist, from my young kid/teenager times. But maybe as a human I should look at world and humanity from human's point of view? I don't know if I can. I think from such point of view like I would be a WORLD or a mattery or something. I am human, but I can't think as human, I can't have all that hypocrisy and defense mechanisms, I can't just pretend life is great and do what they expect from me - including dying when I'll be old and useless.

Also, old people often give money to grandchildren, so they want to come visit them. As who young would want to visit old, depressed people? Especially that young people who just want to alcohol intoxicate themselves, one night stands, etc.
When you be old, even your kids could turn away from you, even if you were good for them. Also, what if you be old and your old wife will have Alzeimer's?

I will never be child again, I will never born again, life is a game that you always lose, dosen't matter what moves you do. That's what sucks at this game and what I hate in it. As an INTP I always want to have solutions and make best move, but there is no best move in that game, at least this is how it looks for me currently.
All people that exist in current world, ALL OF THEM, wont be on this planet in 200 years. You see? We all will be exchanged for other, new people. We make our mission, and then we are erased. You pass your genes/memes, work, and then you are erased. ERASED.


And this is what I hate in life, whatever I will do, it won't have persistent effect. Everything will pass. And everything what I do will just pass away, unnoticeably. I am paralyzed, can't do anything because it will be destroyed.



And you know what, I am not any more than a human. In fact, all this posts and threads written by me, all are driven by my human needs. Probably I have just need for detachment and thinking from world/univers/mattery point of view. I am an INTP.
But I am not much different than person who just eat, sex, intoxicate and is reflectionless. I just have different needs than that person, but we work in similar way, we all just want to fulfill our needs. Even that I had tears in my eyes during some of this post, I will feel good overall and fulfilled. That dosen't mean thought that me and the person I described are *worth* same for society, country, for other people (ex.you) etc.

I could think for 30 years, but I will still be just human, and will be driven by human needs. I won't escape. But maybe I shouldn't.

 

[Steven Gerrard]

My plan is to be poor and die of starvation at 69 before my body becomes entirely useless.

Before might even be better.

 

[Pyropyro]

It was fine until some(jews? russia? or other enemy of western world? or corporations? or all of them?) promoted some views (ex.consumptionism, leftism) in western world. Now in some western countries old people are even encouraged to use euthanasion services, can you imagine that? It still depends from family to family, but im talking about in what direction it's going.

Those sick bastards! It's like they won't grow old or something.

Who is cleaning their body/showering them? What when they are sick and immobilized? What if they are mentally ill? What if they have Alzeimer's disease? What if they are blind?

Well, again the eldest child or a member of the eldest's family (it's good to be not the eldest ) tend to them if they can no longer take care of their own. It's a duty that you can't simply shirk unless you want the ire of your relatives and society. More affluent families have hired help to take care of them.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Create a loving family or great enemies, that will either take care of you until you die, or place a bullet in your brain at the slightest sign of weakness.

Both are an expression of love and respect.

 

[The Void]

I will be old, sick and alone may be but why depressed?
I may die in pain, but if the mind is mastered pain need not become suffering.
I may even die, young, healthy, and in company....
The ceiling fan may fall now and kill me right now.
I can die anytime.
I don't care.

 

[robott]

Well, again the eldest child or a member of the eldest's family (it's good to be not the eldest ) tend to them if they can no longer take care of their own. It's a duty that you can't simply shirk unless you want the ire of your relatives and society. More affluent families have hired help to take care of them.

I see. So it's just an duty that everybody hates to do but have to. It's even worse than being at retirement house, when at least people "care" about you because they work there/they are paid, not because they are forced to do this.

or place a bullet in your brain at the slightest sign of weakness.

Then I would already killed myself years ago. But you probably mean "sign of weakness at 70+".

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I always wanted to have my life better, to improve, to improve myself, life, have money, achieve many things
But now I see how it's pointless, because life is not a game when you can improve constantly. It's best when you young, then it's worse and worse, and worst when you are old and dying. Dosen't matter how much you achieved, you will lost everything, and be killed. Dosen't matter how much you helped world and society, they will hate and dont care about you when you old and useless for them. They will use you, and then drop you (kill you).

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_age

About half of older adults suffer multimorbidity, that is, they have three or more chronic conditions.[120] Medical advances have made it possible to “postpone death,” but in many cases this postponement adds “prolonged sickness, dependence, pain, and suffering,” a time that is costly in social, psychological, economic terms.[121]

The longitudinal interviews of 150 age 85+ people summarized in Life Beyond 85 Years found “progressive terminal decline” in the year prior to death: constant fatigue, much sleep, detachment from people, things, and activities, simplified lives. Most of the interviewees did not fear death; some would welcome it. One person said, “living this long is pure hell.” However, nearly everyone feared a long process of dying. Some wanted to die in their sleep; others wanted to die “on their feet.”[122]

The study of Older Adults' Views on Death found that the more frail people were, the more “pain, suffering, and struggles” they were enduring, the more likely they were to “accept and welcome” death as a release from their misery. Their fear about the process of dying was that it would prolong their distress. Besides being a release from misery, some saw death as a way to reunion with departed loved ones. Others saw death as a way to free their caretakers from the burden of their care.[123]

Im young person who have consciousness that i will be old. But what can i do to have my old age good? nothing. its not possible to be old and happy. Being old is hell. It's sad. Depressing. Brutal.

It could be possible to human be happy when old and dying. But it's not, because human is made by evolution. So we are needed to pass genes further, and raise our children, and then, we are useless, so evolution dosen't care about us anymore.
On the other hand, there are people like me who fear being old, and that might stop me from living and having children. If I saw being old as nice and fun, I could live without anxiety and have my life great, have family etc.

Dosen't matter how much money you made, how much world have you improved, dosent matter even if you invented wheel or internet, they will hate you when you old, you will be useless then. You will be sick and depressed as old person, independently of how much you helped people, how great human you was, independently of anything you did. You will be no more needed, you will be useless, and throw into a bin. Or they will suggest you to take euthanasion, so you don't use "society" money for medicines and extending your shitty, useless, piece of shit life.
That's why i hate this world, and this society. The more people will think like me, the more people will read this text, the more chance that something will change in that terms. We need to fight hipocrisy, for our own good.
If many people will fear being old and think like me, they will boycott life, stop living and/or making children until they will see being old as OK - which could mean, there will be some great services for old people, or some medicines that change their thinking (narcotics), or some cultural changes that will make good for eldery.
And there is need for that, we have very large increase in number of old people. And will have even more in years. They need a way to have good and respectable eldery, and dying too.
Right now we have things like retirement, where goverment gives us money/salary from our taxes we paid when working for years. And there are some retirement houses, but their services are not great.. but it's better than nothing, or just killing old people like it was in previous times. But we need something better, or improve retirement houses. Or make some cultural changes.

But first need to advertise mem in young people, that they will be old and depressed, and will die in pain with alzheimer's. That will create a DEMAND for this, they will ask their goverment or businesses, to have good and respectable old times and dying. I will work on that. And will think about how such buisnesses/services for old people would look and work like.
Or they could be goverment managed. Let me think. You can post your ideas too.
I will also ask older people how they would spend their eldery, what would they want and like to do. And maybe ask young people too.
And this is going to be global project. I don't care about that countries and shit. It's a global project, for entire earth.

The only thing can be a problem is, some might dont like that. As this will use money for old people, which are "useless".

Also, imagine:
[Society A]
kills old people.

[Society B]
have old people in good retirement houses, which provide good services, but are costly

Thing is, society A will have advantage of not using money for old people. and old people are bad investition. Better investition are new people, children. So society A could use that saved money and use it on children/new people. But on the other hand, if Society A people's (young ones) realized they are going to be used, and then killed when old, they would boycott that, boycott their lives and having children, boycott their society.
Also, look in our western world, we already have health care/retirement houses for old people. It's mostly bad, but still, we care about them better than in old old times. And some young neurotic's, like me, are scared of being old. That makes a demand. And I could make an ultimatum: either give me sure I will have good eldery and dying, or I refuse to live and make children.

Or, maybe i could just accept a fact im useless when old and suicide/euthanasion? You see, it's like with japanese kamikadze, when they sacrified their lives for the country. Similary, old people could same for children and grandchildren (so they (old) dont use the money). But i cant accept that. It is kind of wrong. Old people gave younger live, they deserve a respectable eldery and dying. Well, whatever "deserve" means. I think, its kind of contract "I gave you life, now you care about me when im old". And even if they fucked me - tell me they will care but they didn't, young people would see that (just like me now) and would not believe them anymore.

So what we need now: promote this mem, so young are scared of dying/being old, so they make a demand. Then, either we will receive this services, or we will refuse to live and make children.
Also, the more young will be scared of being old the more will they respect an care about the old people.

You might say, before, the family was to care about old. But thing is, western civilisation/consumptionism destroyed the family. So either we restore family institution OR... make that services/retirement houses for old people. Especially, that times have changed, and maybe family isn't as important as before. Yes, genes, but thing is we also have memes, especially in current civilisation with globalisation, internet, one language (english), ability to travel to any place on earth. And with that amount of knowledge, views, political opinions.
Maybe it would be better to spend eldery in retirement houses for intp's? So we can all spend time and talk? And analyze?
Spend time with people that share similar views?
But im not sure if thats gonna work so well... one of (very many) reasons we have that small fertility in western world, might be how family is less powerful and less important in this times and society. When father and mother have child, they gain less/have smaller profits from that than they had before. Especially when they dont even know if children will care about them if they're old. And same it will be if we go more and more to memes than genes. Profits will be more if you became politician, philosopher, or anything, than to be a father or mother. As memes importance increased so much in western world, and genes importance decreased. Who will make children? But some people might still be making them. But if we keep going or staying in that direction, we need that eldery services.

Interesting read too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nursing_home

 

[Pyropyro]

I see. So it's just an duty that everybody hates to do but have to. It's even worse than being at retirement house, when at least people "care" about you because they work there/they are paid, not because they are forced to do this.

I can't speak for the other families but at least in our family, we do love our grandparents and great-grandparents. For me love is a decision to stick with each other through thick and thin rather than "that loving feeling".

For me, a retirement home is way more punishing than being with your family. You must have done something ridiculously harsh or raised jerks to be exiled to such places. I remembered encountering an old rich guy at one such home. He's really rich but he's now alone and reduced to begging us visitors for extra adult diapers.

 

[robott]

I remember how I made a one rule in my life:
If I will want to suicide, I will do this only if I wanted this for one year. But if at any point in that time at one day I won't want suicide, the counter restarts.

Maybe will apply that to my eldery too? Thing is, that (suicide) would hurt my family (if I had it).
Also, still it's not great to live having knowledge that I will suicide someday. Whatever I'll do at life, I still end up as old depressed prick who will suicide. That's not very motivating to having great life and achieve much.

This society and world dosen't value achievements. Like I said before, you are only good as long as you are needed, then you are murdered and put into coffin. We need to boycott that and refuse to do anything until they will start to handle us honestly. We all are being scammed and narcotized. They say lies how life is great and you will be happy, in reality they use you how they need, and then you end up as old, sick, depressed, and die.

 

[Duxwing]

Erroneously believing that death's pain is entirely controllable will worsen your suffering. Instead assume that you cannot control some of your pain is beyond your control and use to enjoy your last days what energy you would have futilely expended fighting this pain.

-Duxwing

 

[robott]

I can't speak for the other families but at least in our family, we do love our grandparents and great-grandparents. For me love is a decision to stick with each other through thick and thin rather than "that loving feeling"

Well... it sounds different where you said:
(it's good to be not the eldest )
and:
It's a duty that you can't simply shirk unless you want the ire of your relatives and society.

For me, a retirement home is way more punishing than being with your family. You must have done something ridiculously harsh or raised jerks to be exiled to such places. I remembered encountering an old rich guy at one such home. He's really rich but he's now alone and reduced to begging us visitors for extra adult diapers.

See? It's what i'm saying. When this rich guy was young they told him to run buisness, to employ people, to provide services/buisnesses to people, and if he does they will give him money, respect, and put him on pedestal.
But how it ended? They gave him money, power, pussy as long as he was needed for them. Then he became useless for them. And now he is poor old sick depressed guy, left at retirement house. They scammed him. Nobody cares about him, not the people who he employeed, not people who made buisnesses with him, nobody. Not womans who he slept with.
See my point? You needed = pussy, money, power, ferraris, people talk to you, everything. You not needed anymore = fuck you, go die in a coffin stupid asshole. We will never talk to you anymore. And won't give you a half dollar anymore.

What's the point of contributing to this world and society? To end up like this guy, begging for diapers? They won't respect my contribution, so I refuse to contribute. Fuck you, all of you. You don't deserve me helping you in any way, or inventing wheel, or internet. It's not worth. You won't get anything for that. Fucking scammers.
Good that at least I realized that and haven't wasted my time to contributing to this piece of shit world.

 

[Pyropyro]

Well... it sounds different where you said:
(it's good to be not the eldest )
and:
It's a duty that you can't simply shirk unless you want the ire of your relatives and society.

No, it just means that I have the luxury of walking away and doing minimal support compared to the eldest. However, that doesn't mean that I will walk away though. To be fair, the eldest does get a lot of perks (such as having a better share as heirs) but such perks are meaningless IMO, I wish to work for my own properties/sustenance not rely on my parents' strength.

Yep, it's an unwritten rule. It's just that my family is willing to do it whether it exists or not. Heck, I'll be willing to house my parents if they grow old in the very unlikely chance that our eldest won't shelter them.

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See? It's what i'm saying. When this rich guy was young they told him to run buisness, to employ people, to provide services/buisnesses to people, and if he does they will give him money, respect, and put him on pedestal.
But how it ended? They gave him money, power, pussy as long as he was needed for them. Then he became useless for them. And now he is poor old sick depressed guy, left at retirement house. They scammed him. Nobody cares about him, not the people who he employeed, not people who made buisnesses with him, nobody. Not womans who he slept with.
See my point? You needed = pussy, money, power, ferraris, people talk to you, everything. You not needed anymore = fuck you, go die in a coffin stupid asshole. We will never talk to you anymore. And won't give you a half dollar anymore.

What's the point of contributing to this world and society? To end up like this guy, begging for diapers? They won't respect my contribution, so I refuse to contribute. Fuck you, all of you. You don't deserve me helping you in any way, or inventing wheel, or internet. It's not worth. You won't get anything for that. Fucking scammers.
Good that at least I realized that and haven't wasted my time to contributing to this piece of shit world.

Hence the pointlessness of gathering material possession for the sake of having material possession. I think it's more of a work/family/friends/self balance. You build relationships in tandem with building riches. You won't get as far as those who singlemindedly search for power and stuff but at least you'll know someone will support you when the time to fade comes.