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Wifi in schools to create massive health crisis in next generations

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A UK naval expert in microwaves has warned of the dangers of wifi

He says that the eggs in a young girl are susceptible to damage from microwaves and that once the DNA coding in their eggs is damaged it will then pass on damaged genetic coding to any children they give birth to

He says that the wifi being pushed out across society everywhere from buses, to trains, to streets to school classrooms is going to create a health disaster that will be far worse then the thalidomide scandal of deformed children born to mothers given the thalidomide drug

Here he is speaking about this impending danger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FMMdJibIjY
 

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If having my head microwaved is the price I have to pay for internet everywhere it's a price I am willing to pay. That said I think it's a non issue the amount of waves going through the air either way should do the work just as well.
 

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The 'SMART' meters that are being rolled out across the west operate using wifi

They collect data on the electricity use in your home and then they send that data by wifi to a master meter on your street which then boosts up that wifi signal and sends the data to the energy corporation who then have the data on what you are doing within the privacy of your own home

The dangers of the wifi are bad enough with people being exposed to multiple overlapping fields of wifi and the infringments on privacy are also bad enough for SMART meters to be opposed but they are actually part of a much larger scheme which aims to create a 'smart grid' where all electronic appliances all communicate with each other and are controlled by the corporate network

This has been called the 'internet of things' by ex CIA chief Petreus

Here is testimony to the UK select committee warning the UK parliment of the dangers of smart meters to try and prevent their role out across the UK; this is only part 1 of 6:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVoJ6fgwRdU
 

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Hang up? Major US study finds link between cancer and cellphone radiation

Published time: 27 May, 2016 20:55
Zoran Milich

With the majority of humans having access to a mobile phone the debate whether their use can cause cancer has been a heated one. Now a US government study has found a link between cellphone radiation and cancer in rats.
The unsettling findings are the result of a US$25 million study by the National Toxicology Program (NTP) – a division of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) – which has been underway for the past 2.5 years.


read on here: https://www.rt.com/usa/344640-mobile-phones-cancer-radiation/
 

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If having my head microwaved is the price I have to pay for internet everywhere it's a price I am willing to pay. That said I think it's a non issue the amount of waves going through the air either way should do the work just as well.

you don't know what the price is yet

If you develop a brain tumour tomorrow and die then you might re-think your position before you shuffle off the mortal coil

Also the technology has other applications which should be of concern to a democratic society which i'll post about next

But you don't need to have wifi. You can go online and switch off the wifi to your computer then use a physical ethernet cable from your router instead

Convincing your neighbours to do the same might be a challenge but thsat is why it is in your interest as well as mine for as many people as possible to be aware of these dangers so that we can see a public discussion about these issues that can then lead to the required changes to prevent any further damage to public health

The other problem as i have stated in the OP is that the genetic coding in your offspirng may be damaged which would affect future generations of your family
 

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It's already happening in South Korea. The kids are lethargic, impersonal and self-centered. Wifi basically means TV and entertainment 24/7. Turns people into walking coach potatoes.

Personally I think there could be a correlation between internet usage and alpha waves coming from the brain.
 

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I've seen a fair bit of talk elsewhere on this forum about MKUltra so clearly there is an awareness of the existence of government or black ops mind control programmes

These have involved the use of trauma, drugs, sleep deprivation but also technology.

Below is a clip of a former DAARPA director speaking about a new pill they have created which turns the swallower into a walking antenna

DAARPA are linked to the pentagon and google and are working on various militarised robots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwjDfykKUJc

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It's already happening in South Korea. The kids are lethargic, impersonal and self-centered. Wifi basically means TV and entertainment 24/7. Turns people into walking coach potatoes.

Personally I think there could be a correlation between internet usage and alpha waves coming from the brain.

TV puts people into a hypnogogic state by placing them in an alpha brainwave state

Essentially it is hypnotising them to make them more suggestive. Once in that state the TV bombards their mind with adverts, subliminals and cues as to how they should think and behave to fit into society

The following article looks into the role of cell phone towers in the new 'voice to skull' technology that the government has

Imagine a world where adverts are beamed directly into your brain...

Of course adverst would be only one application of such technology. It may very well be the case that some people who are complaining of 'voices in the head' might actually be targets of covert experimentation by the government realting to this technology

But of course because the public is largely unaware of the existence of such tech such people are always dismissed as being 'crazy'...but are they all crazy?

United States of PSYOPS: Call them paranoid; call them delusional

By Ramola D. -
June 14, 2016

Scientists have stepped in to validate these reports, including an Artificial Intelligence (AI) and Cybernetics expert, Dr. Robert Duncan, who reports working for the Department of Defense and the CIA on AI and neuroscience projects which seek to electronically stimulate and rewire human brains. He points to the CIA’s MKULTRA and Monarch Programming techniques which used LSD and torture to reprogram personalities as precursor to current-day covert brain experiments and classified-research field testing of weapons.
Dr. Barrie Trower, a microwave weapons expert who worked for the UK Navy, has spoken extensively about microwave weaponry including V2K, or Voice to Skull technologies, which put voices into people’s heads via EMFs. Dr. Richard Alan Miller, a M.I.T-educated US Navy Intel scientist, has stated he helped develop V2K or Synthetic Telepathy.


read more here: https://www.intellihub.com/united-states-psyops-call-paranoid-delusional/
 

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That kind of psy-op could be possible, but what I'm referring to is actual alpha waves coming from the brain that disrupts wifi. If it's true that alpha waves could be used to manipulate radio waves, there could also be methods where wifi waves could be used to disrupt brain function. It's not about information warfare, it's more bio-physiological.

Basically, psychic ability.
 

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That kind of psy-op could be possible, but what I'm referring to is actual alpha waves coming from the brain that disrupts wifi. If it's true that alpha waves could be used to manipulate radio waves, there could also be methods where wifi waves could be used to disrupt brain function. It's not about information warfare, it's more bio-physiological.

Basically, psychic ability.

The powers that be who are building and installing all this tech are not doing it to enable you to impact wifi through your brainwaves

They are doing it to impact YOUR brainwaves through the tech
 

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The powers that be who are building and installing all this tech are not doing it to enable you to impact wifi through your brainwaves

They are doing it to impact YOUR brainwaves through the tech

Yeah, I know what you're talking about, I'm just clarifying what I meant when I wrote my own post. Two different things.
 

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Yeah, I know what you're talking about, I'm just clarifying what I meant when I wrote my own post. Two different things.

Technology is a double edged sword.....it can be used for good or ill

For example robots can be used to carry out dangerous tasks like bomb disposal but if robots replace all human workers then suddenly we have mass unemployment

If however we can create a system where resources can be allocated fairly then it need not be a problem for robots to take up the slack

However under the current system which is geared towards labour exploitation the dangers of automation are obvious

Then there are the risks that go with militarising robots and with artificial intelligence and indeed many of the worlds leading scientists including stephen hawkings have written a letter to governments warning them of the dangers of AI

When you think about the creation of various kinds of drones which are all remote controlled it adds to the potential for problems

Facebook meanwhile is predicting a future where everyone is hooked up and communicating telepathically

They are also working on virtual reality tech

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One other reason to not attend or send your children to public schools.
 

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Telepathy is inevitable from the pragmatic standpoint.

It is vastly superior in data transfer speeds and expressiveness when compared to natural conversation. In the future people will be able to upload their entire perceptions, mental images, thoughts and feelings to others, speech will become an oddity or may still be used in techno-orthodox societies or as a convention of respect and distance.

Government doesn't aim to destroy its citizens, it aims to keep the populace controllable and supportive of its objectives. It is not an enemy, it's at worst a parasite (depending on the specific situation), it has to make certain bargains in order to continue.

It's not directly beneficial to any lobby to diminish the genetic quality of the working populace. Depopulation agenda is increasing in support, though it has many reasons to warn against overpopulation and imminent land and resource scarcity. Assuming a government would seek to depopulate it doesn't need to act. In absence of its intervention the overpopulation will cause many deaths and conditions unfavourable for growth. It will further allow the possibility of state and military apparatus to expand and naturalise oppressive policies.
 

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100% grade-A bullshit. I work in the field, have measured these systems and others in anechoic chambers and work with world experts in the field. If you're worried then take one less plane flight during the year or drive less and you'll up your longevity more.

Get a life folks, go out and do something with yourselves and don't waste your time with this.
 

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100% grade-A bullshit. I work in the field, have measured these systems and others in anechoic chambers and work with world experts in the field. If you're worried then take one less plane flight during the year or drive less and you'll up your longevity more.

Get a life folks, go out and do something with yourselves and don't waste your time with this.

I would give you gold if the forum had it
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Gold has to be earned.​

Experts: Why wearable tech could pose health risks

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Mailing List, DECT, Wi-FI, and WLAN wireless systems and health by EMFacts

From Joel Moskowitz PhD, chairman of the Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology and Reproductive Sciences at the Yale School of Medicine

Wearables have arrived. But some doctors and scientists say the latest must-have technology may pose serious health risks to the people wearing them.

Internet-connected glasses, smart watches and health monitoring gadgets put wireless technology right on the body, increasing exposure to radio waves among consumers who are already carrying wireless smartphones, tablets and laptops.

Make no mistake … Wearables like Google Glass, Samsung Gear Live and the upcoming Apple Watch are a growing tech category. Wearable smart device shipments will more than quadruple globally by 2017, reaching 116 million units, compared to an estimated 27 million this year, according to a September reportfrom Juniper Research, a U.K-based market research firm that specializes in wireless technology.

The good news is that most wearables use Bluetooth technology, which emits much lower levels of radiofrequency, or RF, than cellular-based smartphones and other devices that use Wi-Fi.

For example, wearables from Fitbit use Bluetooth Low Energy, which is a “lower power technology than classic Bluetooth typically used in headsets, and operates at powers dramatically lower than cellphones,” a company spokeswoman toldFoxnews.com in an email.

In fact, she added, the output power of Fitbit’s trackers is so low, the FCC does not require them to be tested for Specific Absorption Rate (SAR), a measure of the rate at which energy is absorbed by the human body when exposed to RF radiation, including microwave radiation). Cellphones and laptops, on the other hand, must pass strict SAR testing requirements, since they operate at higher power levels.

But many wearables don’t limit their radiation to Bluetooth. Products like Google Glass, Recon Instruments’ Recon Jet and Optinvent’s ORA use Wi-Fi, too. And that is sounding the alarm for some health professionals.

“Wi-Fi is very similar to cellphone radiation. You definitely don’t want to put these devices near your head or near your reproductive organs” for extended periods of time, said Joel M. Moskowitz, Ph.D., director of the Center for Family and Community Health at the UC Berkeley Prevention Research Center School of Public Health.

Because Google Glass operates on Wi-Fi, it has a relatively high SAR of 1.42, Moskowitz said. (The upper SAR limit that is considered safe is 1.60.)

Google did not respond to a request for comment.

But does a low SAR rating make a wearable safe? Moskowitz has his doubts.

“The SAR in itself is a problematic standard, because basically it was derived to protect against the acute effect of heating from microwave radiation,” he said. “It’s kind of a bizarre standard, because the effects the health community are concerned about are not thermal in nature. They’re the lower intensity exposures that are chronic over time. So the whole SAR framework is outdated.”

And outdated standards can be a problem for consumers looking for guidance from health professionals, because “Many in the medical community are oblivious to the potential health risk of microwave radiation,” Moskowitz said.

There are reasons that the medical community is not waving their arms about the risks of RF radiation exposure, however. A study of about 360,000 cellphone users in Denmark, for example, concluded that there is no increased risk of brain tumors based on long-term use.

And the intensity of a Wi-Fi signal is generally less than that of a cell phone.

Health Canada, a Federal department that advises Canadians on health issues, has published guidelines “based on scientific evidence” that “determined that low-level exposure to radiofrequency (RF) energy from Wi-Fi equipment is not dangerous to the public.”

But there is something called the precautionary principle that states when an activity is potentially harmful to human health, precautionary measures should be taken even if some cause and effect relationships are not fully established scientifically.

One who is being cautious is Hugh S. Taylor, MD, chairman of the Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology and Reproductive Sciences at the Yale School of Medicine. Though wearables emit lower energy levels than smartphones, some people should still consider themselves at risk, he said.

“My warning is that we should be particularly cautious in pregnant women,” Taylor told Foxnews.com. “Especially something such as a watch if you have your arm straight down or resting on your belly.”

And sporting a wearable in addition to carrying a smartphone and tablet could have a cumulative effect, he said.

“I worry that wearables may increase our total exposure. All that radiation will be adding up. Wearables are something you’re more likely to keep on your body, so you’re more likely to have a sustained close exposure.”

Taylor, most of whose work focuses on fetal development, said fetuses exposed to radiation from their pregnant mothers’ cellphones can develop behaviors such as hyperactivity, poorer memory and ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) in childhood.

But the effects of RF radiation on the average consumer are what concern Moskowitz.

“If [you] were to go to the NCI (National Cancer Institute) website, [you] would probably read that there’s been a lot of research. [They would say that] we really don’t know the answer, and more research is needed,” he said. “That’s the conventional party line of our government and many governments around the world.”

Echoing Taylor’s concerns, he added: “Besides the peak RF exposure from Bluetooth devices, which is what the SAR measures, we need to be concerned about the cumulative RF exposure, as people may keep these devices on all day long.”

For example, he said, one of the effects of daylong, very low intensity exposure to microwave radiation from Wi-Fi is that it “opens the blood brain barrier. So if you have any toxins in your blood system, those toxins can now penetrate your brain tissue with very, very low exposure to microwave radiation.”

Even Bluetooth, where the SAR is low, “could be problematic leaving [the device] near the head, because of the blood brain barrier phenomenon,” Moskowitz said.

But the risk of RF radiation is insignificant when a wearable can help a person in dire need of medical care, said David O. Carpenter, MD, director of the Institute for Health and the Environment at the University at Albany (N.Y.).

“You have to evaluate what the risk is. It has to be balanced against the benefit. If you have a wearable that’s monitoring a disease state, that’s a very different issue,” Carpenter told Foxnews.com.



Links I'm exploring:

Tetra Watch:
http://www.tetrawatch.net/tetra/trower.php

SMARTMetre Updates (Blog):
https://smartmeternewsupdates.wordpress.com/?iframe=true&theme_preview=true

Assessment of Radiofrequency Microwave Radiation Emissions from Smart Meters
http://sagereports.com/smart-meter-rf/

Bioinitiative:
http://www.bioinitiative.org/participants/why-we-care/
http://www.emrrfsa.org/bioinitiative-report-and-petition/

Trower Reports:
http://www.rense.com/general60/tetra.htm
http://www.wirelesswatchblog.org/wp...11/20-Amended-Declaration-of-Barry-Trower.pdf
http://www.radiationresearch.org/im...- a Thalidomide in the making - who cares.pdf

Who the fuck is B. Trower?
http://www.macleans.ca/authors/colby-cosh/i-bet-mr-trower-has-a-delightful-accent/

The Secret Use Of Microwaves by British Police And Army:
http://www.rense.com/general11/mm.htm

Claims of Fraud/Fear-mongering (Not based on Trower, but related):
http://www.emfandhealth.com/ScienceRudigerFraud.pdf

(So called -) WHO Biological Effects and Health Hazards of Microwave Radiation
(I'm trying to find the 1974 report)
http://mistic.heig-vd.ch/taillard/microwave_effects/

1969 seperate additional:
http://www.magdahavas.com/wordpress...ealth_Implications_of_Microwave_Radiation.pdf

ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELD INTERACTIONS WITH THE HUMAN BODY: OBSERVED EFFECTS AND THEORIES
(NASA 1981)

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19810017132.pdf

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EU Parliamentary questions:

Subject: Health problems caused by low-level microwave radiation emissions (WiFi)

Answer(s)

Press reports have drawn attention to the existence of a ‘top-secret’, 350-page document, entitled ‘International Symposium Research Agreement No 05-609-04 — Biological effects of and health problems caused by microwave radiation’, in which the World Health Organisation (WHO) draws attention to the irreversible brain damage, cancers, deformities and abnormal bone development which exposure to such radiation can cause.

Widespread use is made of wireless systems in both public and private contexts. The programme for the six-month Italian Presidency states that the Internet is an important tool for modernising the economy and working arrangements and that efforts will be made to exploit the potential offered by Europe’s digital networks through the Horizon 2020 programme, the Structural Funds, the Investment Fund and EIB initiatives. The programme also states that health-related issues are a priority for the Italian Presidency. Given the widespread use which is made of WiFi systems, and the fact that people are actively encouraged to use them, the Italian Presidency offers an ideal opportunity to carry out a detailed analysis, covering all the Member States, of the risks posed by WiFi radiation.

1. Is the Commission aware of data relevant to the issue raised in this question?

2. How does it intend to address this issue, not least in the light of the WHO’s findings?

Answer given by Mr Borg on behalf of the Commission
The Commission would refer the Honourable Member to its answer to Parliamentary Question E-000611/2014(1).

The Council Recommendation on the limitation of exposure of the general public to electromagnetic fields (1999/519/EC(2)), including microwaves, puts forward exposure guidelines.

New scientific evidence concerning the potential health effects from exposure to electromagnetic fields (EMF) is periodically reviewed by the independent Scientific Committee on Emerging and Newly Identified Health Risks (Scenihr). The 2014 Scenihr preliminary opinion published for public consultation(3), which is based on scientific studies issued after 2009, concluded that the evidence for an increased risk of cancer of the brain became weaker while the possibility of an association with cancer of the ear remains open and needs further investigation. Studies were also conducted with regard to childhood cancer in relation to exposure from broadcast transmitters and do not indicate any association between cancer and exposure to transmitters.

While the Commission has no role to play in the recognition of specific diseases or syndromes, it continually evaluates the need for further research and is following the work of the World Health Organisation’s EMF Project(4). The Commission is a member of its International Advisory Committee.

In addition, the Seventh Framework Programme for Research is funding multinational projects including, for example, the large-scale project Geronimo(5) taking an integrated approach to better understand potential mechanisms underlying possible health effects of EMF and to characterise population levels of exposure.

E-000611/2014(1)

Subject: Effects of Wi-Fi on people's health

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A European Commission study has revealed the huge proliferation of Wi-Fi devices and networks. According to the study, 71% of wireless data traffic in 2012 used Wi-Fi networks, and the trend seems to be on the up.

Commission representatives maintain that the Commission will be supporting the spread of Wi-Fi with faster regulation and a broader spectrum.

However, back in 2002, the Freiburg Appeal was signed by physicians in various disciplines, warning of the harmful effects of electromagnetic sources, mobile devices and Wi-Fi networks on people’s health, and listing, among other things, brain tumours, leukaemia, problems with concentration and changes in blood pressure. Other studies show that radiation from these sources can cause spontaneous abortion and foetal abnormalities, though the debate is still far from closed.

In the light of these data, please could the Commission clarify whether:

1. it has undertaken any studies or surveys of the potential harmful effects of excessive exposure to Wi-Fi networks on people’s health;

2. it has taken account of these effects when assessing and promoting the spread of Wi-Fi;

3. it is planning to conduct any further studies and/or collaborate with other bodies, such as the WHO, to secure irrefutable data on the effects linked to excessive and prolonged exposure to Wi-Fi networks?

E-000611/2014

Answer given by Ms Geoghegan-Quinn on behalf of the Commission

1 and 2. The Commission has supported five projects investigating exposure to, and the potential health effects of, electromagnetic fields (EMFs) under the Seventh Framework Programme for Research, Technological Development and Demonstration Activities (FP7, 2007-2013).(1)

The results of these projects can be found on CORDIS,(2) and are available to the Commission’s independent Scientific Committee on Emerging and Newly Identified Health Risks (SCENIHR).(3) A public consultation on SCENIHR’s latest preliminary opinion ‘Potential health effects of exposure to electromagnetic fields (EMF)’ is on-going.(4)

3. The Commission is also following the work of the World Health Organisation’s EMF Project(5) and is a member of its International Advisory Committee. The Commission continually evaluates the need for further research taking into account the results from on-going projects and other sources.


Hmmm... So, everything is still up for debate, no?

International Doctors´ Appeal 2012​

Ten years ago, physicians of the Freiburg Appeal called on their colleagues, the public, and the politicians and health officials in charge because they were deeply concerned about the health of their fellow citizens. This Doctors´Appeal, in which they strongly warned about the dangers of wireless radiation, was translated into many languages and supported by more than 1000 physicians and more than 36,000 people worldwide.

Over the past decade, the evidence of serious risks has been increasing and accumulating worldwide. As physicians, we observe a clear increase in health symptoms when radio-frequency exposure levels increase with regard to distance and time—especially in the case of heavy cell phone use, and in the vicinity of DECT cordless phones, Wi-Fi, and cell towers—including problems falling asleep and staying asleep, chronic fatigue, headaches, migraine, vertigo, tinnitus, unhealthy blood pressure levels and arrhythmias, concentration and memory problems, learning and behavioral disorders, a more frequent incidence of ADHD among children. And numerous studies of independent scientists have now confirmed many of these observations made by physicians.

In the wake of the Freiburg Appeal, twelve other doctors‘ appeals requested overdue precautionary action in response to this worrisome situation—but so far in vain. The signatories of those appeals could rely on a professional Code of Ethics that requires a physician to participate in maintaining the natural basis of life regarding human health. The authors of this International Doctors’ Appeal are guided by the same Code and today ask for your support.

We encourage you to sign the attached appeal and ask you to forward this appeal as well as our information portal to other colleagues.

 

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100% grade-A bullshit. I work in the field, have measured these systems and others in anechoic chambers and work with world experts in the field. If you're worried then take one less plane flight during the year or drive less and you'll up your longevity more.

Get a life folks, go out and do something with yourselves and don't waste your time with this.

So, anyway.. I ain't no scientist.. Can you lay my concerns to rest?

And FYI, I can't confirm nor deny the credentials of one Barrie Trower...

That just leaves me trying to verify his science.. But I aint qualified to do that.
 

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100% grade-A bullshit. I work in the field, have measured these systems and others in anechoic chambers and work with world experts in the field. If you're worried then take one less plane flight during the year or drive less and you'll up your longevity more.

Get a life folks, go out and do something with yourselves and don't waste your time with this.

wow so you are more qualified then a military expert on microwaves who was trained in military applications of microwaves?

That's so funny because i started two threads: one on wifi and one on vaccines and in the wifi thread you come in saying you work with world leaders in the field and in the other thread i get a guy claiming to be a virology expert

what a talented pool there is in the INTP forum...so many world experts here...
 

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Architect is pretty much an authority here. He is pretty talented.
 

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For those that can't be bothered to listen to barrie i'll summarise what he is saying about the dangers of wifi in school

He is saying that girls have their eggs that they will then use later in life to have a child

Wifi can affect the eggs because girls do not have the same biological protection as adult women

The radiation can disrupt the DNA in their eggs which then means that the DNA coding which has been passed down to that girl from the first people is then disrupted and that girl then passes on disrupted coding; this then leads to deformities in the children who are born from those eggs

This means that we as a society are storing up a health disaster that we will only see manifest in the next generations
 

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Studies showing the dangers of wifi and a clip below summarising the dangers

10 Evidencias científicas alertan sobre los peligros del MÓVIL y WIFI by Noé Marcial

Interviewee: Olle Johansson, Ph. D.
Interviewer: Nadia Pawloff
Video & Edition: Noé Marcial
Production: As.Oikos Ambiental
Music By: Nicholas Hennell-Foley
Lista de Estudios:

Link al estudio científico 1:
Las ondas electromagnéticas afectan la capacidad lingüística:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21...

Link al estudio científico 2:
Capacidad lingüística
http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/ab...
2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat*=cr_pub%3dpubmed&&&

Link al estudio científico 3:
Cáncer de mama
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?
term=electromagnetic+field+reduce+the+ef*ficacy+of+Tamoxifen

Link al estudio científico 4:
Pacientes con eczema atópico y dermatitis empeoran su condición bajo la exposición de las microondas del móvil.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12...

Estudio realizado por el científico Hajime Kimata en Japón
http://www.karger.com/Article/Abstrac...

Link al estudio científico 5:
alteración del ADN de ratas expuestas a un teléfono móvil
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/86...

Link al estudio científico 6:
Daño permanente al ADN
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23...

Link al estudio científico 7:
Reflex Study: alteración del ADN:
http://www.verum-foundation.com/proje...

Link al estudio científico 8:
Ondas electromagnéticas alteran el crecimiento de ciertas plantas
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic...

Link al estudio científico 9:
El WI-FI afecta la calidad del esperma.
http://www.fertstert.org/article/S001...

Bioinitiative Report:
Compilación de más de 4000 informes científicos que alertan sobre el peligro de las ondas electromagnéticas para el ser humano y el medio ambiente...
http://www.bioinitiative.org/
http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/w...

INFORME BIOINITIATIVE 2012: RESUMEN Y CONCLUSIONES EN ESPAÑOL
http://www.avaate.org/spip.php?articl...

Un nuevo informe preparado por el Grupo de Trabajo BioInitiative 2012 concluye que
la evidencia de riesgos para la salud de los campos electromagnéticos y las tecnologías inalámbricas (radiación de radiofrecuencias) ha aumentado sustancialmente desde 2007. El informe revisa aproximadamente 1800 estudios científicos nuevos / BIOINITIATIVE REPORT

2012: A new report by the BioInitiative Working Group 2012 says that evidence for risks

to health has substantially increased since 2007 from electromagnetic fields and wireless technologies (radiofrequency radiation). The Report reviews over 1800 new scientific studies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsQ2I41Wp70
 

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The Government insists Wi-Fi is safe, but this Panorama investigation shows that radio frequency radiation levels in some schools are up to three times the level found in the main beam of intensity from mobile phone masts.

Wi-Fi Dangers - BBC Panorama pt 2 of 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewdikNQhjUo
 

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Architect is pretty much an authority here. He is pretty talented.

Authority in this thread or on this forum? :confused:

Also Muir, I just went to join in on the EU discussion happening on INFJf, but all my posting privileges have been removed.

I can hand on heart state that I haven't broken any rules or pissed off any mods afaik, lol.

DAFUQ MAN.

Hopefully it's an error an not what happened to you! lol
 

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Authority in this thread or on this forum? :confused:

Also Muir, I just went to join in on the EU discussion happening on INFJf, and all my posting privileges have been removed.

I can hand on heart state that I haven't broken any rules or pissed off any mods afaik, lol.

DAFUQ MAN.

Hopefully it's an error an not what happened to you! lol

i'm sorry to hear that sinny

The limitation with forums is that the staff are human beings and have their own points of view

It takes a high degree of maturity for a staff member to remain objective in administering a forum and lets face it many people fail to do that

So what often happens is that if a person says something a staff member doesn't like or if they debate with that staff member then that persons card is marked

The staff member resolves to get revenge or to remove posting privileges from that person

Through this method the staff member hopes to remove any opinion from their environment that does not align with their own opinion

So in the case of the INFJ forum i was infracted without warning after posting about how endocrine disruptors affect DNA and have a gender bending effect

I mentioned Bisphenol A and pthalates and how bisphenol A is often in the plastic used for babies milk bottles and enters baby boys and how this is having effects on people for example lowering sperm counts across the west

I was then instantly double infracted without warning or explanation. The member of staff who infracted me had also dissapeared off the forum

Of course i was upset to be infracted but my main concer was for the staff member because i was concerned that i might have said something that had upset him

The forum had a much loved member on it who i really liked and who was the second person to speak to me on that forum; he greated me kindly like he greated all people who came to the forum and made them feel welcome

One day that forum member dissapeared, went to a beach and shot himself

He had been taking meds and these can be problematic. I read his blog after hearing the news and realised that he had been struggling emotionally

I don't tend to read peoples blogs as i prefer discussing issues and try to avoid getting bogged down in forum drama.

But because i wasn't looking at his blog i saw no signs that he was struggling in his life and if i had known i would have tried to help him

Apart from his blog he gave no indication of his problems

So when that staff member had that reaction to my post i was worried for him and when i was finally able to post again i asked the staff if that staff member was ok

I then went and read his blog to find out if there was any indication that he was dealing with any emotional shit in his life. He began writing in his blog about how he was transgender

So the lightbulb in my head went...i realised that the reason he double infracted me without warning or explanation was because he was offended by my post about endocrine disruptors

to be clear i said NOTHING against transgender people and i respect peoples choices and have nothing against LGBT

All i did was to say that i believed people were being affected by chemicals that were being put into our environment that have only been put there relatively recently; i did this in the same way that i have spoken about vaccines and wifi

I'm an INFJ....i care about what's happening in the world...i research it and i share what i learn because i feel a social responsiblity to do so

Someone then started a thread about transgender and i said i believed it must be hard to be transgender and that people should be sympathetic and mindful that some trasngender people commit suicide

But i did also then qualify that statement by saying that i believed that endocrine disruptors were gender bending people

The thread was then shut down by that staff member and i was banned shortly after under the excuse that i was 'derailing' threads

I had some enemies on the forum after 5 years of debates and they were only too happy to accept that verdict

But do you know what comment i was banned for?

It was thread about peoples idols. Someone said that their idol was margaret thatcher.....now being an INFJ i assess things through a moralistic framework so i pointed out to that person that thatcher had knowingly harboured pedophiles in her government (that's all public now and is fact)

I was then permanently banned by the staff member who had double infracted me shortly before after 5 years on the forum and many reps and thumbs up from members many of which expressed their support for what i was saying on a variety of topics and who appreciated the info i was sharing especially as many of the predictions i made came true

In fact the most recent prediction i made on that forum was the flooding of europe with migrants. I posted about that then it happened.

I knew the guy was going to ban me though because of how he was behaving towards me so i composed a load of posts that laid out what was going on in the world and i posted them in two of my threads so that after i was gone people could still benefit from the info in them

But those posts were all deleted when i was banned!

Other posts have been deleted over the years and my blog there became like swiss cheese it was so heavily sabotaged!

So right there you have an example of being censored because i was saying things the staff member didn't agree with

But if we are being poisoned then that is information that is in the public interest to know and as an INFJ that is the kind of stuff i want to talk about

As for the accusation of 'derailment' in my experience people start crying 'derailment' when they are losing a debate

Also INFJ's look at the world in an expansive way because intuition builds up a framework like a puzzle of pieces that get fed in to produce a picture

For this reason INFJ's connect dots and this is how they are able to make the intuitive leaps that they do

You can't have an INFJ forum where people can't explain things expansively because that is not how INFJ's minds work!

And i think that that forum suffers from a lack of INFJ's. I saw many being pushed off the forum by aggressive territoriality from non INFJ's and i decided to dig my heels in and hold my ground not only to ensure an INFJ viewpoint existed on the forum but also to encoruage more INFJ's to stick around

This is because when i took an online test that told me i was something called an 'INFJ' it made a lot of sense of how my life had been upto that point, where i had found myself to be a minority within the human species (INFJ males and INTJ females are the rarest types). It was with a lot of excitment that i joined that forum to find out what a place full of INFJ's would be like. However what i found was something very different

It's not an INFJ forum. Most the people there are not INFJ's it was started by people who weren't INFJ's, it's run by people who aren't INFJ's and most of the time the INFJ's were mocked and their viewpoints derided

I noticed two types of INFJ hater. There were those who said that INFJ's weren;t rare and that in fact most people were INFJ's and then there were those that denied INFJ's even existed!

lol

they either wanted to deny our existence or water down our experience but either way they were seeking to invalidate us and marginalise us on what was supposed to be our forum

Anyway....as an INFJ i am used to being persecuted....that has been my prevailing life experience and i do not expect it to change. It hasn't broken me...it has only made me more defiant

So don;t worry about it sinny...it does seem like there is little justice in the world at times but you're doing good work here and you are appreciated so keep it up!

The things we are speaking about are going mainstream and as you know the world will onyl change for the better when enough people acknowledge these things and choose to proactively engage with it

As for the people at the INFJ forum...i'm sorry i didn't get a chance to say goodbye and i wish EVERYONE there all the best on their own journey

No hard feelings...and no regrets.....i spoke honestly and went down swinging

(although the duffas who tagged one of my threads as 'rightwingnutjob' should get a custard pie in the face for their ignorance...i am left wing...but i am a libertarian lefty. I believe in decentralised power but i also believe in community. I believe a balance needs to be struck)
 

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So, anyway.. I ain't no scientist.. Can you lay my concerns to rest?

Watch Kill Bill instead of worrying about WIFI, it's a better use of your time.

We can talk about it for a few hours or a day but it's not worth it. A simple consideration of the levels we're talking about will make it clear. Namely WIFI is some mW over some mS, or about a 4th or 5th order effect. Slipping in your bathtub has about the same chance of killing you so why aren't you worrying about that? Or the amount of (naturally) occuring radioactive potassium in the bananas your eating? Or from the concrete surrounding you in your end of the world bunker?

I used to work in a nuclear radiation lab. We'd take these expensive detectors cooled to liquid nitro temperatures and calibrate out the noise. You know the biggest source of radiation? All the concrete surrounding us, it was huge. Just point one of them at the wall and you'd see it, or heck just a dumb Geiger counter would give you a nice white noise.

But what's the point? Go ahead and worry; you will anyhow. When we talk about evolution people think about 'cavemen' but that's wrong; we're decended from hirsute simians. Compare your average ape to say a lion, tiger or bear. See a difference? The LT&B don't give a shit, they can handle anything. The ape is the one constantly shitting bricks because they're the weak ones. Which is probably why we developed intelligence and now eat LT&B for breakfast.

So worry, go ahead, worry about WIFI, or GMO's, or aliens or secret conspiracies, nothing I say will make any difference.
 

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Watch Kill Bill instead of worrying about WIFI, it's a better use of your time.

We can talk about it for a few hours or a day but it's not worth it. A simple consideration of the levels we're talking about will make it clear. Namely WIFI is some mW over some mS, or about a 4th or 5th order effect. Slipping in your bathtub has about the same chance of killing you so why aren't you worrying about that? Or the amount of (naturally) occuring radioactive potassium in the bananas your eating? Or from the concrete surrounding you in your end of the world bunker?

I used to work in a nuclear radiation lab. We'd take these expensive detectors cooled to liquid nitro temperatures and calibrate out the noise. You know the biggest source of radiation? All the concrete surrounding us, it was huge. Just point one of them at the wall and you'd see it, or heck just a dumb Geiger counter would give you a nice white noise.

But what's the point? Go ahead and worry; you will anyhow. When we talk about evolution people think about 'cavemen' but that's wrong; we're decended from hirsute simians. Compare your average ape to say a lion, tiger or bear. See a difference? The LT&B don't give a shit, they can handle anything. The ape is the one constantly shitting bricks because they're the weak ones. Which is probably why we developed intelligence and now eat LT&B for breakfast.

So worry, go ahead, worry about WIFI, or GMO's, or aliens or secret conspiracies, nothing I say will make any difference.

Okay, you were anything but convincing.

I'll watch Kill Bill and worry, cuz I'm sick like that.
 

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Wi-Fi should be safe when operating under proposed guidelines for frequency emission, no?

You mention micro waves but isn't WiFi propogated through radio waves?

Furthermore I thought radio waves were relatively harmless in general compared to UV, gamma and Xrays?


I would like to link this though, pulled from OSHA:
http://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2011/pdfs/pr208_E.pdf

IARC CLASSIFIES RADIOFREQUENCY ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS AS
POSSIBLY CARCINOGENIC TO HUMANS

Dr Jonathan Samet (University of Southern California, USA), overall Chairman of the Working Group, indicated that "the evidence, while still accumulating, is strong enough to support a conclusion and the 2B classification. The conclusion means that there could be some risk, and therefore we need to keep a close watch for a link between cell phones and cancer risk."​

I do believe agents of the Military Industrial Congressional Complex cannot be trusted to be humane 100%, but these sort of risks are sometimes things you have to take a chance on in the name of technological progress. Decades down the line we should know whether WiFi and cellphones were causes of cancer, but military and government abuse is a separate matter that can be addressed by demanding forcing bureaucratic transparency.
 

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OMG, we're all going to die.

I for one, am not that lucky.

(She says)


I've actually been scaring myself these days because it seems like I have so many negative premonitions.. and not just me, but everyone. When I think negative things, they happen. Call it coincidence.. but these coincidences have happened far too often.

These days.. I try not to think.. Because the things I think happen.. and I think some horrible things.. I tempt fate, the worst kind of fate. I flirt with it, and it reciprocates.

Not long ago last year my aunt (in law) went to the photo shop and got a combined picture printed of my Nan (passed), Grandad (passed), eldest Uncle (passed) - together with my youngest aunt (Not passed). She gave all the other aunts and uncles a copy of that particular picture - just 'randomly', as a Christmas gift from herself and my uncle, to the family...

.. Fast forward a month or so later and my youngest aunt suddenly passes.

Now everybody has a copy of this picture of everyone in the close family unit wgo has departed us. They can't help but feel that picture was an omen. Eldest son, youngest daughter. With their Ma, and with their Da.


I can't help but ruminate on what the gnostics say.. the hidden laws of nature, the power of thought. What we will, what we manifest, what we desire, and what we create. Our blind intent... because we're not in control of it. 

All my family are Roman Catholics, and when you walk into each and every member of my family's houses, they each have alters and shrines, in commemoration of the dead. They abide by strict Catholic rituals.. Candle's permanently lit, Hail Mary's and the Lord's Prayer... etc, etc.

I find the Catholic faith repulsive in all it's hypocrisy... But I find comfort and solace in the rituals which seem to bring me closer to alternative realms. Despite the farce that is Christianity.. time and time again I find myself participating in such rituals .. and finding solace, and comfort.

A shrine for the dead. What is this place?? And why does it make me feel so grounded?
 

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Wi-Fi should be safe when operating under proposed guidelines for frequency emission, no?

You mention micro waves but isn't WiFi propogated through radio waves?

Furthermore I thought radio waves were relatively harmless in general compared to UV, gamma and Xrays?


I would like to link this though, pulled from OSHA:
http://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2011/pdfs/pr208_E.pdf

IARC CLASSIFIES RADIOFREQUENCY ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS AS
POSSIBLY CARCINOGENIC TO HUMANS
Dr Jonathan Samet (University of Southern California, USA), overall Chairman of the Working Group, indicated that "the evidence, while still accumulating, is strong enough to support a conclusion and the 2B classification. The conclusion means that there could be some risk, and therefore we need to keep a close watch for a link between cell phones and cancer risk."​
I do believe agents of the Military Industrial Congressional Complex cannot be trusted to be humane 100%, but these sort of risks are sometimes things you have to take a chance on in the name of technological progress. Decades down the line we should know whether WiFi and cellphones were causes of cancer, but military and government abuse is a separate matter that can be addressed by demanding forcing bureaucratic transparency.

Radiofrequency (RF) radiation, which includes radio waves and microwaves, is at the low-energy end of the electromagnetic spectrum. It is a type of non-ionizing radiation. Non-ionizing radiation has enough energy to move atoms in a molecule around or cause them to vibrate, but not enough to ionize (remove charged particles such as electrons). RF radiation has lower energy than some other types of non-ionizing radiation, like visible light and infrared, but it has higher energy than extremely low-frequency (ELF) radiation.
If RF radiation is absorbed in large enough amounts by materials containing water, such as food, fluids, and body tissues, it can produce heat. This can lead to burns and tissue damage. Although RF radiation does not cause cancer by damaging DNA in cells the way ionizing radiation does, there has been concern that some forms of non-ionizing radiation might have biological effects that could result in cancer in some circumstances.
How are people exposed to RF radiation?

WiFi and Bluetooth



http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/radiationexposureandcancer/radiofrequency-radiation




Wifi, Microwaves and the Consequences to our Health - Barrie Trower

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z99_SzoXZdY
 

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Watch Kill Bill instead of worrying about WIFI, it's a better use of your time.

We can talk about it for a few hours or a day but it's not worth it. A simple consideration of the levels we're talking about will make it clear. Namely WIFI is some mW over some mS, or about a 4th or 5th order effect. Slipping in your bathtub has about the same chance of killing you so why aren't you worrying about that? Or the amount of (naturally) occuring radioactive potassium in the bananas your eating? Or from the concrete surrounding you in your end of the world bunker?

I used to work in a nuclear radiation lab. We'd take these expensive detectors cooled to liquid nitro temperatures and calibrate out the noise. You know the biggest source of radiation? All the concrete surrounding us, it was huge. Just point one of them at the wall and you'd see it, or heck just a dumb Geiger counter would give you a nice white noise.

But what's the point? Go ahead and worry; you will anyhow. When we talk about evolution people think about 'cavemen' but that's wrong; we're decended from hirsute simians. Compare your average ape to say a lion, tiger or bear. See a difference? The LT&B don't give a shit, they can handle anything. The ape is the one constantly shitting bricks because they're the weak ones. Which is probably why we developed intelligence and now eat LT&B for breakfast.

So worry, go ahead, worry about WIFI, or GMO's, or aliens or secret conspiracies, nothing I say will make any difference.

so your advice is for people to dumb themselves down, go back to sleep, not ask any questions and go and watch bad movies instead?

wow....ok..... i won't be taking your advice
 

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OMG, we're all going to die.

that doesn't need to happen

but the world is a potentially dangerous place and has always been that way

Our hunter gatherer ancestors had to know which plants were poisonous and which they could eat so that they didn't die

it is the same today. We have to know what is good for us and what isn't.

Think of an obvious example ie smoking. For decades corporations and governments hid information from the public that showed that smoking was harmful but now people accept that as widely accepted fact

Corporations and governments used to give pregnant mothers thalidomide but after many deformities in their offspring it is now widely accepted that it was a dangerous drug

It is the same with all the banned substances

But corporations and governments haven't stopped exposing people to toxic things

So we have to be vigilent and we have to be wise; we have to speak up about dangers so that these thinsg are banned and our environment becomes safer because we cannot trust profit hunting corporations or corrupt governments to look out for our best interests

To protect yourself turn off the wifi from your router and use an ethernet cable instead; also educate other people so that society can then take the steps it needs to take to protect itself in the same way that it did with thalidomide
 

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It seems that more and more people are developing diabetes. The following clip suggests a link between some cases of diabetes and ecltro-sensitivity.

If this is the case it should certainly be investigated before SMART meters are rolled out anymore; the clip contains a description of a test people with diabetes can do to test if their bodies blood sugar levels are related to electrosensitivity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJcM6RZwyfA
 

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Yes, diabetes has nothing to do with rising obesity rates that's just a cover up for the wifi diabetes depopulation plot... sorry, I couldn't resist.

On the topic of WiFi I find it more likely that the mere fact that one is being tested would elevate the blood sugar levels. Were the tests blind tests? In one of the tests he "moved away from the computer" which would calm someone with a fear of electromagnetism down and thus lower blood sugar levels.

Personally I like Wikipedia and this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivity

Pretty much sums up my view, I find psychological issues related to electromagnetic exposure far more likely than actual issues(actual issues on a noticeable scale would be hard to hide considering the global exposure.
 

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Yes, diabetes has nothing to do with rising obesity rates that's just a cover up for the wifi diabetes depopulation plot... sorry, I couldn't resist.

On the topic of WiFi I find it more likely that the mere fact that one is being tested would elevate the blood sugar levels. Were the tests blind tests? In one of the tests he "moved away from the computer" which would calm someone with a fear of electromagnetism down and thus lower blood sugar levels.

Personally I like Wikipedia and this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivity

Pretty much sums up my view, I find psychological issues related to electromagnetic exposure far more likely than actual issues(actual issues on a noticeable scale would be hard to hide considering the global exposure.

I have no doubt that diet is having an effect on diabetes levels but the question being asked in the video is whether there are also cases of peoples blood/sugar levels beign disrupted through elctrosensitivity....we are electrical beings

But there are so many factors at play here which is why i have created a raft of threads recently which all seem to trace back to the same people for example monsanto and bill gates

We have wifi being pushed on society, geoengineering, vaccines, endocrine disruptors and GMO's all being pushed onto the public aggressively by the corporate network despite independent scientists warning of the dangers of all these things

Bare in mind that the corporations are also manufacturing all that processed food and fizzy drinks which you are blaming for the diabetes
 

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Yes, and for most of those things there probably aren't grand conspiracies specifically to hurt people involved. Just normal capitalistic opportunism and wanting to make money.

We are electrical beings but like a computer the signals we send have relatively high differences in an isolated environment, it would take a lot for it to be disrupted with electrical fields. And the small variation that it could cause is highly unlikely to have a consistent and major effect like doubling our blood sugar levels(and things of this nature have been consistently disproven in blind tests), that's a fairly complex biological operation we are talking about.
 

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well...when the people behind all these things are also speaking publically about population reduction eg bill gates.....

Concerning the disruption to the human electrical being we are now bombarded with various fields of radiation

Existence of Electrosensitivity (IEI-EMF):


  • The WHO accepts the existence of Electrosensitivity (IEI-EMF) and states that its symptoms are real and can be disabling (WHO Backgrounder 296, 2005). However the hypothesis of this outdated Backgrounder on the cause of the symptoms is confused and invalidated (see below).
  • The WHO's group ICNIRP accepts electrosensitivity symptoms as caused by electromagnetic exposure (2010 and 2014 guidelines).

    WiFi includes 10 Hz frequencies and cellphones often include similar low frequencies such as 237 Hz, not just radio frequency and
    microwaves.

    These low frequencies are the most biologically active frequencies for many body processes and functions.

    Such frequencies are also responsible for established electrosensitivity symptoms caused by geomagnetic disturbances.

    "The integrative properties of the nervous tissue of the CNS may render it, and therefore functions such as cognitive processes like memory, sensitive to the effects of these physiologically weak electric fields ... 10–20 Hz electric fields, above the threshold for retinal phosphenes, can interact with ongoing rhythmic electrical activity in the visual and motor cortices and slightly affect visual processing and motor co-ordination ... slowing of hand movement during task performance, which was consistent with an increased synchronization of 20 Hz motor cortex activity ... people employed in electrical occupations might have an increased risk for ALS ... it is reasonable for workers voluntarily and knowingly to experience transient effects such as retinal phosphenes and possible minor changes in some brain functions, since they are not believed to result in long term or pathological health effects ... These restrictions should also prevent any possible transient effects on brain function. These effects are not considered to be adverse health effects; however, ICNIRP recognizes that they may be disturbing in some occupational circumstances and should be avoided but no additional reduction factor is applied." (ICNIRP Guidelines for limiting exposure to time-varying electric and magnetic fields (1 Hz - 100 kHz), 2010)
  • "The movement-induced electric field in the head may be high enough to evoke vertigo and other sensory perceptions such as nausea, visual sensations (magnetophosphenes) and a metallic taste in the mouth ... There is also the possibility of acute neurocognitive effects, with subtle changes in attention, concentration and visuospatial orientation ... All these effects are not considered to be hazardous per se, but they can be disturbing and may impair working ability ... All of the subjects reported mild or severe vertigo sensations and some even experienced nausea with rapid movements ... Like vertigo and nausea, magnetophosphenes may be annoying and disturbing, but they are not considered to cause serious long-term health effects." ​(ICNIRP Guidelines for limiting exposure to electric fields induced by movement of the human body in a static magnetic field and by time-varying magnetic fields below 1 Hz, 2014)
  • Non-thermal electrosensitivity symptoms are now widely accepted. Under the European Commission's Directive 2013/35/EU on physical agents (electromagnetic fields) (2013) employers are legally required to report their occurrence in workers.
http://www.electrosensitivity.co/world-health-organisation.html
 

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I'll say it is right but the reason is that humans are living very sub optimally. Nowadays it is not so much about environmental toxins than couple of decades ago. The reason (of which WiFi partially enables) is that we are not biologically wired for our life style.
 
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