Why INTPs & INFPs Should Confer with INFJs or INTJs

[Architect]

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Why INTPs & INFPs Should Confer with INFJs or INTJs

Interestingly he notes the INFP/INTJ is a great combination, something I've not heard or noticed before. What a combination, the ultimate space cadet with the dry scientist.

 

[Cherry Cola]

If only he'd included the INJ perspective too! Why should INJs confer with INPs?

INTJ+INFP is indeed a curious combination. I can see it working great if they get past the early stages, but it feels like it's likely that they'll clash and end up hating each other, whereas INFJs and INTPs will get along fine from the beginning.

 

[Architect]

If only he'd included the INJ perspective too! Why should INJs confer with INPs?

In my experience it's because we offer alternative and wide perspectives. My Ni 'dive deep' INFJ wife will despair of the things she comes up with (problems of the poor, of nations, etc). I'll come in with a wide historical and topical perspective that reassures here that while there are problems with X (e.g. the poor), from a big perspective things have been worse and they're getting better (for example).

That's INFJ's/INFP's, INTJ's/INTP's is a less successful relationship in my experience, no doubt due to the NT proximity. But still I think they benefit from our global perspective.

 

[StevenM]

From my rare experience, the INFJ I knew thought I was rather immature in a certain kind of way. Can't argue with that (An INFJ deduced this after all), and plus I did have problems getting my feet off the ground.

Taking advice or support from me (or listening to my ideas) seemed silly to the INFJ, afterall, what experience do I have with living a successful life? How much experience do I have with social conduct, and relationships?

Could I really provide the luxurious life that an INFJ craves? Can I meet the INFJ's whims for some pretty damn crazy experiences?

I'm wondering when considering how fast INTP's get off the ground in life compared to INFJ's, how likely they can meet on equal footing. Where they are on the same level.

 

[Oddity]

INTJ+INFP is indeed a curious combination. I can see it working great if they get past the early stages, but it feels like it's likely that they'll clash and end up hating each other, whereas INFJs and INTPs will get along fine from the beginning.

No kiddin'. Who can get along with Te users?

 

[Pyropyro]

I prefer INTJ minders/advisers to INFJ ones. INFJ's simply tell me I'm wrong. INTJ's point out where I was wrong.

 

[StevenM]

I heard something interesting from an INTJ. She told me that she despises people who think they are smart, act and talk smart, but actually have no idea what they are talking about. She hates the arrogance, and behaviour of people who try to act 'cooler' than they actually are. I believe she goes out in the world, with a motto on the forefront of her mind: "I'm totally surrounded by idiots". Idiots being know-it-all's, condescending savants who think they are intelligent about things which they really don't know anything about.

(Sorry for the nasty description. I asked a lot of questions, and this is how I describe her mindset)

Which kinda makes sense why some INTJ's might prefer relationships with INFP's, and have less respect for INTP's. Based on my understanding, an INFP is mostly modest and has a good deal of humility, especially when it comes to intelligence. Mostly, an INFP doesn't try to act smart or 'cool'.

It also explains why I get the coldest looks from her when I try to debate one of her ideas...lol. I've learned just to shut my mouth now if I disagree with something she says.

 

[del]

Michael Pierce (an INFJ) just put up a YouTube video on this topic. He's pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LytDckof8v0

 

[ZenRaiden]

I say its actually good to be blind to certain things. It doesnt keep you down and gets you of the ground. At some point an INTP has to stop and rethink stuff, but I rather find my own way of looking things than accept someone elses view. Its better that way. Waaay better results and waaay better results over time. I operate on my own. I dont think its purely introvert thing. Its a matter of creativity, vision and perspective and value judgmenet based of ones own values. Here the INTJ can help a lot, but they have their perspective and its also rather limited in so many ways. INTJs for me are way too realistic. Sometimes its better to be less realistic and keep your balance more on the abstract terms of problems, that way INTPs squeeze more out of their intellect and it comes naturally.

Also I dont see a reason to ask advice of INTJs. I think sensors can do a better job at keeping in check with reality. My brother is ISTP and hes just as good in conversation. I just have to keep in back of my mind that he doesnt like the abstract ideas so much, but I feed him my Si the facts and he responds to them well. We kind of converse on a Sensor level. Facts and what I know. It helps me to sharpen the mind and keep information more organized so I can use them in real world where people operate on sensory level.

edit + INTJs are quick to dismiss things so I dont like that about them. They are likely to discuss things 'logically' but after few turns you realize they got nothing more, but dismissal. They dont think that far ahead. If they did they would probably be more mature INTJs that have it figured out on more decent level, but how many mature INTJs can you meet in life?

 

[TBerg]

So, the article doesn't present a flattering picture of NPs. How do NPs compliment NJs?

 

[Oddity]

So, the article doesn't present a flattering picture of NPs.

Neither does any article, really.

It's very difficult to escape the Ni-worship and general bias in favor of J's in MBTI related articles (as well as in real life). It's usually considered that Introverted Perceiving (or just Ni, if not Pi in general) tries to look at the "big picture" of all the user's unconscious internal information — but Ne is considered to be merely a generator of random, barely connected ideas that goes off in stupid directions and doesn't do anything useful compared to those mighty J types (especially TJs). Rather than obviously serving the complementary purpose, that Ne is about looking at the "big picture" of unconscious external information and seeing all the connections between external things and trying to build a whole, consistent picture of the external world. They think that while Ni sort of snowballs by putting unconscious internal information together into one picture, Ne is basically just one long slideshow of random pictures that just lead from one into another with no apparent connection between them.

I guess it's just a reflection of how J types tend to view P types.

 

[ae1905]

Neither does any article, really.

It's very difficult to escape the Ni-worship and general bias in favor of J's in MBTI related articles (as well as in real life). It's usually considered that Introverted Perceiving (or just Ni, if not Pi in general) tries to look at the "big picture" of all the user's unconscious internal information — but Ne is considered to be merely a generator of random, barely connected ideas that goes off in stupid directions and doesn't do anything useful compared to those mighty J types (especially TJs). Rather than obviously serving the complementary purpose, that Ne is about looking at the "big picture" of unconscious external information and seeing all the connections between external things and trying to build a whole, consistent picture of the external world. They think that while Ni sort of snowballs by putting unconscious internal information together into one picture, Ne is basically just one long slideshow of random pictures that just lead from one into another with no apparent connection between them.

I guess it's just a reflection of how J types tend to view P types.

Ni doesn't assemble all subconscious impressions into one picture, not in the sense a scientific theory comprehensively explains a large set of phenomena. Ni simply spits out isolated insights into specific situations and in a random manner. To build anything like a theory, an Ni user would still need to use Te or Ti.

So if an Ni user claims to "see everything" he us full of shit.