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Who bought those toys and drinks?

are you actually being that dense or do you realize the trickery and sinister intelligence behind that marketing ploy? come on, mcdonalds is somewhat culpable for zeroing in on a childs vulnerability.
 

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thehmmmmm - this is not only personal offense we are talking about, it is also a money matter. if eighty million fatties are on the same insurance plan, then would not premiums go up for everyone else to pay for their heart surgeries, gastric bypass, and diabetes medications? if people were not interconnected financially - as they definitely are - then the righteousness would be unwarranted.
 

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Under the assumption that exercise is fun, sure. Unfortunately, not everyone shares your delight in running around, particularly those in the southwest where it's hot as hell for 3/4 of the year.

Honestly, better question than the OP is why does anybody care? For hell's sake if they wanna be fat then by golly let them be fat. I mean can't the moral indignation of the users of this forum be better spent somewhere else? Does it REALLY affect you all that much, or at least any more than some other triviality in life?
Well, since 4.6%–15.2% of the total number of deaths in America it's for everyones good that fatties ain't bein' fat. (I mean, seriously, 1/3 of all deaths in America (if one goes with the higher possible value of fattie deaths) are caused by tobacco and overweight, that is just ridiculous!)
 

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Well, since 4.6%–15.2% of the total number of deaths in America it's for everyones good that fatties ain't bein' fat. (I mean, seriously, 1/3 of all deaths in America (if one goes with the higher possible value of fattie deaths) are caused by tobacco and overweight, that is just ridiculous!)

yes, death by his own hand, and the bear claw!

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Under the assumption that exercise is fun, sure. Unfortunately, not everyone shares your delight in running around, particularly those in the southwest where it's hot as hell for 3/4 of the year.

Honestly, better question than the OP is why does anybody care? For hell's sake if they wanna be fat then by golly let them be fat. I mean can't the moral indignation of the users of this forum be better spent somewhere else? Does it REALLY affect you all that much, or at least any more than some other triviality in life?

But, to answer the question in a way that many people have already responded, it became the norm when society became sedentary. Food is cheap and societal contributions are more done from the comfort of a desk chair. Other factors such as stress eating also contribute. If you wanted a sure-fire way to cut obesity, you could always revert to a hunter-gatherer social structure. Other than that, you'll have to wait for some miraculous scientific discovery that burns weight to become mainstream, like hCG shots. We're sure as hell not going to revolutionize humanity into an active species. It's just so damn inconvenient.
I agree with the reasons for being "over"weight. Those are the reasons. We could call it, "lifestyle." That's the way it is.

I was joking about enjoying exercise over eating. I was just reversing what SpaceYeti said. One can enjoy or specialize in anything. It's amoral unless self-destructive. One can even contradict typus (if he is anti-fat), that it makes little difference. One can enjoy eating. However there are many health arguments against carrying extra unused weight.
 

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I agree with the reasons for being "over"weight. Those are the reasons. We could call it, "lifestyle." That's the way it is.

I was joking about enjoying exercise over eating. I was just reversing what SpaceYeti said. One can enjoy or specialize in anything. It's amoral unless self-destructive. One can even contradict typus (if he is anti-fat), that it makes little difference. One can enjoy eating. However there are many health arguments against carrying extra unused weight.

amoral? broski, are you intp?
 

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How does one occupy one's time? If one is sitting quietly in a room and continues the quiet "activity", eating fits right in. It is quiet. If one is out there moving, there is less time to eat.

I find I weigh more in the winter than the summer the last few years. That is because I don't wish to gain weight and in the summer I'm outdoors doing a lot of physical stuff. That means when I come inside for eating I eat only because I'm hungry, not because I have to fill an empty space.

Put another way, purposeful exercise is fun and eating for the sake of eating is not.
Perhaps not for you, but for everyone else, your claims are pure BS.
 

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are you actually being that dense or do you realize the trickery and sinister intelligence behind that marketing ploy? come on, mcdonalds is somewhat culpable for zeroing in on a childs vulnerability.
Good for them. The parents are still the guys who actually pay money for the food and then give it to their children, though.
 

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Good for them. The parents are still the guys who actually pay money for the food and then give it to their children, though.

just because the parents are idiots does not mean the youngsters should suffer in the name of corporate greed. are you using this as a dialectic only or measuring your thoughts up to reality; it seems like the former.
 

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My original post was related to adult obesity mainly. Adult bodies work differently from childrens bodies. We have different metabolisms. While we have stopped growing in many ways children are only beginning to grow and for this reason they have different dietary needs.

cavillier - if a child is obese automatically blame the parents? right, it has nothing to do with the toys, the clown, and sugar laden drinks from mcdonalds. our society promotes food as recreation and not as nourishment or fuel.

Yup. Who is it that decides during a child's early years (I'm thinking from birth to about 5th grade) what that child eats, does, and what sort of societal norms they conform to? The parents make the choices and if they say they have no control because of the "trickery and sinister intelligence" behind McDonalds then the parents are either idiots or they are failing as parents. I wasn't overweight as a kid because my parents kicked my ass out the door for several hours each day and my mother made sure I ate entirely home cooked meals (not tv dinners) with lots of veggies and fruit despite working a 40 hour work week. (Alright, she had some help from my father though he worked a 40 hour work week as well.) Short of medical health problems there's few excuses for allowing your child to be overweight before the age of 12.

And guess what? I had ice-cream and video games too! However, most of the times my parents made sure I ate healthy foods and got lots of exercise. It's not as if you can't have a hamburger once in a while. However, an obese child has had more than a hamburger once in a while.

are you actually being that dense or do you realize the trickery and sinister intelligence behind that marketing ploy? come on, mcdonalds is somewhat culpable for zeroing in on a childs vulnerability.

Parents are not personally responsible for what they put in their kid's face? That is the perfect example of victimization. It's not my fault! It's those nasty horrible fast food marketing executives! Bastards! It's like they are holding a gun to my head!

McDonald's just gives the people what they want. I refuse to blame them for filling peoples bellies for what they demand. If people want to escape the "trickery and sinister intelligence" of McDonalds they need to stop going to the drive through and start focusing on healthier ways of eating and exercising.
 

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just because the parents are idiots does not mean the youngsters should suffer in the name of corporate greed. are you using this as a dialectic only or measuring your thoughts up to reality; it seems like the former.

What would you have done about this? Outlaw hamburgers for our own good? Or are you suggesting better education in schools about dietary choices?
 

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Well, since 4.6%–15.2% of the total number of deaths in America it's for everyones good that fatties ain't bein' fat. (I mean, seriously, 1/3 of all deaths in America (if one goes with the higher possible value of fattie deaths) are caused by tobacco and overweight, that is just ridiculous!)

Not sure I even buy your statistics, but so what? They die. They're probably well-aware of the risks of obesity. If they're not (which I find inconceivable in a society obsessed with trimming down) then I don't really feel to sorry for them. The only overweight people who gain my sympathies are children raised by lazy parents unwilling to cook a damn meal at home.

I don't see how you transitioned from "fatties die from being fat" to "it's in EVERYONE'S best interest". Why does "everyone" care? I'm also confused as to your math (4.6-15.2% is a HUGE range when talking about mortality).

Tobacco's a whole 'nother animal. I don't like smoking simply because I don't like smelling it. Also, it there are observable hazards it poses to innocent peoples' health due to second-hand, unlike obesity.

So...yeah.
 

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cavillier - "Parents are not personally responsible for what they put in their kid's face? That is the perfect example of victimization. It's not my fault! It's those nasty horrible fast food marketing executives! Bastards! It's like they are holding a gun to my head!"

pardoning your sardonic tone, this actually is not that far afield of my views. typical example, reedy, whiney kid yelping in the back seat for his coke or big mac with extra bacon or some damned thing. moms had a long day at work and would actually enjoy bypassing the dinner making process and taking a warm bath instead, so she gets the kid his coke and burger; hell, the prospect of that bath is so comforting, she supersizes the mofo. the kids munchin' away and playing with his [insert pixar film] toy and mama bear is already imagining slipping into the tub. in this scenario, whos the victim? mcdonalds made out pretty good, so did mama bear back there. oh, whats that? jimmy is 210 pounds and in fourth grade. please do not say this example is an aberration, because it would undercut your thesis and presumed impetus for starting the thread.

you asked me earlier if dietary education is needed or should be implemented in the schools. well, it seems like youve answered your own question. if its the parents domain, then what good would going to the schools do? in keeping with your worldview, the parents should be educated on the difference between toxic and nutritious foods. additionally, you gave an example from your childhood which centered around backbreaking parents sacrificing to make sure their child had wholesome food. thats great; but perhaps, by the presence of this thread, it does not exemplify the norm. also, the framework of two parents does not work for every family - especially noting that poverty is the best predictor of poor diet.
 

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Good for them. The parents are still the guys who actually pay money for the food and then give it to their children, though.

parents are weak and stupid, at least the ones who unwittingly set their kids up for failure. the kids plead, and the parents relent. mcdonalds wins, thanks for playing. the losers, for instance, are those who believe theres redeeming value to having tony the tiger on a sugary cereal box; you could replace the amiable mascot with any other and likewise with the unhealthy cereal that capitalize on a kids taste buds and sweet tooth. the box is flashy, the commercials are flashy, the parents are spineless and dumb, and the kid loses in the long term. by all means, keep defending giant corporations that only care about giant corporations. they follow the zeitgeist of the times and call it being tuned in to their customers; it was, is, and will be about money until people wise up.
 

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Not sure I even buy your statistics, but so what? They die. They're probably well-aware of the risks of obesity. If they're not (which I find inconceivable in a society obsessed with trimming down) then I don't really feel to sorry for them. The only overweight people who gain my sympathies are children raised by lazy parents unwilling to cook a damn meal at home.

I don't see how you transitioned from "fatties die from being fat" to "it's in EVERYONE'S best interest". Why does "everyone" care? I'm also confused as to your math (4.6-15.2% is a HUGE range when talking about mortality).

Tobacco's a whole 'nother animal. I don't like smoking simply because I don't like smelling it. Also, it there are observable hazards it poses to innocent peoples' health due to second-hand, unlike obesity.

So...yeah.

4.6-15.2% is what they had in the statistics (they're from a 2005 book called Obesity!), I guess it's kind of hard to determine when the weight actually was the cause of death or something? The link between "fatties die from being fat" and "it's in EVERYONE'S best interest" is in large that they are a big reason for more pressure for the healthcare, fewer places in hospitals and such and they cost a lot of tax money. (Maybe that's not the case in USA, do you even have public healthcare?)

Tobacco problem's would be severely limited by replacing cigarettes with snus! And actually, obesity is "contagious", if you are close to someone obese in a social network the risk of you getting/being fat is lots bigger!
 

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Although not a direct cause, but related to the obesity problem, is the current societal trend of discouraging people from assuming responsibility for themselves, and of encouraging them to expect short-term gratification from EVERYTHING.
These undermine long-term health-bettering efforts (LTHBE) in the following ways:
# LTHBE are, by definition, long-term. Benefits do not manifest instantly, and people may give up too early, convinced that "It didn't work." They use the wrong time-frame to evaluate the procedure.
# LTHBE require one to accept responsibility for one's bodily state. You CAN affect your body, meaning what you do has a direct effect on it, meaning you are related to the problem.* If not encouraged to do something about one's problems, it becomes easier to ask/expect other people to provide solutions. It is also emotionally more comfortable.
#LTHBE, or any kind of change, require genuine effort. People expect gratification after a given time spent trying or amount of effort contributed, and are disappointed when results do not manifest as expected. Tied to pt 1 - they are not prepared to make the effort.

*barring cases of metabolic problems and excellent fat storage genetics

This link explains pt 3 very well: http://www.cracked.com/article_18544_how-the-karate-kid-ruined-modern-world.html
 

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just because the parents are idiots does not mean the youngsters should suffer in the name of corporate greed. are you using this as a dialectic only or measuring your thoughts up to reality; it seems like the former.
Oh, sure, I'm sure most parents are just retards who don't realize McDonald's is unhealthy. Are you serious? McDonald's doesn't even put much effort into pretending their food isn't terrible for you. Further, they offer several healthier alternatives in children's menus, now. I mean, to blame a company for selling people something the company admits isn't healthy for the people buying them and, further, for those same people's inactive lifestyle such that they don't burn off the excessive calories is ludicrous. What the fuck ever happened to personal responsibility? It's not Evil Corporate Conspiracy, here, it's that people are lazy. They knowingly buy unhealthy food, and they don't exercise! It's not like the secrets to healthy living are locked away in some tower, guarded buy Evil Corporate Conspiracy elite soldiers, this shit's taught to kids in public schools! And if anyone's really interested, the food pyramid isn't much of a secret, either. You're seriously going to blame a corporation for the choices of it's patrons, even when those choices have very little, if anything, to do with the product they're selling? Seriously, guy?
 

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parents are weak and stupid, at least the ones who unwittingly set their kids up for failure. the kids plead, and the parents relent. mcdonalds wins, thanks for playing. the losers, for instance, are those who believe theres redeeming value to having tony the tiger on a sugary cereal box; you could replace the amiable mascot with any other and likewise with the unhealthy cereal that capitalize on a kids taste buds and sweet tooth. the box is flashy, the commercials are flashy, the parents are spineless and dumb, and the kid loses in the long term. by all means, keep defending giant corporations that only care about giant corporations. they follow the zeitgeist of the times and call it being tuned in to their customers; it was, is, and will be about money until people wise up.
Failures of parents are not the fault of corporations. They're the fault of themselves. They're people. Individuals with rights and freedoms granted to them. With rights and freedoms comes some responsibility. It's their fault.
 

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Oh, sure, I'm sure most parents are just retards who don't realize McDonald's is unhealthy. Are you serious? McDonald's doesn't even put much effort into pretending their food isn't terrible for you. Further, they offer several healthier alternatives in children's menus, now. I mean, to blame a company for selling people something the company admits isn't healthy for the people buying them and, further, for those same people's inactive lifestyle such that they don't burn off the excessive calories is ludicrous. What the fuck ever happened to personal responsibility? It's not Evil Corporate Conspiracy, here, it's that people are lazy. They knowingly buy unhealthy food, and they don't exercise! It's not like the secrets to healthy living are locked away in some tower, guarded buy Evil Corporate Conspiracy elite soldiers, this shit's taught to kids in public schools! And if anyone's really interested, the food pyramid isn't much of a secret, either. You're seriously going to blame a corporation for the choices of it's patrons, even when those choices have very little, if anything, to do with the product they're selling? Seriously, guy?
So you mean like those who consume cocaine, the producers of said product are innocent and it's the consumers who should abstain knowing it's addictive and its pursuit can ruin their lives?
 

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So you mean like those who consume cocaine, the producers of said product are innocent and it's the consumers who should abstain knowing it's addictive and its pursuit can ruin their lives?
Yes, selling a chemically addictive drug to drug addicts is exactly the same thing as corporate dictators selling fat kids feasts that come with toys. Exactly the same thing. Touche, good man.

Dripping sarcasm aside, drug dealers sell their product knowing it's addictive, lying about it's ill effects, and working to increase their chemical addiction. Further, yes it is the drug addict's fault. Simply not his exclusively.
 

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Yes, selling a chemically addictive drug to drug addicts is exactly the same thing as corporate dictators selling fat kids feasts that come with toys. Exactly the same thing. Touche, good man.

Dripping sarcasm aside, drug dealers sell their product knowing it's addictive, lying about it's ill effects, and working to increase their chemical addiction. Further, yes it is the drug addict's fault. Simply not his exclusively.
So we agree it is BOTH parties "fault" -- the producers and the consumers. I propose there is more, but what could that be?
 

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... It's McDonald's fault only because they sell indiscriminately. You think they'd not get taken to court for denying their product to fat people? McD's sells a product which it does not lie about and is not addictive. If someone gets fat eating it, it's entirely their fault, or the fault of the person buying the food for them.
 

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@Snafu: Alright, what I really want to know is what would you have be done about this whole "it's McDonald's fault" thing? I'm honestly curious. I asked this before and offered a couple of potential answers but that question got buried under your defense of your position. So I ask it again:

How do you combat the fast food industry if it is (at least partially) to blame for the rising obesity rate?
 

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Its actually healthy to be slightly overweight and very unhealthy to be underwieight. Im slightly overweight. Id hate to be small. But anyway, people are getting fat because of technology and the availabilty of food in our fast paced lives. Life is TOO easy for us. Soon where all gonna have friggin robotic leg chair things. Technology is aimed at making things easier, so in the next 10 years, who knows what kind of amazing technology could come out. We will probably have machines to walk for us, robots that wipe our ass, and video games that send you into a 6 week hibernation to go on virtual adventures in a magical rain forest..Then we go to work and school, and or stressed bodies need quick energy, so we go to MACdonalds and eat disgusting greasy shit. I have college tommorow, and im goin to MACK donalds for lunch. Theres one literally in walking distance...But who cares. Unless your morbidly obese and can sit on your belly fat, why not be slightly overweight. I hate skinny girls haha, a lil extra padding looks good..You can still be big and healthy. My BMI is around 29, i can still run and excersize..
And of course psychology is huge. We eat shit that makes us happy, and excersize makes us hurt..Who wants to hurt? Try to distract yourself from excersizing..play fukin DDRmax...Im awesome at that game.. i should make a video of me playing it.
 

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I don't think you are unhealthy. I agree that being a little overweight is better than underweight. You are a little creepy though. :phear:
 

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I don't think you are unhealthy. I agree that being a little overweight is better than underweight. You are a little creepy though. :phear:
YA haha. I made that to get some excersize and test out my new camera haha. Notice the slow motion tornado kick is good slow motion. 60 fps, one of the many features of the Canon HF 200.
 

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Thats me. Do i look unhealthy? Do i move like a slow faggot? and im slightly overweight. And i can still pwn noobs at everything.

That slow motion at 1:06 was legit! Cavillier, a comprehensive answer to your question will be posted soon; its an important question. Let me look over the thread and formulate an answer. A slight intimation of my answer is this: part of the problem is that people are only short term thinkers. Sure, that cheeseburger is cheaper than regular groceries and it saves time, but the long term repercussions make it a poor decision. What needs to be eradicated is this belief that the id can be allowed to take over and that insurance companies will bail you out later for sloppy choices.
 

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How to Holistically Curb Obesity in America by: snafupants

-ban commercials clearly aimed at children; ban toys from being served at fast foot establishments; and ban mascots cajoling children into becoming portly
-saturated fat and sugar caps and/or taxes on cereals, candy, and the like
-fiscal incentive for doctors to keep people healthy - i.e., people who do not currently need medical attention per se
-outlaw high fructose corn syrup, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, artificial food coloring, and the like
-disallow monsanto and other corporations from inserting rBST into dairy products; disallow steroids in animals (cows, chickens, etc.) served for their meat; feed and raise the animals properly
-limit collusion between the FDA and private companies like monsanto; relatedly, limit the amount of GMO food products
-provide a government stipend for healthy individuals commensurate with a maximization of health for their genetics, current medical history, age, and environment - the money, which we incidentally do not have, is going to medicare and medicaid for prescription drugs and so forth, so why not aim at prevention!?!
-curtail the use of microwaves and microwave designed food; eradicate the notion of "meal on the go"
-phase out cola with healthier drinks such as fruit juices
-target the problem of childhood obesity early and create interventions and programs at school and at home
-deal with the underlying reasons for overeating - the psychological, emotional, mental, social, and societal should be addressed
-reduce portions of food in restaurants; apprise parents of proper portions for their kids
-prohibit soda companies and the like from commercializing public spaces (e.g., schools, parks, etc.)
-aim for at least twenty minutes of exercise per day; eat more fruit, vegetables, whole grains, complete proteins, etc.
-substitute cooking methods - e.g., let grilled chicken supplant fried
-eat regular meals instead of snacking obsessively
 

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Ya know why that whole list is never gonna happen? Because money is more important than health. It really is. Speaking of health, i dont know what the big deal is with socialized healthcare. Every other developed country in the world has it except America. The people say it gives the government too much control, yet we control who is in the government..Im in NY, and this blind motherfucker is screwin up alot of shit.
 

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that's silly. you still seem to think that commercials completely remove our free will though, i don't really understand why...

if you are fat, then the commercials and companies are arguably partially to blame. but it's like 99% your own fault. even if the commercials are formed to make you want to buy things (which it obviously is) and they maybe use 'dirty' tricks it can hardly be called brainwashing. you have to actually buy the products to get them.


[...] Id hate to be small. [...]

What? Being underweight has less or at max about the same risk factor as being overweight! And it's awesome :mad:
 

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SpaceYeti - Well, it would never enter my mind in the real world to change someone elses lifestyle; somone could knock back eight cheeseburgers in a row, or for that matter shoot up on heroin right in front of me without personal injunction. The trickery and corporate cynicism is what gets me. The highest environmental risk factors for obesity are low education and low income populations. Their naivety and stupidy is taken advantage of by companies like monsanto and more recognizable corps through blitzing commercials - complete disregard for individual and national health for the sake of private fortunes. Finally, unfortunately, you have not dissuaded me from believing that the following are wrongheaded: collusion between FDA and private corps; sedentary lifestyles; disregard of underlying reasons why people overeat; and out of control portion sizes.

DS - Those efficient Germans with their universal health care - stemming back over a century to Otto Von Bismarck - fluctuate the tax charges yearly based on need that year. Over ninety percent of Germans are on the statutory health insurance plan and it works like this: tough year or high income, higher taxes and vice versa. Pretty simple. The lack of collusion makes this possible, so that would never work in America. Specifically, the "big deal" with socialized health care is this: insurance companies are frightened that it would undercut their rates and politicians, who are in the pocket of insurance companies, are scrambling to make sure that does not happen! Eliminate career politicians!
 

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To be honest, I don't see the whole cynicism/conspiracy/bitter hatred for the fact that corn products show up in everything we eat. It seems like an obvious consequence to me... soil in the US was (I have no source, but I imagine during the colonization of the country they figured this out pretty quick) prone to growing corn. Yet the fact that we buy food from overseas rather than using our own means it's probably cheaper.

If you're the government, you look at this and go "oh, shit... if we import all our food, we're going to be extremely vulnerable during wartime. We've gotta be a little careful with this," and, in order to keep farming as an economically viable job, you start subsidizing your native crops. Corn is the major crop in the US (http://www.epa.gov/agriculture/ag101/cropmajor.html), so you subsidize it in peacetime so that, when war comes, your population won't be starved out by other countries' refusing to sell you food. With the subsidies, corn becomes cheap, so lots and lots of foods include it, even when it doesn't seem to belong in them.

I just don't get the whole "blame government/business for saturating us with unhealthy high fructose corn syrup [and the like]" thing that a few people have mentioned so far.
 

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Whatever you do with your body is fine with me, but here is the issue. HFCS is a simple modification, change the sugar or glucose to fructose in cornstarch, and there you have HFCS. Unfortunately, your body does not discriminate as easily as the label on that can of coke or twinkie, which means your name might change from bob to chubs in your friend circle. Like everything else, HFCS is used mainly for economic reasons and it has the happy side benefit of increasing shelf life; also, the uneducated look for sugar, see no sugar, so chomp down. Again, do what you want, but realize type two diabetes, skyrocking blood pressure, and heart disease might greet you sooner rather than later with a strict regimen of coke, suzy q treats, ice cream, and conventional cereal. Have your wallet ready and be prepared to pay later!
 

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whoa whoa whoa

I didn't say it's healthy, and I definitely never said we should eat as much as we do. I say "as much as we do" because fructose is the same type of sugar found in fruit. Your body can digest fructose just like any other sugar, and it's healthy depending on what your activities are. Like the other sugars, it's good if you need a quick burst of energy, but bad if your exercise consists primarily of long-distance running, or (even worse) if you don't exercise at all.

What I said, and all that I meant, is that I don't think the "conspiracy-like" suspicion of HFCS has any rational basis. I think it's simply around because of laws which were made to protect us in the event of a full-scale war.
 

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if you are fat, then the commercials and companies are arguably partially to blame. but it's like 99% your own fault. even if the commercials are formed to make you want to buy things (which it obviously is) and they maybe use 'dirty' tricks it can hardly be called brainwashing. you have to actually buy the products to get them.

Actually, there are many things you can't get away from. I've been seeing recent studies about bisphenol-A causing obesity, and that is used to line aluminum food cans, make cash register receipts, and preserve all kinds of food. Other xenoestrogens (which tend to cause obesity, too) like parabens, are in all kinds of food and shampoo and cosmetics.

I read labels carefully, and spend a lot more time, energy, and money than other people I know, because I want to avoid these things. But I don't know exactly what ingredients are used in restaurants, or at other people's houses. I live in an area that is sunny year round, and has lots of local farms, so I can get fresh produce every week. Most people don't live in such an area. So I argue that, at present, for many people, it is impossible to get away from products that contribute to obesity.

The ads matter, too. Childhood obesity is linked, not to total television viewing time, but to advertisements for unhealthy food on TV.
 

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Ya got these kids who grow up with fat parents who let them eat tons.They eat like this for years until they realize theyve become fatasses. by the time theyre in highschool their rely fat and dont feel like losing the weight..Its like when ur house or room gets dirty. If your lazy and dont feel like cleaning it, its eventaully all gonna add up and get ultra messy, so its really hard to clean..You can eat get a little fat and excerisize it all off in a day, or let it build and build...then b4 ya know it your 36,000 tons overweight and you think to yourself, oh whats the point in excersizing..it hurts and doesnt give me instant results..itll take forever to get sown to 300 pounds...its all about your mindset..and then you get so fat you cant walk..then your fucked, doin 10 arms raises a day with pink, 5 lb weights , burnin that 36,000 tons away..and then a girl walks by and sees your naked jabba the hut body curling that 5 lb pink weight and she thinks, oh yea i wana have sex with him.
 

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What a little bitch. That rascal kicked the girl near the end - she was like seven years old, eight tops. That whole video was incredibly depressing.

It's not so clear in the video, but I don't think the girl was hurt very much, since it looked like they were just playing together. At the very least it means kids can get fat and play together in Iraq! :angel:
 

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What a little bitch. That rascal kicked the girl near the end - she was like seven years old, eight tops. That whole video was incredibly depressing.

If you thought that was depressing, you haven't seen anything yet:


My feeling is that society makes eating unhealthy far more convenient, and doesn't educate people in how to be/eat healthy. Sure McDonald's has salads, but what do people associate them with? Big Mac and Fries. It's weird too, considering it's really cheaper to eat healthy. Rice, beans and vegetables is a dollar or two a day, three meals of fast food will run well over $20 usually.

I'd really like to see restaurants that served cheap, tasty non-processed stuff as common as all the McD's/Arby's/Wendy's/JackInTheBoxes/etc. Anyone want to start a business?
 

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Maybe those businesses aren't popular because healthy food sucks? Perhaps?

I'm sick of this "society" crap. Stop blaming some faceless, ubiquitous everyone for what the people who compose that everyone do. People eat unhealthily because it's tasty. It's easy because it's what people want. There's a market for it. This is pretty basic stuff, here. Who took economics in high school? Yeah, then you already know all this.
 

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Have you eaten at any of these places in the past few years? Particularly White Castle (yuck!)? How these places stay in business is the biggest mystery to me. Well not really a mystery, cause I remember a time before I realized I could get better food for cheaper at the grocery store, I just have to be willing to cook it myself later. Which is probably easier than driving somewhere anyway. I mean seriously, if people realized they could be saving thousands of dollars a year in food costs and eating food that tastes better (IMO) these places would be history, or at least have to change their menus and million dollar ad campaigns.

As for this "society" crap, I'm sick of it too. Get rid of it. Good riddance.
 
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