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I've noticed something about facebook and it took me way too long to figure out. I recently pruned my friends list down to 130. What I noticed is that my home page on facebook is all the sudden completely polluted with shit I don't give a flying fuck about, worse than the shit my friends post - ads. I have a theory that they do this because they want you to have a wide network of friends, but why?
 

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More friends = more data collectiob points = more accurate market forecast = more customers to sell to

Less friends means less accurate data collection points so they use ads to guess your market preference.
 

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What pyro said plus:

You represent one more reason for those 130 people to use facebook, and each of those 130 people are a reason for you to use facebook. You and every other person on the network are the equivalent of infrastructure to keep the network running, as well as the target demographic.

Like how nightclubs wouldn't work if there were nobody already inside. They're selling a party made up of people to whom they are selling the party. You are the customer and the product and it's in their best interest to maximise your utility as both.
 

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Lets go a bit deeper. You guys are talking about dollar signs. What about power?
 

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Elaborate? Most of the power being moved around is fairly directly a product of dollar signs. Are you talking politics?
 

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Elaborate? Most of the power being moved around is fairly directly a product of dollar signs. Are you talking politics?

Not sure but usually people who get rich start to crave power as well.
 

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Yeah, I guess?

If Zuckerberg or whatever other powers that be decided to, they could jiggle things around to suit all sorts of agendas. They could give preferential treatment to sympathetic interests, facilitating their influence while denying opposing views a platform.

Trump is a good example of someone who has attained/maintained power through use of social media, though that's different since he's not the goober actually running twitter.

But I'd be wary of looking for malice in the predictably clenched fist of avarice. Cash dollars is sufficient cause for facebook to be structured the way it is (afaik). Capitalism is a force of human nature.
 
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But I'd be wary of looking for malice in the predictably clenched fist of avarice. Cash dollars is sufficient cause for facebook to be structured the way it is (afaik). Capitalism is a force of human nature.

using underhanded/deceitful means to make $$$ farming humans for data and flogging usually useless and usually harmful PRODUCTS to everyone seems rather malicious to me (facebook et al)

it could probably be argued that many of the cogs driving (AND FUELING) the apocalypse inducing consumption leviathan in whose shadow we all flounder are all merely ignorant pawns, but the age of information makes feeble excuses out of most if not all reasons
 

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They get paid the more people use Facebook.
Zuckerberg recently said he supported UBI. So they have the power to really support and implement any kind of endeavor.
Daniel Pinchbeck recently also attended a conference wherein Facebook was open to suggestions. He tried to get them to be more environmentally friendly since it's such a huge platform that can influence tons of people in the wake of this evident climate disaster, but his suggestion was ignored. Facebook won't use its platform as an alternative news source that brings to light important information for the masses.
Perhaps a new media platform can be launched with our best interests in mind. But the way it is now only corporations which don't care about Earth are in control of the information they feed us. And they want to tell us there is nothing that can be done. They want to remain in power as long as possible even if it means destruction of the Earth before the jig is up.
 

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Yeah, mostly money (accuracy for selling stuff), because it's the target anyway (like Hadoblado said) and because of information control.

But let's think of the secondary question, and we certanily can't blame facebook this time but society instead.

We're living in a world where extrovertion is "recommended", and of course, this is translated to everything, including social media (esp. social media). Having more "friends" and spending more time online is what society wants, we're all heading towards an each day more digital world as a whole, and at least until we transfer our consciousness to supercomputers in a not so distant future, we'll have to live with over inmersion in online bullshit, aka social media.

Imagine Google, Facebook, Amazon and all the major software companies (plus microsoft cuz it's like bad weed, it's never going to die) behaving like the Illuminati NWO and ruling our world, and I think it's already happening.

Oor I should stop watch too much History documentaries.
 

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why complaining so much about facebook? it gives you a feedback of things you are interested in, events in your city, bars, art galleries, artists, concert places, you only have to follow and then go online and it's all there, u don't have to remember about what you liked in the past and so on. if zuckenberg is giving this info to the reptilians or the antichrist well, i don't think it will affect us at least in a few years. like wtf are you complaining about? sure there are some ads like doritos or jackets that i despise but that's 30% of facebook?
as in youtube, you watch stuff for free, they even pay to the guys who upload videos if they get views. but people need to complain about a 10 s ad. i believe i've never watched any movie announced in youtube (except for The Witch, and i don't regret they showed me), i haven't bought any game i've seen announced in youtube, and if i like and buy what's the fproblem?
location, big deal, u surely go out and there will be someone tracking your steps to murder you, shit u can also go out and get killed by a fallen plane or by your friend on a psychotic attack, what's the difference?
it's not like they push you to do things so what are u complaining about? to keep an invisible balance? okkk thanks for being there to save the world when i just feel like touching my balls.
 

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Well, one of the main goals of sites like that (but also sites like youtube) is to maximise the time you spend there. In fact, they use that as one of their main metrics by which they measure their profitability as a business.

Obviously bigger network means you'll be getting a more intense stream of posts and messages potentially relevant to you, thus you might spend more time on there.

Ugh it makes me literally sick just thinking about that vulgar industry.
 

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last week i chat through facebook with 4 cool guys, from a post i made looking for musicians to play in the streets in a certain facebook group.
we met and now we are going to play in the streets.
some months ago i saw a shared post of my university facebook page and that's how i found out about an art exhibition that i am part of since yesterday
you can organize people and move them and make living less shitty
so instead of this perspective where we are all drowned by your data, what if i wanna devour yours first?
goddamnnnnnnnnnn
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why complaining so much about facebook? it gives you a feedback of things you are interested in, events in your city, bars, art galleries, artists, concert places, you only have to follow and then go online and it's all there, u don't have to remember about what you liked in the past and so on. if zuckenberg is giving this info to the reptilians or the antichrist well, i don't think it will affect us at least in a few years. like wtf are you complaining about? sure there are some ads like doritos or jackets that i despise but that's 30% of facebook?
as in youtube, you watch stuff for free, they even pay to the guys who upload videos if they get views. but people need to complain about a 10 s ad. i believe i've never watched any movie announced in youtube (except for The Witch, and i don't regret they showed me), i haven't bought any game i've seen announced in youtube, and if i like and buy what's the fproblem?
location, big deal, u surely go out and there will be someone tracking your steps to murder you, shit u can also go out and be killed by a fell plane or by your friend on a psychotic attack, what's the difference?
it's not like they push you to do things so what are u complaining about? to keep an invisible balance? okkk thanks for being there to save the world when i just feel like touching my balls.

last week i chat through facebook with 4 cool guys, derivated from a post i made looking for musicians to play in the streets in a certain facebook group.
we met and now we are going to play in the streets.
some months ago i saw a shared post of my university facebook page and that's how i found out about an art exhibition that i am part of since yesterday
you can organize people and move them and make living less shitty
so instead of this perspective where we are all drowned by your data, what if i wanna devour yours first?
goddamnnnnnnnnnn
:evil:

So, In your opinion, all we should look at are the pros to using facebook and ignoring all the cons.
 

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facebook and internet affect my life much positively than negatively.
i'm neither planet earth nor the future of humankind so i'm pretty happy with what we have.
 

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No one is complaining, they're just saying it's weird how the marketing works. They're spying on you. That's what's controversial. People not from the US will have a different perspective. They'll appreciate the services because they aren't used to this much freedom. It comes with a cost. There's a ton of industry and networking in foreign sectors. Americans don't really use Facebrick.
Not sure why people think they'll have access to something as positive as entering consciousness into the supercomputer. That's a privilege only for the elite. If you're lucky enough you'll find a way in. I wonder what it would be like? Computers are in line with the Judeo-Christian model of reality. No one knows if they fully play a role in hastening the redemption. It's different from a faith based approach. After death you live forever. The world will merge more with the DMT experience and there will be magic. It'll be like partial DMT vision all the time. That's the only way God will be there; it's the biological physiological basis for it. Not dreaming. Although it plays a role.
Magic is just (like) art. It changes people and can make them do what you want. It changes their brain and is effective. Words manipulate. A wizard can manipulate reality. It's propaganda. Coincidence makes it seem like there's more power than there actually is. It either has to be or some fraud is inevitable.
When shamans drink ayahuasca in the Amazon they get visited by space aliens from another galaxy who speak computer language. So no doubt they are integral. Reality is like a bad sci-fi episode gone out of control. It's the "only" way to live forever. Computer consciousness is the only way to prevent further catastrophe? It's more efficient than biological matter. It cannot be reconciled until something actually happens.
Truth is, we're already in the matrix. So the superquantum computer will make us in the matrix while in the matrix and who knows what else. Newsflash: we are plugged in right now under the illusion what we perceive is reality. We are asleep in beds being harvested right now. It's just that we're in a simulation to keep us busy and unknowing. They know we know. It's not even a glitch. When someone sneaks through the aliens do any number of things. But this isn't even the only thing that's happening.
It's just one thing that's going on. We're given this life.
I'm probably dead wrong about some of the DMT stuff but oh well. For now.
I don't know what the operations do. That's why we need more people to do it and see. People can collaborate and share information. This one guy smoked DMT in the 60's and saw a metallic Buddha statue like in that episode of Space Dandy when they were racing like F-Zero. There are too many motifs. All the weed art you see with aliens can't be attributed to pot or acid. It's DMT that does it... Acid kind of does it too. And mushrooms.
Life is a series of lessons. The same thing happens every time. It's impossible to really tell. Some people are good. There is nothing. The signs are there. It's bullshit.
You have to focus. Only then you'll see it. When you smoke DMT it's easier because there's more DMT in your brain. Otherwise you might have to meditate it out of your brain if possible. One of two things happen. The weed puts you in a thought loop but once you realize it and break out then you see it. It's always there but you can't see it.
When I was a kid I remember being at this place and there was a book I started reading about science and quantum physics. I grasped it. On the next few pages it said in the future we'll be able to see more stuff than we can now. Cars will have new headlights that shine on the beings that are there. They'll be filling the air.
DMT/ayahuasca is that. When you do it you see. I don't know how it will work but in the future people's bodies will produce more DMT then they'll be able to see it. You can genetically engineer prophets. Prophets are supposed to be hella smart and imaginative so when they smoke DMT they can understand what's going on. But really, it's just that in scripture they perceived God and his angels. Who knows what the reality really is. It's something like the matrix. This world is for people who are still addicted to some thing. They are reborn for it, they ask for it. You have to let go. They want to experience it again. That's what bonus this realm has over the non physical, apparently. But maybe not.
 

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No one is complaining, they're just saying it's weird how the marketing works. They're spying on you. That's what's controversial. People not from the US will have a different perspective. They'll appreciate the services because they aren't used to this much freedom. It comes with a cost. There's a ton of industry and networking in foreign sectors. Americans don't really use Facebrick.

All right, I stopped reading right there, that's pretty xenophobic, at least for me.

Sure, there are countries out there which are kinda fucked uo (like North Korea, or even mine), but just because society and prejudices may be different, it doesn't mean everybody outside the US live on an iron dictatorship.

Oh, almost forget about Trump and the pseudo totalitarian ideas he's got.

And finally, I don't use to write posts like this, I'm more bothered for the text wall than by the content, use enter bro.

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Regarding the previous debate, tmb has a point, maybe syping and selling your info to anyone might be weird, but at least somehow it helps people, and since the average stalker psychopath doesn't own a giant company or an intelligence agency, your info is secure (as long as you don't choose a shitty password and being unlucky enough to interest some hackers).

Even tho, that's 50% of why I stopped useing facebook, the other half was how the net was designed to improve online relationships and how little I had, imagine playing the sims and having no one to visit around or to click the whatever social ad you create to get some rewards.
 

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Look at all these puny humans, shuffling around in my empire, blind to what we are doing to them...

Why, with one push of a button, the word is sent out to millions and millions...

There is no stopping me now. I am become god.


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All right, I stopped reading right there, that's pretty xenophobic, at least for me.

Sure, there are countries out there which are kinda fucked uo (like North Korea, or even mine), but just because society and prejudices may be different, it doesn't mean everybody outside the US live on an iron dictatorship.

Oh, almost forget about Trump and the pseudo totalitarian ideas he's got.
Fuck Donald Trump and his cronies, North Korea, and Irma, Josè, and Harvey. Nowhere once did I put non US countries are under dictatorships. Actually I said that I read the reports and there is a lot of industry in foreign countries. Even fucked up ones. Nonetheless, Facebrick isn't really used that much. It doesn't need to be. Fuck a stereotype, thinking Americans are xenophobic. Fuck a support for PewDiePie. America is run by fascists. Spying on citizens wasn't part of the deal. Or maybe it was. Now say it's for the greater good to prevent terrorism. 9/11 was the excuse to really ramp it up. And they use Facebrick for it. Twitter is better because you don't have to be long winded. America doing that was part of the deal. The idea of it was to try and be the best but they just say it. Fuck politics, it's a joke. It's about social networking, which is where a lot of the craft comes from.

And finally, I don't use to write posts like this, I'm more bothered for the text wall than by the content, use enter bro.
Okay. Putting spaces between text is a lie. You don't read. You're just someone who doesn't/can't read. It isn't even that bad. That's all it means. But mission accomplished anyway. I've read worse.

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Regarding the previous debate, tmb has a point, maybe syping and selling your info to anyone might be weird, but at least somehow it helps people, and since the average stalker psychopath doesn't own a giant company or an intelligence agency, your info is secure (as long as you don't choose a shitty password and being unlucky enough to interest some hackers).

Even tho, that's 50% of why I stopped useing facebook, the other half was how the net was designed to improve online relationships and how little I had, imagine playing the sims and having no one to visit around or to click the whatever social ad you create to get some rewards.
Of course he has a point. It's just the opposite of what the usual reaction seemed to be, not difficult to formulate. It's easy to agree since you two are friends. The giant companies and intelligence agencies are the psychopath stalkers.

You can look at this one of two ways. People are bad and out to get you, and use the technology for oppressive reasons. Or, there are some good and they try their best to be professional and really try to reduce the amount of needless spying. But no one knows who controls it all. Regardless the technology will be used. And it will be in the greater interest for you. And you will believe it. When they come to put a camera in your house or apartment unit (if there isn't one there already) you will welcome it. So it's a weak state of affairs it has turned out to be then. And that has to do with the rule of certain British monarchs in the 14 and 1500's.
 

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Yeah, mostly money (accuracy for selling stuff), because it's the target anyway (like Hadoblado said) and because of information control.

But let's think of the secondary question, and we certanily can't blame facebook this time but society instead.

We're living in a world where extrovertion is "recommended", and of course, this is translated to everything, including social media (esp. social media). Having more "friends" and spending more time online is what society wants, we're all heading towards an each day more digital world as a whole, and at least until we transfer our consciousness to supercomputers in a not so distant future, we'll have to live with over inmersion in online bullshit, aka social media.

Imagine Google, Facebook, Amazon and all the major software companies (plus microsoft cuz it's like bad weed, it's never going to die) behaving like the Illuminati NWO and ruling our world, and I think it's already happening.

Oor I should stop watch too much History documentaries.

Heh. It kind of feels a bit too much like this Black Mirror - S 1 E 2 - 15 Million Merits - Video Dailymotion
 

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Fuck Donald Trump and his cronies, North Korea, and Irma, Josè, and Harvey. Nowhere once did I put non US countries are under dictatorships. Actually I said that I read the reports and there is a lot of industry in foreign countries. Even fucked up ones. Nonetheless, Facebrick isn't really used that much. It doesn't need to be. Fuck a stereotype, thinking Americans are xenophobic. Fuck a support for PewDiePie. America is run by fascists. Spying on citizens wasn't part of the deal. Or maybe it was. Now say it's for the greater good to prevent terrorism. 9/11 was the excuse to really ramp it up. And they use Facebrick for it. Twitter is better because you don't have to be long winded. America doing that was part of the deal. The idea of it was to try and be the best but they just say it. Fuck politics, it's a joke. It's about social networking, which is where a lot of the craft comes from.

Hm, at least we can agree on that, modern politics it's a joke, and how fucked up Trump really is.

I was born on Houston (and I lived there for about 6 months, then I moved to Venezuela), when I heard about the hurricane flooding I looked up after where I lived, and it turn's out it flooded. Weird.

Okay. Putting spaces between text is a lie. You don't read. You're just someone who doesn't/can't read. It isn't even that bad. That's all it means. But mission accomplished anyway. I've read worse.

Touché.

Of course he has a point. It's just the opposite of what the usual reaction seemed to be, not difficult to formulate. It's easy to agree since you two are friends. The giant companies and intelligence agencies are the psychopath stalkers.

You can look at this one of two ways. People are bad and out to get you, and use the technology for oppressive reasons. Or, there are some good and they try their best to be professional and really try to reduce the amount of needless spying. But no one knows who controls it all. Regardless the technology will be used. And it will be in the greater interest for you. And you will believe it. When they come to put a camera in your house or apartment unit (if there isn't one there already) you will welcome it. So it's a weak state of affairs it has turned out to be then. And that has to do with the rule of certain British monarchs in the 14 and 1500's.

Yeah, but also think of this, as you said, there are two ways to see it, sure, what the companies and agencies know about you may even surprise you, but let's look at the numbers.

There are around 3.7 thousand million people connected to internet and just because of the thread's name, facebook has around 1900 million users (and whatsapp around 1200 million).

So, let's assume that 100% of the accounts are tracked and carefully studied by the companies/intelligence agencies. Do you realize how much data does that even is? I mean, unless the tracking platform has million of analysts as well, there's no way for humans to manage that alone.

That's why we should discuss bots. I'm sure, and just because of the numbers, that you can't be staked out, at least 100% of the time. If I were the companies/agencies, I'd use bots instead (besides, you also fix the problem of leaking between the analysts, snowden-like), something like the google news alert you create to know when your favorite team wins or losses.

Let's say there are keywords (like bomb, or whatever), behaviour patterns (creating fake accounts with no data or something else suspicious) that tell the bot that you might be a target, it's then when you'll would be staked out.

Yeah, but now that I write this, I realize how easy would be to do that, maybe it's already happening.

Hello again, nwo agent :cthulhu:
 

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All right, but it doesn't actually says if (or how) companies sell data to the criminals, and to be honest, I don't mean to argue the fact of data-gatering, I'm curious of how criminals actually get this info.

Maybe a full hacker-army like the one in China?

The specifics are not that important. The point is that it's a highly fragile strategy to let people store data on you. E.g. recently, the Swedish govt managed to accidently leak large amounts of sensitive data on its citizens. Then you have all these other threats like hacks etc, and the consequent risks of identity theft and other shit. You might even have a coup d'etat or some martial-law situation where all your info suddenly is in the hands of some people who are willing to use the info against you in bad ways.
 

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The specifics are not that important. The point is that it's a highly fragile strategy to let people store data on you. E.g. recently, the Swedish govt managed to accidently leak large amounts of sensitive data on its citizens. Then you have all these other threats like hacks etc, and the consequent risks of identity theft and other shit. You might even have a coup d'etat or some martial-law situation where all your info suddenly is in the hands of some people who are willing to use the info against you in bad ways.

Hmm, identity theft may be a good reason to interest on average people data, but if I'm willing to do a massive cyberattack or a coup d'etat, I'd rather treat the data as a whole (men/women ratio, age, interests...), and not focusing on individuals per se.

Anyhow, hello agent/hacker/potential dictator/vegan ufo :cthulhu:
 
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