Why are negative emotions not justifiable motivators for action?

[DelusiveNinja]

Why do people shun those who take action by cause of a negative emotion such as envy, greed, or anger?

 

[BigApplePi]

Why do people shun those who take action by cause of a negative emotion such as envy, greed, or anger?

Envy & greed appear as self-interest.
Anger threatens.

These do not necessarily precipitate bad actions if they result in positive social results. The problem is we have to wait for that to happen.

 

[JimJambones]

What would the world look like if greed, envy, and anger were more socially acceptable? What would it look like if being humble and being kind to others were behaviors that when exhibited would cause ostracization from the majority? Do we not live in this world already?

 

[DelusiveNinja]

self-interest.

What is wrong with self-interest in the pursuit of self-satisfaction?

These do not necessarily precipitate bad actions if they result in positive social results.

Is there no such thing as an unacceptable motive for action then? Is it not the motive that is problem, but rather the aftermath that is caused by the action, which is the precipitate of the motive?

The problem is we have to wait for that to happen.

Does this wait in anticipation for a result cause anxiety and trigger something within most people that causes them to take a stance against or for an action according to their ethical standpoint?

 

[Base groove]

The answer is that somewhere around 60% of people exhibit a dominant SF consciousness and therefore emotions of any variety are justifiable motivators for action, any time, without exception.

 

[kris]

You can be rational about emotions, but emotional impulses are inherently irrational. If you act on emotional impulse, you are being irrational. If you act on negative emotional impulses, there's a decent chance you're being destructively irrational.

That's a generalization, but I think it's fair enough.

 

[paradoxparadigm7]

First of all, no one can say definitively what intension or motivation an individual has that might have played into an action. Sometimes, not even the person is completely aware. This question plays into integrity. Integrity is a process by which we form our most sacred values and every time we cross the line, we become that more disintegrated. Therefore, the individual suffers even though from the outside, it may look like a person's actions are beneficial. Of course the process doesn't stop there.

It doesn't necessarily have to do with negative emotions. Keeping the peace can masquerade as a virtue but if used at the expense of another value then 'keeping the peace' can be a detriment.

 

[BigApplePi]

What is wrong with self-interest in the pursuit of self-satisfaction?

Nothing wrong by itself. It's only when this self-interest goes against other's self-interest.

Is there no such thing as an unacceptable motive for action then? Is it not the motive that is problem, but rather the aftermath that is caused by the action, which is the precipitate of the motive?

Unacceptable is a motive which goes against other's self-interest.

Does this wait in anticipation for a result cause anxiety and trigger something within most people that causes them to take a stance against or for an action according to their ethical standpoint?

There is immediacy and also longer term affects. Aggressive action pushes other people and they don't like that. However once pushed good things can come out of it ... or bad things.

If greed stimulated a capitalistic society that could be a good thing. If greed over-stimulates so others are deprived, that's a bad thing.

Along those lines, envy looks bad. It looks like complaining without doing anything. It could threaten the envied by taking away from them rather than being resourceful oneself.

Anger can also look like a threat if directed toward you. But it could be good if you can identify with the object of the anger.

 

[RadicalDreamer31]

What the BAP says here, is what I would say. Your emotions suit you very well. But they interfere with the well being of others. Pissing people off just because it feels good or there is gains to be had, really isn't in your best interest.

Also you must consider both present self and future self. for example acting on anger, may be good for you in the moment,. buuttt... consequences.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Envy
Dosn't have a sense of independent values/interests, indicates inauthentic living and sense of inferiority

Greed
Uncooperative and manipulative against others, thus untrustworthy and harmful.

Anger
Regresses to subconscious impulses, emotional aggression nature is feared and embarrassing


I would say there is still some extent of acceptance for anger, crime of passion and righteous indignation for example.

 

[BigApplePi]

Envy
Dosn't have a sense of independent values/interests, indicates inauthentic living and sense of inferiority

What if one sees another in a position of undeserved privilege?

Greed
Uncooperative and manipulative against others, thus untrustworthy and harmful.

The only thing I can think of is what if one has suffered great deprivation and suddenly comes upon a "wealth of riches?"

Anger
Regresses to subconscious impulses, emotional aggression nature is feared and embarrassing.

I would say there is still some extent of acceptance for anger, crime of passion and righteous indignation for example.

I see anger as a useful tool if one sees wrong done.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

What if one sees another in a position of undeserved privilege?

Who determines what is deserved and what is not? Where is the objective criteria? Undeserved in what sense?

Humans, individually and collectively, make their own subjective judgments of "deserving-ness" that can always be looked at from another perspective.

The only thing I can think of is what if one has suffered great deprivation and suddenly comes upon a "wealth of riches?"

Depending on their personality, they'll either take the opportunity to make optimal use of it, squander it, or live with it modestly.

I see anger as a useful tool if one sees wrong done.

Emotions are subjective though, and that's being used to justify harm to another. Is that person not entitled to their own subjectiveness?

As the saying goes, 'all's fair in love and war'.

 

[BigApplePi]

Who determines what is deserved and what is not? Where is the objective criteria? Undeserved in what sense?

Guess what? Looking only for objective criteria is an INTx bias. Who says what is deserved can't be subjective? Answer: those who lead with feeling who put their own values up front first. This doesn't mean thinking people can't look for objectivity. The problem is they will have to think hard enough to convince feeling people.

Humans, individually and collectively, make their own subjective judgments of "deserving-ness" that can always be looked at from another perspective.

Yes.

Depending on their personality, they'll either take the opportunity to make optimal use of it, squander it, or live with it modestly.

Greed in the stock market is a good example. I would like to make optimal use of success but success is sometimes an illusion.

Emotions are subjective though, and that's being used to justify harm to another. Is that person not entitled to their own subjectiveness?

I'm not sure of your point. Emotions in a thinker may be subjective. Emotions in a feeler can be used to move people deliberately. Isn't that objective if calculated? My experience on this board with a feeler was that was the case. Normally objective thinkers became judgmental, losing their objectivity.

As the saying goes, 'all's fair in love and war'.

Both are feeling laden.

 

[DelusiveNinja]

First of all, no one can say definitively what intension or motivation an individual has that might have played into an action. Sometimes, not even the person is completely aware.

I think you are right about that, but if no one can say what person's intentions or motivations are how do we judge a person's actions? By the situations in which precedent actions cause? Or by popular opinion?

Integrity is a process by which we form our most sacred values

The values of our integrity are the values that are in alignment with our self, correct? Our opinions, beliefs, and values.... Am I beside myself in trying to judge another person by looking at what I believe to their intentions or motivations? I used to ask myself "Who am I to judge others?" but I stopped, thinking that I was entitled to my opinion. Now this question surfaces my mind again.

 

[EvilBlitz]

Humans are a pack animal, so "negative" emotions while necessary will have a negative bias against them to maintain overall group cohesion.

 

[flyingpan]

Why do people shun those who take action by cause of a negative emotion such as envy, greed, or anger?

We rely on others to survive. Perhaps we evolved to disdain those emotions that often lead to selfish actions that could hurt the group.

 

[Variform]

What would the world look like if greed, envy, and anger were more socially acceptable? What would it look like if being humble and being kind to others were behaviors that when exhibited would cause ostracization from the majority? Do we not live in this world already?

You wanna move to Qo'noS, the Klingon homeworld.

 

[BigApplePi]

... if no one can say what person's intentions or motivations are how do we judge a person's actions? By the situations in which precedent actions cause? Or by popular opinion?

You can do that, but if we don't know their intentions or motivations, we can ask them their intentions and guess at the motivations and see if they agree.

The values of our integrity are the values that are in alignment with our self, correct? Our opinions, beliefs, and values.... Am I beside myself in trying to judge another person by looking at what I believe to their intentions or motivations? I used to ask myself "Who am I to judge others?" but I stopped, thinking that I was entitled to my opinion. Now this question surfaces my mind again.

Let's not guess. Ask them. Probe them. Are they too distant for that? Then concentrate on the results of their actions and ignore them until you can do a psychoanalysis or somethin'.

 

[StevenM]

Why do people shun those who take action by cause of a negative emotion such as envy, greed, or anger?

A lot of people don't have experience with expressing these in a constructive way. Thus, they are shunned, leaving the emotional person assuming that these emotions were wrong to feel. At least, this especially goes for anger.