Who would win in a brawl, INTP or ENTP?

[commandolam]

You're welcome, Dormouse.

Personally, I'd say the ENTP. It'd seem they're more likely to start the brawl, and hence, get the deadly first strike. As an ENTJ who could just as easily be an ENTP, I can say that we, or at least I, have no qualms about beating the crap out of someone for the sake of being able to tell someone about it through hyperboles.

On the other hand, an INTP would probably take a fist to the face while thinking about whether or not the fist actually existed. The brawl is sure to attract attention so the crowds of people standing around might unnerve the introverted INTP. Most INTPs look pretty scrawny too, but I'm generalizing based on what my friend Auburn looks like.

Thoughts?

 

[johndude77]

I'm supporting the ENTP on this one. I mean, ENTP people are suppose to be stronger and all around more athletic then the stereotypical INTP, who sits around thinking all day. Being an INTP myself though, I am different for I play a ton of sports. I'm usually in some kind of season in fact all year round (soccer right now). So I say bring it on ENTP's. I can take you all down. I really think we should create a full out brawl and see who wins. It's interest me a lot. Let me ponder upon it.

 

[onthewindowstand]

Im a state champion in track and absolutely dominant in basketball. Would own most ENTPs

 

[bloozie]

What would the argument be about though?

 

[Mello]

If I'm allowed to pull out a sig p226 and put a hollow-point round through his face, I'm sure we could win.

 

[johndude77]

Lam you should of set up a poll, noob.

 

[commandolam]

It has been done. Vote away, my fellow forumers!

 

[Gather_Wanderer]

I voted ENTP, but don't personally know any that would take me down. I'm physically capable of dishing out pain.

Judo chop.

 

[onthewindowstand]

I voted ENTP, but don't personally know any that would take me down. I'm physically capable of dishing out pain.

Judo chop.

You gonna use that feed bag as a weapon or something?

 

[Thoughtful]

It would be a battle of brains. ENTP would likely initiate the attack, come at the INTP with a knife, or maybe a gun, but if the INTP got away, the ENTP might have to worry about payback. I think the saying goes something like: "You won't know when, and you won't know how, But I'm gonna pay you back for everything you've done for me"

Then again, if the INTP got away they'd be just as likely to fade away into the backdrop and never be seen by the ENTP again.

I think we should ask an ENTP and see what they think.

 

[Sforza]

Thoughts?

INTP lifts ENTP up with telekinetic powers and makes ENTP explode, but then INTP can only use it once per day because it costs too much mana.

 

[Words]

I see INTP as mage

and ENTP as Juggler

or for modern settings: Sniper is INTP and Grenadier is ENTP.

The characteristics are centered on how much motion each type will generally make. One will initiate more random, experimental movements(hitting plenty but no critical) and the other passive but damaging. Since this is a brawl, action is prioritized over thinking. Thus, ENTP holds the greater advantage.

 

[Cognisant]

Personally I see an ENTP and his mates backing a INTP into a corner, starting the fight over the INTP having made a fool of him earlier, then finding out the INTP has a concealed weapon, the hard way, with the severity of the beating the INTP gets from the ENTP's mates in return being dependant upon their loyalty.
ENTP walks away with a severe puncture wound.
INTP probably gets beaten into unconsciousness.

If it's a to-the-death cage match, the INTP will win, sure the ENTP will be the better fighter but that'll work in the INTP's favour when the psychotic defence mechanism kicks in, this is of course assuming they're both civilians, your average psychologically stable person can't just kill someone with their bare hands.

 

[Anthile]

The INTJ, of course.

 

[Words]

The INTJ, of course.

- - -

INTJ

 

[Cognisant]

More INTP vs ENTP imo.

YouTube- Iron Man 2 - Mark IV VS. Mark II

 

[Gather_Wanderer]

You gonna use that feed bag as a weapon or something?

Hell no. Are you mad?

...Waste of perfectly good mashed-into-mush-form food....

 

[snafupants]

intps have rather bizarre ways of dishing out pain and ensuring the upcoming opponent takes the rest of his meals through a straw. teddy kaczynski, for example, brilliant mathematician but effective only in drawing exorbitant attention to himself so that he could publish a manifesto; an entp would go straight for the jugular and ditch the semantics. for this reason here is my verdict: entp in a regular street fight, intp in a calculated effort to break the opponents back through psychological, emotional, and physical torture. the operative question is intj or entj in a tactical warfare type situation. release the kraken!

 

[Dormouse]

You're welcome, Dormouse.

Yeaaaahhh.

Assuming the ENTP has martial arts training and the INTP has a taser *, it's clear to me they spend the better part of the fight circling each other as the ENTP trash talks and the INTP strategizes.

The INTP would be the one to finally attack, executing a thoroughly planned maneuver nigh impossible to defend. The ENTP, while unable to avoid this onslaught, would counter immediatly, knocking the INTP uncounscious before succumbing to the throes of electrocution.

Spoiler

* Logical assumptions: I have them.

 

[Anthile]

- - -

INTJ

That scene just fortified my theory that Sherlock Holmes and Fallout play in the same universe.

 

[Trebuchet]

The INTP will win, because it is an unlikely fight. You have to consider what caused it.

It probably started when the ENTP wouldn't stop annoying the INTP. The INTP has never shown even the slightest violent streak before, and takes a lot of annoyance, gently ramping up the warnings, possibly over days, which are so subtle they go unheeded by his companion. Suddenly, the INTP snaps! Next thing you know, there is a very hurt ENTP on the floor. The whole thing is over in seconds. The ENTP looks up, sorrow in his eyes, because he didn't know the INTP was getting so upset. The INTP feels bad about the outburst, makes sure the ENTP will be okay, and then acts all awkward for a few days.

 

[johndude77]

The INTP will win, because it is an unlikely fight. You have to consider what caused it.

It probably started when the ENTP wouldn't stop annoying the INTP. The INTP has never shown even the slightest violent streak before, and takes a lot of annoyance, gently ramping up the warnings, possibly over days, which are so subtle they go unheeded by his companion. Suddenly, the INTP snaps! Next thing you know, there is a very hurt ENTP on the floor. The whole thing is over in seconds. The ENTP looks up, sorrow in his eyes, because he didn't know the INTP was getting so upset. The INTP feels bad about the outburst, makes sure the ENTP will be okay, and then acts all awkward for a few days.

You stole the words right out of my mouth. I can see this happening for sure.

 

[Minuend]

ENTP:

Exercises because he's actually outside with people and thus needs the body mass to impress his fellow specimen

Has the ability to confuse the INTP with his LOUD and never ending randomness

Has self confidence to summon others of his kin to his aid

INTP

Goes outside, gets sunburned.

Gets distracted by passing butterfly

Fear of looking ridiculous in the fight. (Maybe I should lift my fists a bit higher, no then it looks like I'm trying to imitate someone from Fight Club, I'll just leave my hands down to my side. Or maybe that'll leave me unprepared for...

Spoiler

BAM!!

INTP dead

The INTP will win, because it is an unlikely fight. You have to consider what caused it.

It probably started when the ENTP wouldn't stop annoying the INTP. The INTP has never shown even the slightest violent streak before, and takes a lot of annoyance, gently ramping up the warnings, possibly over days, which are so subtle they go unheeded by his companion. Suddenly, the INTP snaps! Next thing you know, there is a very hurt ENTP on the floor. The whole thing is over in seconds. The ENTP looks up, sorrow in his eyes, because he didn't know the INTP was getting so upset.

Been there, done that. Except the last part. It was to an ESTP/ ISTP, though (it was long ago, so I can only guess on the vague things I remember about him). A sensor yields bonus points as they are harder to beat with their superior physique and carelessness.

 

[Cavallier]

If the ENTP and INTP are a long time nemesis of one another then I don't think a full frontal attack will be launched by either side. No, they will elude and strike. Shadow and trap. Neither ever fully getting the upper hand.

However, if the fight is merely coincidental and the ENTP and INTP have no previous history with one another then I think the ENTP will ultimately lose to the INTP. If all things are equal such as fighting skill and physical prowess that is.

The ENTP will attempt to make a quick plan in which he does something elaborate to fake out the INTP. If the INTP watches closely and manages to avoid this opening maneuver then he has a chance at winning. While the INTP stays calm the ENTP will get more excited. The INTP will need to watch the ENTP's posturing and flamboyant fighting style and wait for the ENTP to leave an opening. Then the INTP can strike. At this time the INTP may attempt to use a follow up blow but beware. The ENTP may recover quickly and turn the second INTP blow away. The INTP should perhaps back off at this point and let the ENTP continue to tire themselves out.

Through these tactics I suspect the INTP will have a chance at winning. The key is to understand that the ENTP often overestimates his abilities and often attempts untried tactics. If the INTP remains calm and sticks to what he knows he will win.

 

[bloozie]

The ENTP would always be one step ahead of the INTP because the latter wouldn't be as ambitious to attain such a feat.

 

[bloozie]

Through these tactics I suspect the INTP will have a chance at winning. The key is to understand that the ENTP often overestimates his abilities and often attempts untried tactics. If the INTP remains calm and sticks to what he knows he will win.

The ENTP's quick ability to switch tactics on the fly would catch the INTP off guard who would still be thinking about the previous attack.

 

[Trebuchet]

The ENTP's quick ability to switch tactics on the fly would catch the INTP off guard who would still be thinking about the previous attack.

I must say, that is an extremely good point.

 

[jacobfake]

In a brawl, ENTP - the INTP would be to busy trying to decide what to do, as I think somebody pointed out.

but in a (slightly off topic but probably not deserving of an entire new thread) FIGHT, I'd go with the INTP. By fight I mean - you have more time to think beforehand, preferably, something like "You and me wednesday after school," or at least while one guys talking trash or the ring of people is forming around you. Also, a brawl is more to the point while a fight usually has an audience, making it unlikely to end as quickly. While the ENTP is pumping up the crowd, the INTP will be sizing up his opponent, looking for weak spots, seeing what he can use from the surroundings, deciding how he'll open, etc. Given a few days he'll decide which moves are most likely to be needed based on the opponents size, experience, etc. and try to learn them, research past fights his opponent was in, etc. At the extreme other end from a brawl, given months in a karate kid style thing, well then it would be game over.
Also this applies to "the INTP would snap out of nowhere" because leading up to the snap he would be deciding what to do.

In short: the more time he has to prepare, the more likely the INTP is to win.


(of course, more sudden brawls are more common, and the ENTP probably is in better shape, and if the ENTP were the one to start the fight there's a fair chance the INTP wasn't even paying attention to him and was caught totally by surprise, so I voted ENTP. )

 

[johndude77]

Of course, it depends upon the physical attributes of the ENTP and the INTP. Just for argument sake we will say they have equal ability and equal fighting experience. Jacob makes a very good point with how much time the two have to prepare for the fight. The INTP will be sure to stay up day and night preparing for this fight. He will already have the fight planned out in his mind and know what to do for each move by his opponent. The ENTP however will be able to analyze the INTP's moves quickly and be able to come up with counter moves, that the INTP may not have been prepared for. Knowing the ENTP probably has more friends in the crowd (assuming this is a school fight and there is a circle around the players) he will be feeding off the energy and support he recieves from them. While the INTP is trying to deal with all the people in the crowd rooting for the ENTP.

So who do I think will win in the end? Eh, I think the ENTP will have the upper hand even if the INTP is given a large sum of time to prepare for this fight. But of course, the fight will be very close and could go either way. (Never underestimate the power of INTPs )

 

[Cavallier]

You who keep arguing that we'd be too busy thinking to react are forgetting about our ability to think quickly. Yes, we think a lot. That does not mean we do it slowly. An INTP can make high speed calculations and high speed decisions when need be. In an emergency the INTP is able to quickly discern which of the plethora of choices appears to be the best option.

Sure, we might get hung up by our introverted thinking but we have extroverted intuition to guide us in those moments when we need to make snap decisions.

 

[Yasmin]

Now why would an INTP and ENTP be in a brawl at all?

As an INTP, I quite adore ENTPs.

 

[johndude77]

Now why would an INTP and ENTP be in a brawl at all?

As an INTP, I quite adore ENTPs.

Just to satisfy the curiosity I suppose.

As for the whole INTP people thinking fast as well, yes, I completely agree. INTPs can think just as fast as anyone else. Now however, INTPs seem to second guess themselves, I know I do for one. So they may think twice before executing the move/thing they're going to do. They can come up with it quick, that is very true, but they may second guess the move, which would take away time.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

On pure thinking, such as brain vs brain it's kind of a stalemate. Introverted Ti+Ne has a horde of information ready to be constructed in different ways. Extroverted Ne+Ti knows the best way to apply thoughts.

Theoretically what you would witness is the ENTP dishing out critical attacks that make the INTP pause for a moment. And the INTP would counter by rephrasing the ENTPs words, catching him off guard. INTP is in a favorable position going second because he has time to take in information and reconstruct ideas. ENTP would destroy the competition if he is last because his thoughts would be concentrated into an effective rebuttal.

What would make you think one is winning is the INTP's signature pause and the ENTP's oversights.

 

[Hammett]

ENTP, because the INTP would be busy hypothesising about things like this:

What would the argument be about though?

That and my partner's an INTP and I totally kick their ass, I'm way more determined to win.

I think we should ask an ENTP and see what they think.

I think some are confusing ENTPs with ESTPs. We're like the faster, less worried versions of you guys we're not necessarily *idiotic fratboys.



*please to note that is not what I consider ESTPs to be, I'm just naturally over dramatic! *grin*

 

[Agent of Chaos]

All else being equal, I think it depends on who is the dirtiest fighter...I don't like fighting but I also do not back down if I'm in the right. If I do have to fight, I want it to end fast with them to be the first one down and not me. I have absolutely no compunction against groin shots or any other "dirty" move.
I'm not going to try and take on someone twice my size or a trained martial artist. I may be crazy but that is sheer stupidity.

Ever hear the expression "It's better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6"?

 

[Jedi]

The INTP would execute a lethal judo-chop to the jugular whilst the ENTP is distracted by two dogs humping.