Which ones are the most superstitious introvert types?

[Ex-User (14663)]

And maybe into woo-woo stuff, spirituality, new-age, weird buddhism stuff, etc.

Any ideas?

 

[Black Rose]

Not sure but I am ENFJ and I did have a vision from God one time. Also had a demonic attack once from the Antichrist.

 

[TheManBeyond]

nanook says he's intp or infp, he's into spirituality, but he knows how to separate good stuff from bad so it might be a bad example
my exgf suddenly got into buddishm, she was an istp i think, actually another exgf was into buddishm and meditation and yoga, she was probably isfp
i find it boring overall, i have thought of meditation and buddishm and stuff but meh, have so much stuff to do, can't try everything!
any type can be into it for several reasons i guess.
it's about feeling a void right? that's what living is like.

 

[nanook]

intuition is comprehension of process. spirituality is our understanding of the greater processes of biological life (reap what you sow) or psychological life (grow an ego, then grow beyond it). that means spiritual intelligence is the main product of your intuition, the master work of your life. in a different sense of the word, "spirituality" is that, which is only understood by intuition, but happens by itself, meaning it simply IS life, all of it, with or without understanding or itself. what wilber would call interiority.

there is primitive understanding of life and there is primitive life. for example magical thinking (superstition) is primitive understanding but being convinced of your narcissistic power in life is not only such a limited understanding of life but also a primitive life. there is also highly evolved understanding of life. but that would be beyond you. there is also highly evolved life. i leave that to someone else.

naturally all types can be primitive or evolved individuals. young people are naturally more primitive but there is the distinction to be made between young people with more evolutionary potential and those with less. then there is the problem of damage, where either life or understanding of it or both are partially more and partially less evolved.

you can not have an authentic evolved understanding without being evolved, but you can have a primitive understanding and be evolved.

by definition sensors have a less developed understanding of life, so they are the ones full of primitive ideas about the ways of life. but if your believes are just mediocre, than you won't even be able to tell the difference between a primitive understanding and one that is way above your head. this is called pre-trans fallacy. so ironically sensors are more likely to have but a mediocre understanding of life and someone with mediocre understanding would be highly judgmental of primitive understanding, so therefore of other sensors, hence the irony. albeit primitive understanding is also a stage that anyone with potential would grow through, intuitives too. been there, done that. with evolved understanding you have no problem seeing the partial truths of all levels of understanding, so you don't pretend like the whole matter of understanding (spirituality/intuition) is some disgusting shit below your dignity.

that said, there is a huge contrast in the nature of introverted and extroverted intuition. introverted intuition is about a 100 times more likely to be associated with a label like woo-woo. regardless of how primitive or evolved. however, as my own case demonstrates, extroverted intuition is also often perceived as "woo woo", just because it is evolved enough to integrate the partial truths of all kinds and levels of intuition, including the worst woo woo, one's own and almost anybody else's.

when you look at the big gurus of the woo-woo world (from helena blavatski to charles manson, from auribindo to ken wilber) you have a fair mix of introverted and extroverted intuition. (i don't mean just those four examples, i mean all of them)

in the cases of primitive and confused and downright false understandings, my impression is that the extroverted cases that seem woo-woo are more likely to be con jobs (such as youtube channeling for money, human design typology, teaching flat earth, etc) or narcissistic mania, while the introverted cases are more likely to be like a genuinely weird perception of reality.

so basically: you are asking for permission to make a fallacy between typology and development. its the individual with poor development that are the most weird, psychotic etc. it shows up in very different ways. one nutjob (ISTJ, uncreative) goes to church on sunday and takes things literally, forces his family to comply with dogmatic duties and tabus, another one thinks he is a dragon soul incarnated into a human body (INTJ, highly imaginative) but both are not representative of their type, because their main feature is that they have a low (flat) level (impulsive & magic-mythical) of development. meanwhile the ISTP eats your brain to acquire your powers.

 

[onesteptwostep]

easily isfp

 

[washti]

Yeah like Serac make this thread after some post interaction with Animekitty, who is very woo-woo (That all anime weird girls )and the same time has that very odd moments of deeper insight. Which are too woo-woo but cool. Nanook is not woo-woo, he is always making some synthesy of woo-woo stuff and rationalize it to fits his current understending. And that is fluid shifting shit - you can see this if you read his posts across years.
WOO-WOO WOO-WOO WOO-WOO WOO-WOO WOO-WOO WOO-WOO WOO-WOO

 

[Creeping Death]

NF's seem likely, probably SF's as well, but I don't usually interact with any. Yeah, quite a few NF's I know are into astrology, chakras, "energies", Deepak Chopra, spirits, blah blah. One ENFJ in particular who just thinks she's something special because she's in the know about a lot of bullshit subjects.

 

[TheManBeyond]

The problem i have with nanook argument is that how can u say believing in tulpa is a Ni not woo woo thing while believing u can upload your videos and your speeches to YouTube and get some money out of it is.
He's always a bit impartial.

 

[nanook]

exactly, wasti.

for those who think i must be "NF because spirituality" (duh!), you should consider the fact that i was an atheist my whole life, an archeology fan in childhood, then a sci fi fan. like many of you, i did not understand or care about spirituality, until i had real life experiences of transcending the egoic rational mind (mid twenties), followed by experiments with entheogens. prior to that i used my extroverted intuition for psychoanalysis (not even on the esoteric level of carl jung jet, mainly limited to psychiatry) or understanding human evolution, from cavemen to star trek TNG. i had the odd introverted intuition now and then but never quite made something out of it. it was mainly present as a fascination with characters like batman. his thing with bats is totally Ni.

 

[nanook]

The problem i have with nanook argument is that how can u say believing in tulpa is a Ni not woo woo thing while believing u can upload your videos and your speeches to YouTube and get some money out of it is.
He's always a bit impartial.

wut? did i say any of that? lol, such whisper mail.

what i was trying to say in my second-last paragraph was more like: Ne conmen will sometimes use their Ne to fake Ni. they can not fake evolved Ni but primitive Ni. and use that to exploit the primitive Ni of their primitive audience to draw them into a ridiculous cult or entertainment thing for money. such as human design, in my opinion. while primitive Ni types are less likely to get a huge audience with genuine "scizophrenic" ideas. and the more evolved Ni types (teal swan) already own the target group (there is also some Ne conning involved imho). i am not certain about scientology. i think it may also be an Ne scam.

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

"i'm not superstitious at all; my pastor warned me about all that new-age nonsense!"

 

[TheManBeyond]

@nanook, i know what u mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oCjPFo7tYM

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teal swan dream girl, her gestures make me believe for a while she's Ne dom actually

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[Jennywocky]

Within introverts My guess off-cuff would be INFJ, since they seem more prone to premonitions, and predictive dreams, and vibes of people, and trusting the inner instinct, and all that -- they seem to talk about it more fluently, that's for sure, as if it were just a daily part of existence. like tapping into the mystical underbelly of existence.

The thing I didn't expect... I've noticed a weird dichotomy after spending so many years in Christian faith circles... ISFJs seem to be so practical and concrete on the surface, in terms of how they do things, the processes they follow, getting things organized a certain way. You wouldn't expect to see a large opposing side, but I noticed a lot there also seemed to be a lot of magical faith thinking, and validity much more on the power of belief and total faith in the object of one's worship, so that once the tenets were accepted, they didn't necessarily need to make sense o be understood. It's like "here are the claims of the faith" so then you could place total faith in the being true and not have to worry about synthesizing them or having them justify themselves in some manner. It was always "Well God said this so it must be true" or "Since I believe the holy words must be true, this miracle happened and can happen for me too," or something similar, even if at the same time they could admit it didn't seem very likely from other viewpoints... but they would find it very easily to accept anyway, and very strongly accept and pursue.

It felt very much like magical thinking to me, since for me I have to tear everything apart, and if the beliefs aren't rationally justifiable or have strong evidential support, then they are greatly weakened in my eyes. I think it was the strength of the magical thinking juxtaposed with the otherwise-practicality of the personality functioning that really struck me.

 

[Black Rose]

Yeah like Serac make this thread after some post interaction with Animekitty

I think my discussion with him in his thread about Searls Chinese room has made progress.

Marvin the Robot Your Plastic Pal Who's FUN To Be With

 

[Black Rose]

more evolved Ni types (teal swan)

I do not get good vibes from teal.

Better feelings from spirit science.

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

Yeah like Serac make this thread after some post interaction with Animekitty, who is very woo-woo (That all anime weird girls )and the same time has that very odd moments of deeper insight. Which are too woo-woo but cool. Nanook is not woo-woo, he is always making some synthesy of woo-woo stuff and rationalize it to fits his current understending. And that is fluid shifting shit - you can see this if you read his posts across years.
WOO-WOO WOO-WOO WOO-WOO WOO-WOO WOO-WOO WOO-WOO WOO-WOO

I take it you liked the word woo-woo?

But the inspiration for this wasn't my discussion with AK. It was this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1OohXxoDoY

 

[Black Rose]

Wiki article on Intuition.
The woo-woo stuff is more seen in Ni than (Si, Ti, or Fi)

In Carl Jung's theory of the ego, described in 1916 in Psychological Types, intuition is an "irrational function", opposed most directly by sensation, and opposed less strongly by the "rational functions" of thinking and feeling. Jung defined intuition as "perception via the unconscious": using sense-perception only as a starting point, to bring forth ideas, images, possibilities, ways out of a blocked situation, by a process that is mostly unconscious.[33]

Jung said that a person in whom intuition is dominant, an "intuitive type", acts not on the basis of rational judgment but on sheer intensity of perception. An extraverted intuitive type, "the natural champion of all minorities with a future", orients to new and promising but unproven possibilities, often leaving to chase after a new possibility before old ventures have borne fruit, oblivious to his or her own welfare in the constant pursuit of change. An introverted intuitive type orients by images from the unconscious, ever exploring the psychic world of the archetypes, seeking to perceive the meaning of events, but often having no interest in playing a role in those events and not seeing any connection between the contents of the psychic world and him- or herself. Jung thought that extraverted intuitive types were likely entrepreneurs, speculators, cultural revolutionaries, often undone by a desire to escape every situation before it becomes settled and constraining—even repeatedly leaving lovers for the sake of new romantic possibilities. His introverted intuitive types were likely mystics, prophets, or cranks, struggling with a tension between protecting their visions from influence by others and making their ideas comprehensible and reasonably persuasive to others—a necessity for those visions to bear real fruit.

 

[TheManBeyond]

Hard to tell. I play the everchnaging revolutionary and the consistent closed minded visionary almost half half. Actually I would say 40 / 60.
Funnily I just watched an interview with Putin about lgbt, he was told that people must choose gender first for their belief validates their condition. He answers saying well then I can believe I am a blue whale with superpowers and mutant skills.
Which reminded me of myself saying I wanted to reincarnate into a big whale with telekinesis skills.

Where is the link between him and me? Why do we both want to be a whale with superpowers?
Ni?.

 

[Shadowlands97]

I am into and have had a runin with some gray aliens. And one blueish gray that tried to get me to burn myself. I adopted Macready's outlook on life after The Thing as well as Choronzon's.

 

[QuickTwist]

easily isfp

Was thinking the same.

 

[PmjPmj]

Thing is, Se is more concerned with treating the data relayed to them via their senses as concrete. Thus, Se (and Si) users are far less likely to be in to 'woo woo' than an intuitive.

Ni seeks to pierce the veil of reality; Ne seeks and entertains myriad interpretations.

As as strong Ni user myself, let me tell you - my Te may be the size of the moon, but sure as shit I'm down with the idea that there's a great deal more to this reality than meets the eye.

 

[QuickTwist]

Thing is, Se is more concerned with treating the data relayed to them via their senses as concrete. Thus, Se (and Si) users are far less likely to be in to 'woo woo' than an intuitive.

Ni seeks to pierce the veil of reality; Ne seeks and entertains myriad interpretations.

As as strong Ni user myself, let me tell you - my Te may be the size of the moon, but sure as shit I'm down with the idea that there's a great deal more to this reality than meets the eye.

ISFP's have immature Ni, so it comes out all weird sometimes. In other words, its more about how the 3rd and 4th (and shadow) operate more than the developed functions.

Besides, I am speaking from experience, not theory. Not to say you don't have some "out there" ideas, but I'd wager its worse for people who don't deal with Ni/Ne in a mature way.

Stevo is a perfect example of how sensors can believe some really fuck up shit.

 

[Black Rose]

ISFP's have immature Ni, so it comes out all weird sometimes.

My sister believes in ghosts and is ISFP that I think is not supported by physics. I have had strange things happen to me but I need explanations whereas other people just go with kooky rationalizations.