Which alignment or alignments based on the D&D Character Alignment system, are you?

[bbmanlupus]

I know usually people post a link to an alignment quiz but i decided to change things up and turn it into an alignment discussion because i've always wanted to do so.


The alignments i think i'm are: Chaotic Neutral,True Neutral,Neutral Good and either Chaotic Evil or
Neutral Evil.

I don't really trust anyone or anything at all because they all tend to oppress my freedom to do whatever i want to do which is what i long for and really only care about despite seeming like i don't. I also can be really lazy when it comes to everything and anything. I believe that good and bad are subjective as what one person views as good another will view as bad etc. For example: I slept with my good friend who is dating someone at the moment
some will consider me evil because of this or Neutral, however he offered to do it with me when i brought it up in a conversation one night and then he changed his mind while doing it with me so i stopped due to him changing his mind. I was so enjoying it until he stopped and since then i've been upset with him. So
because i sensed that he was gonna kill the enjoyment for me somehow, afterwards and still am irritated that he backed out. I also have gone and sold a christmas present after being told not to for money, because i was craving Popcorn at the time. I also for the longest time made it out to look like i forgave my mom but really i went over to her place with her current lover to eat and so she can't say that i don't see her at all.
I will always respect her for bringing me into this world but don't trust her.

I also believe that people should be free to do whatever they want, however whatever they end up doing with that freedom is on them to deal with not me.

I don't use violence but don't consider myself a pacifist because if i could find a way to use it with my lack of upper body strength i would.

I also don't like being told no but tend to swallow my feelings about the issue and pretend like i don't.


If you think i could pass for one of those alignments then go for it and tell me which one it is and explain why.

Cannot wait to hear your feedback, will be interesting to see the responses.

 

[SpaceYeti]

I'm not going to lie and claim this discussion can go very smoothly without defining exactly what qualities place someone firmly into each category. Granting this, I'll give myself a range, rather than a specific alignment.

I'm either Neutral or Neutral Good, with a slight chance towards chaos or law depending on the exact qualifiers.

I will try not to turn this into a discussion about how the D&D alignment system is somewhere between bad to meaningless.

 

[redbaron]

Chaotic neutral.

 

[Proletar]

Chaotic good. Respect for people and their struggles, but not for any sort of system that tries to force anyone to do anything.

It's interesting how the law tries to dress lawfulness as good, and then throws some evil into it.

 

[Cognisant]

In real life I'm lawful good, then again I live in a civilised society and I have neither the means nor motivation (I'm not set to profit) by harming others, I mean sure I could mug people, probably get away with it most of the time too, but the profit/risk ratio is too low.

If however I were a lot wealthier and could profit indirectly from say the mass assassination of world leaders at the upcoming G20 summit and could finance the operation through of-the-books cash, I'd certainly consider it, and various contingency plans in case things went wrong.

Well not plans per say, it's like putting a chess piece in a position that increases the number of moves it can make next turn, there may be no immediate benefit to this but as the board changes it may later (by coincidence which seems like brilliance) be opportunely positioned. So I'm the chess piece, the positions I can allegorically move to are hidden stashes of equipment, transport, safe houses, people I can rely on, people I have leverage on, alternate identities I can assume, enemies I can get close to and frame for my actions, etc.

So yeah, I'm neutral evil, but unmotivated.

 

[Jennywocky]

Neutral Good. Sometimes I can veer toward Neutral a bit.

Both order and chaos serve their purpose.

So yeah, I'm neutral evil, but unmotivated.

How disappointing. I can't think of anything worse than an evil person who doesn't care about doing evil. You might as well be good and do nothing good.

 

[Duxwing]

True Neutral. I'm unmotivated either way.

-Duxwing

 

[Cavallier]

What I would be given Cog's list of variables would be chaotic good.

What I am IRL is closer to neutral good. Sorry guys. Not a lot of evil here so much as a general unwillingness to be stepped on.

 

[Cognisant]

Neutral evil doesn't do evil for evil's sake, they do evil for themselves, it's the chaotic evil people who do evil for evil's sake (hedonism) and the lawful evil who do evil either because utopia justifies the means, in which case you're really talking about a confused lawful good person, or in the case of a true lawful evil doing evil for evil's sake (existential congruence).

You have to understand that neutrality is to seek balance between order and chaos, to neither be in total control or without any control, a lawful evil person imprisons people, a chaotic evil person takes no prisoners, a neutral evil person sets people up to imprison themselves.

Y'know Al Pacino's Speech in "The Devil's Advocate"?
God is neutral evil.

Hence the obsession with wealth and power, they are the means by which the game of irony is played, the art of misery, Al Pacino's devil is himself neutral evil or as he calls himself a "humanist", y'see art is the creation of things people can see themselves in, all art is a reflection of humanity, so what better art could there be to create art of humans themselves, art that they can truly empathise with, find a bum on the street and watch the expressions of people as they walk past, a silent choir of screaming, their eyes burning with shame as they walk away, walking on stiff legs, they want to run but they can't.

Baroque is positively dull by comparison.

 

[Jennywocky]

Neutral evil doesn't do evil for evil's sake, they do evil for themselves, it's the chaotic evil people who do evil for evil's sake (hedonism) and the lawful evil who do evil either because utopia justifies the means, in which case you're really talking about a confused lawful good person, or in the case of a true lawful evil doing evil for evil's sake (existential congruence).

Yes, I know. I've been playing D&D since 1980... although there's some variation within the alignments, just as there is among INTPs.

 

[Cognisant]

I've never played D&D

 

[Jennywocky]

I've never played D&D

Someone explaining gaming rules, who has never played?

Gratz. You just gained another level on your Geek card.

 

[SpaceYeti]

To be fair, the D&D alignments are pretty well known by themselves.

 

[Cognisant]

Yeah, it counts more towards my villain card.

 

[Nezaros]

True Neutral. I don't care about others enough to do good, but I neither want to hurt people nor am selfish enough to do evil. Maybe edging a little bit into Chaotic Neutral, but I'm not quite that abhorrent of order. Just enough so as to definitely not be Lawful.

 

[SpaceYeti]

To be fair, everyone, villains tend not to consider themselves evil. Unless we're watching a children's cartoon. Even someone who watches themselves utilize dark energies, why would it matter what kind of impersonal energy you use when you're using it for such "noble" ends, right? And what if your ends actually do wind up being noble, on purpose or not?

And now I'm getting into the stupidity of D&D alignments. Go ahead and ignore me.

 

[Cybeny]

I only looked at this once a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure I was neutral.

For Lawful/Chaotic, I can see a point to both. You need to follow the laws of society, in order to get anywhere. However, in my natural state I'd like freedom to follow whatever I wanted.

For Good/Evil, I always saw myself as a good guy, but I must have an evil streak to me! It could be because if someone disrespects me, then I feel its only right that I can disrespect them back!

 

[Nezaros]

And now I'm getting into the stupidity of D&D alignments. Go ahead and ignore me.

D&D alignments assume black and white objective morality, which makes a little bit of sense considering the setting and how most campaigns are run. But yeah, it's silly.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

I know usually people post a link to an alignment quiz but i decided to change things up and turn it into an alignment discussion because i've always wanted to do so.


The alignments i think i'm are: Chaotic Neutral,True Neutral,Neutral Good and either Chaotic Evil or
Neutral Evil.

I don't really trust anyone or anything at all because they all tend to oppress my freedom to do whatever i want to do which is what i long for and really only care about despite seeming like i don't. I also can be really lazy when it comes to everything and anything. I believe that good and bad are subjective as what one person views as good another will view as bad etc. For example: I slept with my good friend who is dating someone at the moment
some will consider me evil because of this or Neutral, however he offered to do it with me when i brought it up in a conversation one night and then he changed his mind while doing it with me so i stopped due to him changing his mind. I was so enjoying it until he stopped and since then i've been upset with him. So
because i sensed that he was gonna kill the enjoyment for me somehow, afterwards and still am irritated that he backed out. I also have gone and sold a christmas present after being told not to for money, because i was craving Popcorn at the time. I also for the longest time made it out to look like i forgave my mom but really i went over to her place with her current lover to eat and so she can't say that i don't see her at all.
I will always respect her for bringing me into this world but don't trust her.

I also believe that people should be free to do whatever they want, however whatever they end up doing with that freedom is on them to deal with not me.

I don't use violence but don't consider myself a pacifist because if i could find a way to use it with my lack of upper body strength i would.

I also don't like being told no but tend to swallow my feelings about the issue and pretend like i don't.


If you think i could pass for one of those alignments then go for it and tell me which one it is and explain why.

Cannot wait to hear your feedback, will be interesting to see the responses.

You seem Chaotic Neutral.

 

[SpaceYeti]

D&D alignments assume black and white objective morality, which makes a little bit of sense considering the setting and how most campaigns are run. But yeah, it's silly.

I'm well aware. The problem is practical application of the absolutes. For a game, it's whatever, but the game would not suffer, and may even be better, without.

 

[Amagi82]

I'm certainly chaotic, though whether I'm good, evil, or somewhere in between is largely based on perspective. If I was given power, from my perspective, I'd be doing good. From a Christian's perspective, I'd be doing evil.

As an example, were I in power, I might give people a test, and surreptitiously sterilize everyone who fails it, with the intent of stabilizing population figures, lowering the incidence of religion, and raising the intelligence of future generations. Is that good or evil?

 

[redbaron]

I think that it was unwise of the OP to omit a way for people to see what each alignment is. But I think it would be interesting to see if people revise their opinions after reading actual D&D descriptions using this link.

http://easydamus.com/alignment.html

I'm definitely Chaotic Neutral.

 

[bbmanlupus]

You seem Chaotic Neutral.

Well i do scream oppression at cars when they don't let me go where i want to go and i don't like the idea of being told what i can and cannot do so you tell me if i'm Chaotic Neutral or not.

 

[redbaron]

All this talk of D&D makes me want to play the Baldur's Gate series again.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Then do?

 

[Cognisant]

The difference is in a game world there are actual gods, the DM if none other, so in that sense good and evil are a distinction between what is natural and unnatural with nature being whatever said gods will it to be. For example:

Neutral Evil God:

"A quick test of the assertion that enjoyment outweighs pain in this world, or that they are at any rate balanced, would be to compare the feelings of an animal engaged in eating another with those of the animal being eaten." - Arthur Schopenhauer

"In early youth, as we contemplate our coming life, we are like children in a theatre before the curtain is raised, sitting there in high spirits and eagerly waiting for the play to begin. It is a blessing that we do not know what is really going to happen. Could we foresee it, there are times when children might seem like innocent prisoners, condemned, not to death, but to life, and as yet all unconscious of what their sentence means." - Arthur Schopenhauer

Chaotic Evil God:

"Let us give ourselves indiscriminately to everything our passions suggest, and we will always be happy... Conscience is not the voice of Nature but only the voice of prejudice." - Marquis De Sade, unconfirmed

"To kill a man in a paroxysm of passion is understandable, but to have him killed by someone else after calm and serious meditation and on the pretext of duty honourably discharged is incomprehensible.
" - Marquis De Sade, unconfirmed

Lawful Evil God

"Intemperance is naturally punished with diseases; rashness, with mischance; injustice; with violence of enemies; pride, with ruin; cowardice, with oppression; and rebellion, with slaughter." - Thomas Hobbes

"When all the world is overcharged with inhabitants, then the last remedy of all is war, which provideth for every man, by victory or death." - Thomas Hobbes

Of course these are selected quotes, real people aren't good or evil, but to paraphrase Schopenhauer we choose what we want, not what we want to want, so it's entirely conceivable that the neutral evil god sees life as an abomination to be mercifully destroyed (a solemn death incarnate), the chaotic evil god considers only the capacity for pleasure divine and violence a natural occurrence thereof (hedonistic murder-rapist) and the lawful evil god sees life's march towards complexity, the cycle of creation and destruction, empire building and war respectively, as the meaning of life's existence (surprisingly likeable, even helps the hero's defeat the evil empire, but only so he can have them build the next one).

 

[Cognisant]

So anything you do that gains favour with one of these omniscient three, or all three, is automatically evil, while protecting life, being a hippy, and humility/stability will get you brownie points with the good gods.

 

[Jennywocky]

So anything you do that gains favour with one of these omniscient three, or all three, is automatically evil, while protecting life, being a hippy, and humility/stability will get you brownie points with the good gods.

Uhh.... well, just clarifying that there are no "alignment gods." Instead, various gods in various pantheons are assigned to alignments just as people are, to better play them out.

To provide an example, there might be a number of gods that would be labeled "Neutral Good" but there is no "God of Neutral Good." And the Neutral Good gods might vary significantly within that alignment, and could even be at odds with each other.

And yeah, if you serve a Neutral Good god, letting the whacko down the street kill and eat your neighbor's baby while you just sat there and filmed it for a YouTube vid probably won't please him.

it's just like dealing with human beings, except they have a lot more power.

But I'd also reconsider "getting brownie points with Evil" gods. Isn't that kind of a contradiction? If they are evil (and especially non-Lawful), they're as like to screw you over when they get a chance. You can't win points easily with Neutrals and Chaotics, points don't mean anything; and Evil means they don't really respect your rights or life.

 

[Cognisant]

Uhh.... well, just clarifying that there are no "alignment gods." Instead, various gods in various pantheons are assigned to alignments just as people are, to better play them out.

In your game maybe, there's many such variations though.
http://danielscreations.com/ola/gods/gods.html

To provide an example, there might be a number of gods that would be labeled "Neutral Good" but there is no "God of Neutral Good." And the Neutral Good gods might vary significantly within that alignment, and could even be at odds with each other.

My examples could just as happily work together as against each other, it all depends upon context, all might think a great war is a good idea, but CE and LE will prevent NE from wiping out all life, indeed LE wants the birth rate back up to build the next empire, to which I'm sure CE is full of ideas, if not all helpful ones.

And yeah, if you serve a Neutral Good god, letting the whacko down the street kill and eat your neighbor's baby while you just sat there and filmed it for a YouTube vid probably won't please him.

What about the true neutral- yeah I figured that's dumb before I finished writing it.
The chaotic evil god would like it though, not as much as it likes the wacko, but still.

it's just like dealing with human beings, except they have a lot more power.

But that's not really a god is it? They have philosophical ramifications by merely existing!
If they didn't then they'd just be really powerful people no different to any other.
That's not epic enough for me.

But I'd also reconsider "getting brownie points with Evil" gods. Isn't that kind of a contradiction? If they are evil (and especially non-Lawful), they're as like to screw you over when they get a chance. You can't win points easily with Neutrals and Chaotics, points don't mean anything; and Evil means they don't really respect your rights or life.

My neutral evil example probably gets converts by interrupting suicides and offering them a purpose, then there's the particularly murderous who come for him for greater killing power, and more disturbingly perhaps a necrophilliac grave keeper who wants to expand his collection, there's all sorts out there. Likewise as you said the chaotic evil example probably gets all the wackos, perhaps also the debauched wealthy, and I dunno pirates maybe, he doesn't want any of them to serve him but y'know partying by yourself isn't as much fun as partying with others, he probably wants them to emulate him to justify his (or her, whatever) insanity.

Of course they're mercurial and traitorous, who do you think you are, do you think any mortal could ever possibly be special, you're just a pawn them them, less in fact, pawns don't go replacing themselves every five or so turns, you're ammunition to be spent, money to be wasted, grease for the engine, this applies to all gods btw, the good ones are far more concerned with the greater good then your happiness.

 

[Nezaros]

I'm certainly chaotic, though whether I'm good, evil, or somewhere in between is largely based on perspective. If I was given power, from my perspective, I'd be doing good. From a Christian's perspective, I'd be doing evil.

As an example, were I in power, I might give people a test, and surreptitiously sterilize everyone who fails it, with the intent of stabilizing population figures, lowering the incidence of religion, and raising the intelligence of future generations. Is that good or evil?

From my perspective, good. From a traditional viewpoint, that might be lawful neutral, but that of course relies entirely on perspective. An inherent flaw in the D&D alignment system, yes, but keep in mind the intended purpose of the system. To keep track of actions within a fantasy world which includes gods, and subsequently objective morality. It's pointless to use such a system in a world without objective morality, for any meaningful purpose at least.

 

[SpaceYeti]

When considering Gods and alignment, even if there is a "God of Tyranny" and a "God of Freedom", etc, they're not so much the god of a certain alignment so much as the god of things which fall under certain alignments. Saying there are gods of alignments is pretty meta-gamey. It can be done, sure, but I wouldn't do it.

It's kind of like gods of shapes. Shapes are just ways of describing things, but you technically can do gods of them. Hell, that might even be fun, now that I'm thinking about it. People worship Trugulon, and they make pyramid shaped temples, and all things pyramid automatically fall under his jurisdiction... but generally pyramids are just a shape used to describe things, just like alignments are just descriptions of how people behave, or even of certain energies... How would being a god of Lawful Good work? Would anything and everything Lawful Good suddenly have to fall under your jurisdiction, or would the god be less a sentient entity and more the energy of Lawfulness and Goodness combined?

Edit; When your powers combine, I am Captain LG!