What's your ideal occupation?

[Coolydudey]

Now that we've answered what our occupation is, we can move onto what our ideal occupation is. Some abstract discussion of this sort has come up recently, such as there shouldn't be micro-management etc. I want however for you to post your ideal job, then post your ideal job within practical limitations.
So for me:
Ideal:researcher/founder of vey small company based on my research.
Given practical limitations:haven't finished school yet, so too early to say.

For reference, here is the thread I was talking about http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=12902

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Millennial Destroyer

 

[A22]

Beta Tester

 

[nanook]

1) bum

2) with some more self-actualization: personal guru (talking individuals through world-view and identity crises )

i can't imagine anything [ideal] in between those extremes, unfortunately.

 

[snafupants]

Lottery winner.

 

[skip]

I would love to travel around the world and solve problems for people.

 

[Coolydudey]

Please don't forget to make the distinction between theoretical ideal job (lottery winner), and a practically achievable ideal job (insert here)

 

[noksve]

I'd like to be God. Mainly because laying around on my back for eternity. And omnipotence is fine, also.

With practical limitations... uh... a politician? a cat? I don't know.

 

[NinjaSurfer]

Ideal occupation is Prince. I would not want the responsibilities of actually running the kingdom. I do like the idea of hot women feeding me grapes all day.

 

[catatonic]

I want to be a celibate nun.

 

[RedN]

I want to be a porn star and stripper on the side

 

[Noodle]

I would like to be a reindeer, preferably Rudolph. My usual attire is usually reindeer oriented.

 

[Vrecknidj]

Writer. Preferably a successful one. But, not so successful that I lose my anonymity.

 

[NinjaSurfer]

Design Your Perfect INTP Careers!

1. Must involve me sitting in front of the computer all day. I must be allowed to chat on all my chat services as well as troll on forums.

2. I cannot work on schedules or deadlines, as I sometimes forget to shower, drink, eat, and use the restroom-- so handing things in on time is out of the question.

3. Dealing with people is a definite "no no." I wish to report to no one, and to have no one directly reporting to me.

Thus, I have by process of elimination chosen the following profession:

Internet Forum Troll.

Is anyone hiring for this position?

 

[AlisaD]

Re: Design Your Perfect INTP Careers!

Well.... actually, I'm kinda starting a new website and it will have a forum as a part of it, and what's a forum without a troll, right?
I'll get back to you in about a week or so.
I can only pay you in old lady kisses and cheek pinches

 

[NinjaSurfer]

Re: Design Your Perfect INTP Careers!

YESSSSS I am SO Excited! W00T. I can even create multiple personalities and have those personalities talk to each other to make it seem like the forum is so much more alive than it really is!
mauahahahhahahahah

 

[AlisaD]

Re: Design Your Perfect INTP Careers!

You're hired! In fact, you're perfect! Prepare your cheeks, I have a whooooole lot of kisses coming your way

 

[Architect]

The problem with discussions like this is that in my experience it is more the actual position you have than the generic job description.

For example Skip mentions "travel the world and solve problems for people". I did that, traveled to Asia and Europe to solve engineering problems, and it was fun. But it was for one particular company and there was pressures and whatnot to deal with. Presumably he means solving BIG problems, in a variety of situations. That would be more interesting. See? Job position.

So I'll describe the characteristics that a hypothetical INTP would like in a ideal job

• System based problem solving and thinking
• Independence, autonomy and little supervision
• Freedom
• Low people interaction

This can be found in a variety of professions

• Software engineering jobs (I have this position presently)
• Small business owner
• Consultant
• College professor
• Tutor/Teacher

 

[snafupants]

High school janitor, retired pilot, choreographer, ice cream truck driver, civil rights attorney, undertaker, movie theatre usher, semi-professional clown, cashier, or adult film star.

 

[pjoa09]

@Architect How does any one of the professions other than software engineering involve little people interaction?

The closest is consultant.

I just want to be a bum with lots of money. Although I am not sure if I'd be happy about being one in a week. I'd pretty soon start showing up for a random interest just for the hell of it. I'd be interested to see what would I show up for.

 

[Puffy]

Writer. Preferably a successful one. But, not so successful that I lose my anonymity.

+1

 

[Architect]

@Architect How does any one of the professions other than software engineering involve little people interaction?

The closest is consultant.

@pjoa09

The ideal INTP job is often in the interstice or fringe of other jobs. All jobs require people interaction, it's just a matter of degree. Examples

• The park services have some number of people who need to figure out what needs to be done with the infrastructure - problem solving. Where to maintain the trails, put in foot bridges, deal with vegetation, etc.
• Paul Wolfowitz is probably an INTP in my estimation. He solved national security problems when part of the Bush White House, and probably spent much of his time thinking, with reporting to the president and staff on occasion.
• Building manager. Most of the time these people probably solve problems in keeping a large office or apartment building running. Other than dealing with tenants occasionally it should be straightforward.

There are many others. My point is that most types can find an easy slot to fit into, INTP's don't naturally fall into a lot of slots (engineering and consultant are the only two I can think of). So that means we need to get a little creative, and find unusual positions in regular jobs.

My advice to any young INTP is to pick up engineering. Even if you don't have prior experience - pick it up. Even if you aren't too interested in it (now) - pick it up. It will offer you the potential for more satisfaction and money than any other profession you can care to name. And if you really want to do something else (beach bum etc) this can fund that.

If you don't have a head for engineering, then seriously examine whether you are an INTP or not.

 

[Words]

Pffft. Why even talk about jobs, labor and all its economic-dependency... The idea of a "job" is such a temporality, present only in x<=21st century or at most a bit marginally further forward in time. It is such a harrowing social invention of 1-21st century mentality..Social meaning..etc...social perception...etc. etc... mindset...etc..etc.. revolution..etc...etc..

I like your aim for "founder". Now, what I want. What I want must not be, by any minute quantity or vague measure, dependent on the pettiness of slavery for survival, and/or some consumerist addiction or arbitrary idea of "enough economic flexibility." How chained, impure, and unnecessary...how ugly.

I do whatever I want, granted I do not impinge on anyone's freedom.. That is my job.

 

[Architect]

Words - call it what you want, but given economic reality (a single planet with limited resources) every creature on this planet has a 'job' whether they like it or not. Even trust fund babies have a job, managing wealth is quite difficult. And you can outsource it, or can you? Consider Bernie Madoff.

I do whatever I want, granted I do not impinge on anyone's freedom.. That is my job.

OK so you're sucking down oxygen - that's free. Unless you can afford to live away from the smokers, and the smog, you're not living in China I suppose? The high-cost-of-living western world? Buried costs there certainly. Water, food, a place to live ... somebody is paying.

Reminds me of a friend who just wants to hang out. He's inherited a lot of money I think. His career has been undistinguished, well his life as well. Never really did much other than consumed a lot of media. He's working again as the kids get a little older (he took many years off), mainly he looks at ways of saving money as he just quietly deteriorates. I don't know what the point is? He is benefiting from the contribution of others (the people that invented and built everything he uses), doesn't it make sense to give some to others before you expire? Doesn't just bare consumption existence get a little boring?

I digress ...

 

[Words]

@Architect

The world isn't divided between those who feed on it and those who enhance it. True, in a sense, my philosophy is purely "consumptive", but only because I like everything about what I'm doing---only because I am not burdened by another value... like survival or trying to achieve a specific numerical status. I want to make my ideas into reality. I want to create, but not because I feel obligated to, as a member of society or some shit, or because I need to so that I could live. I want to because I want to. That is purity. And I'm not one of these trust fund baby things.

 

[Coolydudey]

@pjoa09

The ideal INTP job is often in the interstice or fringe of other jobs. All jobs require people interaction, it's just a matter of degree. Examples

• The park services have some number of people who need to figure out what needs to be done with the infrastructure - problem solving. Where to maintain the trails, put in foot bridges, deal with vegetation, etc.
• Paul Wolfowitz is probably an INTP in my estimation. He solved national security problems when part of the Bush White House, and probably spent much of his time thinking, with reporting to the president and staff on occasion.
• Building manager. Most of the time these people probably solve problems in keeping a large office or apartment building running. Other than dealing with tenants occasionally it should be straightforward.

There are many others. My point is that most types can find an easy slot to fit into, INTP's don't naturally fall into a lot of slots (engineering and consultant are the only two I can think of). So that means we need to get a little creative, and find unusual positions in regular jobs.

My advice to any young INTP is to pick up engineering. Even if you don't have prior experience - pick it up. Even if you aren't too interested in it (now) - pick it up. It will offer you the potential for more satisfaction and money than any other profession you can care to name. And if you really want to do something else (beach bum etc) this can fund that.

If you don't have a head for engineering, then seriously examine whether you are an INTP or not.

Or you can get a good degree in maths. If you manage that, you're good stuff for a lot of employers. If you can get a really good degree in maths (unlikely to get in to really good universities for the majority of INTPs though), you're gold dust. Especially if you did a lot of applied math.

 

[pjoa09]

@pjoa09

The ideal INTP job is often in the interstice or fringe of other jobs. All jobs require people interaction, it's just a matter of degree. Examples

• The park services have some number of people who need to figure out what needs to be done with the infrastructure - problem solving. Where to maintain the trails, put in foot bridges, deal with vegetation, etc.
• Paul Wolfowitz is probably an INTP in my estimation. He solved national security problems when part of the Bush White House, and probably spent much of his time thinking, with reporting to the president and staff on occasion.
• Building manager. Most of the time these people probably solve problems in keeping a large office or apartment building running. Other than dealing with tenants occasionally it should be straightforward.

There are many others. My point is that most types can find an easy slot to fit into, INTP's don't naturally fall into a lot of slots (engineering and consultant are the only two I can think of). So that means we need to get a little creative, and find unusual positions in regular jobs.

My advice to any young INTP is to pick up engineering. Even if you don't have prior experience - pick it up. Even if you aren't too interested in it (now) - pick it up. It will offer you the potential for more satisfaction and money than any other profession you can care to name. And if you really want to do something else (beach bum etc) this can fund that.

If you don't have a head for engineering, then seriously examine whether you are an INTP or not.

@Architect
Not attempt at sarcasm but are you serious?

Because that might mean a lot in terms of where I am headed. If the end all be all for an INTP (which I presume I am due to many reasons) is engineering then do I quit whatever I am doing currently and join a university? The main reason to why I never thought I was fit for engineering was poor math. Which is really odd now that quite a few INTPs are really good at math. I am sounding a bit naive but if statement is true life would be a lot easier. I mean spending time trying to figure out what is my sole purpose in life with all that whim isn't exactly easy. The statement 'do what you want to do' just doesn't answer much.

@Coolydudey Yeah... I am not good at math for some apparent reason. But I haven't been doing much lately other than add and subtract on a life basis.I find it quite remarkable that some people are able to do a degree in math. I always found math uninteresting and difficult due to the fact that it was pretty much inapplicable until another subject displays its own application of math. Sometimes in strange ways. Creeps up on you.

 

[Coolydudey]

You only realise what a subject really is when you study it at degree-level. At least that's what I believe in. Math can be very practical if you focus on applied math at university though.

 

[Architect]

@Architect

The world isn't divided between those who feed on it and those who enhance it. True, in a sense, my philosophy is purely "consumptive" [/COLOR]

Fair enough, but my point is that from an economic hard reality standpoint the world is divided between the consumers and producers. No fault to you for being a consumptive type - you've got everybody else trying to get there too. Otherwise I don't understand what you are trying to say, but thats OK.

@Architect
Not attempt at sarcasm but are you serious?

Yes

Because that might mean a lot in terms of where I am headed. If the end all be all for an INTP (which I presume I am due to many reasons) is engineering then do I quit whatever I am doing currently and join a university?

Don't take my statements too seriously in a sense; I didn't say it was the 'end all be all' - whatever that may mean - nor do I expect every INTP to become an engineer. My point, which I could have clarified, is that for all the INTP's on this group who can't figure out what to do with themselves should throw it into engineering. Their likelihood to find success and happiness would be greater than for most other things they could try in my estimation.

Of course if you have another life course mapped out then by all means peruse that. However, even then, I'd encourage people to keep a foot in engineering. I had a career in music, then in the hard sciences before I found computers. I would have been nice had someone told me to keep up in computers when I was doing those other things.

My statement is also based on seeing every INTP that I've known (not a huge number) also eventually find their way into computers.

 

[pjoa09]

Don't take my statements too seriously in a sense; I didn't say it was the 'end all be all' - whatever that may mean - nor do I expect every INTP to become an engineer. My point, which I could have clarified, is that for all the INTP's on this group who can't figure out what to do with themselves should throw it into engineering. Their likelihood to find success and happiness would be greater than for most other things they could try in my estimation.

Of course if you have another life course mapped out then by all means peruse that. However, even then, I'd encourage people to keep a foot in engineering. I had a career in music, then in the hard sciences before I found computers. I would have been nice had someone told me to keep up in computers when I was doing those other things.

My statement is also based on seeing every INTP that I've known (not a huge number) also eventually find their way into computers.

Whoa. Hold on.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

pornstaaa

 

[Pizzabeak]

pornstaaa

^

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Seriously: A job I wouldn't mind losing sleep over. In fact a job that made me wish there were more hours in the day.

I just don't know what fits that.

 

[ummidk]

With a billion dollars, lottery winner could be a practical job, still financially stupid, but practical.

 

[Absurdity]

Psychologist or attorney with my own practice, writer, university professor, (legal) marijuana farmer, globetrotting vagabond, revolutionary polemicist, theologian/philosopher.

 

[The Gopher]

Ideal Job? Batman (in a realistic sense)

Realistic ideal job? Bait... for batman.
More realistic ideal job? Something involving travel. Maybe profesional cheapskate.

 

[Minuend]

To me the occupation doesn't really matter if I find the work challenging and interesting.

I'm more concerned with having the time to pursue my interests and the place where I can feel at ease. I always wanted a small house close to the forests, mountains and fjords.

 

[Lot]

I thought about this for awhile. I think I'd like to be a goat herder or a Shepard. Just live in the desert with my family, taking periodical journeys to civilization. Being the spiritual leader of my family and carving out a nation from my loins. Good old Abrahamic kinda fantasy.

As a more realistic dream job, a psychologist with his own practice. It's something I've set my focus on for quite some time.

 

[kora]

artist of some sort, not sure what form. Writing, punk rock, painting...Can't decide yet.
Stripper, bee-keeper, spy, creating cartoons, diplomat, circus performer (with animals) or university professor, something where you get to do loads of research would be nice I guess.

 

[kora]

Oh, I'd love to hold up a bank, I just don't have the guts to...yet

 

[m.love]

I like this question.

• Where I am the expert on any given topic.
• Where I can openly criticize without (negative) consequences.
• Where I need to deal with people to a minimum, preferably in writing only.

I think this might be a dream!

 

[kaisaki1342]

My ideal job will probably be a comic book writer/artist in Slice-of-life and Sci-fi genre where I can draw, research and design things and make an alternate world solely to please my mind full of random ideas.

I have some IT and CS knowledge which I also like. To all things I have tried (music, language and such) only computer and art (drawing) that I have been able to focus to, even if times I lost track I would either always fall be called back by this two. I also am part-time instructor and its not that daunting job.

PS: Never entered my mind to take engineering, maybe because I know since he was young that my ENTP brother will take the engineering course. He is better in math than me

 

[Architect]

I have some IT and CS knowledge which I also like. To all things I have tried (music, language and such) only computer and art (drawing)
...
PS: Never entered my mind to take engineering,

CS is Engineering.

 

[PhoenixRising]

I kind of have my ideal job. I always wanted to be a scientific illustrator, and I do medical and engineering animation. If I was going to be completely idealistic, I'd be an independent illustrator/animator in the natural sciences, most preferably biology and astronomy. Going on safari to study and document a rare species or working face-to-face with scientists and visualizing their discoveries would be my true ideal.

 

[Bus]

To me the occupation doesn't really matter if I find the work challenging and interesting.

I'm more concerned with having the time to pursue my interests and the place where I can feel at ease. I always wanted a small house close to the forests, mountains and fjords.

maybe you should study ecology and get a job in the field

 

[kaisaki1342]

CS is Engineering.

Ah yes it is , I meant to say the kind of engineering that is more hardware (I don't how to call it). When I was a child I never consider it. I took CS even at the time I am taking it I am not really sure that time.

I also would like to try a job like yours architect.

 

[DeadonDreaming]

I would like to occupy a real hot woman's bed.

 

[intpz]

Break into a house of a hot woman, steal her bed, get it home, occupy it. What's the problem? You don't have anything to do anyway for a day or so, said so yourself.

 

[DeadonDreaming]

Lets do this.

 

[SMO]

Just come up with ideas and plans for businesses, movies, advertising, but not really get involved in the actual work, just brainstorm, maybe assist with implementation. Of course I could talk about theories and politics all day as well.