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What's more valuable: Our personality type or IQ?

Rebis

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I want to start this off with a friend whom I know, they have an impressive IQ > 155, but that doesn't imply they think about stuff intelligently or explore concepts with deep intertwining connections. They're not a normie exactly but there's no eccentricism arising from them or interests in niche topics. I think generally speaking, an IQ of 115-120 is sufficient to understand abstraction in complex systems with the obvious sacrifice being time. So really, the personality type is the ability to extrapolate abstractions beyond normal means, which can rarely be encapsulated in a high IQ.

In most cases, IQ is simply indicative of a person's ability to learn fast, rather than extrapolate, and deeply consider the intricacies of a system.
 

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One of my friends in college had an IQ of around 160. But he is also very lazy and lacks any direction. He got good grades without effort and has worked as a taxi driver for the last 10 years. (There's nothing wrong with that, to me it's just reflective of his current effort threshold rather than what he would likely be doing at his best.)

I have an IQ of around 105-120 depending on what test I've taken. I've arguably made a lot more of that intellectually. I mainly put that down to the natural enthusiasm and state of flow that comes when you continue applying effort to an area of passionate interest. To me my passion, the underlying motivation, drives my intellect and defines it's upper limits of application.

I've also known people with very high IQ who were also in flow. In all honesty, it's like comparing the performance of two sets of hardware. Some hardware is simply able to perform better than other hardware and some hardware will simply be unable to keep up with the processing power of other hardware.

My main conclusion is that I don't think IQ is that important. It doesn't really shape my impression of someone to know their IQ. You're born with what you're born with and you can stretch or improve that up to a certain threshold. It's just a tool in the tool-kit. I think what you do with it and what you apply it towards is more significant.
 

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My main conclusion is that I don't think IQ is that important. It doesn't really shape my impression of someone to know their IQ. You're born with what you're born with and you can stretch or improve that up to a certain threshold. It's just a tool in the tool-kit. I think what you do with it and what you apply it towards is more significant.
Yep, most abstractions in the world are not conceptually difficult, most systems are intuitive and again are abstractions, which is available to most people that think. There is relatively no problem with grasping a concept in academia, it is more so that concepts are compounded and there is a lot of information, all tangenital from 1 subjects to multiple sub-disciplines.

A lot of people neglect the application of interest in a subject, think about how dopamine and serotonin effect synaptic junctions in the brain storing memories. Likewise, think about how some people's memories are selective, so they will only store memories that they find relevant within their internal locus.
 

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Idk, it seems people tend to have a hard limit on what they are able to understand and that influences their beliefs, actions etc. Now, sometimes a limited belief can lead to them making fairly good actions (depending on what you define as such). So it depends on what you value. People who make what you think are good choices even though they might not understand it entirely. People who make whatever choice they want but understand them perfectly, some of them is going against what you think they should do or what is good.

Being intelligent does not mean they will value what you do or do what you think is right. I guess it seems like you value personality more, you value those with a personality with values more like yourself (?) more, which is pretty normal, I assume most people do and think people who value what they themselves value will make lives better for most people.

I guess for most people personality would matter more, as psychopaths and narcissists can be highly intelligent and still be destructive/ annoying/ unproductive to most people.
 

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Being intelligent does not mean they will value what you do or do what you think is right. I guess it seems like you value personality more, you value those with a personality with values more like yourself (?) more, which is pretty normal, I assume most people do and think people who value what they themselves value will make lives better for most people.
Not necessarily like myself, It's just personality types are more pronounced than cognitive assessment. Most concepts can be understood with time with iq compensating for invested time. IQ only becomes relevant when applied to a studied topic, which is again dependent on personality type.

Average IQ can still be highly effective if A) you're interested in a topic and B) you're constantly trying to understand the world. I think in order of precedence: Personality > IQ.
 

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My sister can draw, I can't. I have the 20 point advantage. She is ESFP I'm INFJ. I am more technical, she likes cellphone games. She is more practical I'm more abstract.

I think each personality type has something it can do or specialize in. Its allot more versatile than simply IQ.
 

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I did an IQ test once and it said I won a free Nintendo Wii
 

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Let me say this though. I can understand the use of IQ the way it was originally used by the military, ie to identify people who are too dumb to do basic things. But when you get above a certain level, doing well in life and certain domains becomes all about other things like: having good guiding principles and heuristics, knowing how to learn things, knowing what it takes to master one’s discipline, having the ability to always improve and challenge oneself, having clear goals, having a drive, knowing what people to emulate, etc

So I guess my answer is: personality, given that you are above a certain minimum IQ
 

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Let me say this: why would you value the ability to think? Why would you not prioritize adhering to whatever principles you think is right?
 

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Let me say this though. I can understand the use of IQ the way it was originally used by the military, ie to identify people who are too dumb to do basic things. But when you get above a certain level, doing well in life and certain domains becomes all about other things like: having good guiding principles and heuristics, knowing how to learn things, knowing what it takes to master one’s discipline, having the ability to always improve and challenge oneself, having clear goals, having a drive, knowing what people to emulate, etc

So I guess my answer is: personality, given that you are above a certain minimum IQ
Agreed.
 

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I did an IQ test once and it said I won a free Nintendo Wii
Hahah, yeah... I remember that. I figured Wii was a Roman numeral. Still waiting for my Nintendo, though.
 

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IQ measures how many patterns you can manipulate.
IQ does not measure the way you can combine them.

quantity vs. quality

creativity is a personality aspect.
the way you combine patterns is unique to you.
more important than the quantity you can manipulate.
 

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IQ is really cool stuff, but if I told you your IQ is 130, what would that exactly mean to you???? Would you think you are some genius and try to solve a sudoku on hard or what?

IQ doesnt dictate your direction in life or anything.
IQ is important, but personality is something integral to your whole being. Its who you are as individual. Its what you want and dream and do every day all your life.
IQ is just a way of getting what you want. IQ doesnt mean you are aware of everything also IQ doesnt mean you cant be absolutly ignorant.

My IQ is very low.
 

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IQ is really cool stuff, but if I told you your IQ is 130, what would that exactly mean to you???? Would you think you are some genius and try to solve a sudoku on hard or what?
I would start vigorously masturbating to pictures of myself.
 

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IQ has never meant much to me, only in my earlier years where I was trying to grasp the concept of intellectual essence (You can make jokes by the wording but I simply mean the natural pursuit of knowledge and an unyielding inquisition to everything).
 

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IQ has never meant much to me, only in my earlier years where I was trying to grasp the concept of intellectual essence (You can make jokes by the wording but I simply mean the natural pursuit of knowledge and an unyielding inquisition to everything).
Young people always look at potential as that is the only way they can think of success, but once you do real world sutff and have real world success you will start thinking in terms of actual ability rather than potential, as potential becomes less of a thing for you. Everyone goes through that phase its only natural.

I studied intelligence a bit and the only sure thing I came to is that your psychology is important too. Well being, focus, motivations, "heart", perseverance, endurance, cooperative skills, talents applied in social arena.

Second thing is if you want the best, simply do your best. Thats it. It doesnt matter if you are retarded or Einstein you only get what you work for.

Third thing is that a lot of people even the high achivers are usually well below their true potential. The brain has inbuilt mechanisms to slow you down so you dont burnout, but if you learn to pace yourself and work hard and smart you can do a lot more than you could ever imagine.
 

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Young people always look at potential as that is the only way they can think of success, but once you do real world sutff and have real world success you will start thinking in terms of actual ability rather than potential, as potential becomes less of a thing for you. Everyone goes through that phase its only natural.
Potential is simply potential, it cannot be assessed because it specifically deals with all potentialities, theentire world in other words.
 

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I would like to know how the brain as a network is wired up to handle ever-increasing amounts of information. It's like when the teacher tells you to show your work but you already did it in your head. I want to be able to do it all in my head.
 

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Potential is simply potential, it cannot be assessed because it specifically deals with all potentialities, theentire world in other words.
True to some degree. Its not bad thinking about it, but one can develope unhealthy attitudes surrounding ones potential. Best way is to try out things and see. Being either too uncritical or too critical can be a huge burden since performance, accordingly can take a nose dive.

I was just reading about learned helplessness which is pretty interesting idea about behaviour.
 

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I would like to know how the brain as a network is wired up to handle ever-increasing amounts of information. It's like when the teacher tells you to show your work but you already did it in your head. I want to be able to do it all in my head.
The human brain is terrible at it. No matter how smart you are, you will be dumb unless you train yourself and master your skill to the max. Its been show time and time again. There are natural talents, but whatever the case preparation and hardwork just payoff so much more that anyone who understands this will always workhard.
Its not coincidental that even natural talents workhard and get burnedout.

There are also so many things in life that you cant learn without actually doing them. No manner how well the theory is understood. You can theorize driving a car and get every detail about it, but the moment you are behind the wheel it feels like a different dimension.
 

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I would like to know how the brain as a network is wired up to handle ever-increasing amounts of information. It's like when the teacher tells you to show your work but you already did it in your head. I want to be able to do it all in my head.
Well mental speed can't really be enhanced, though your innate abilities can be optimised if you were to consider nutrition, nootropics, stimulants and catecholamines dotted through out. However, you can work on visualising space inside your head, like the Method of Loci, try starting out with a whiteboard and putting random names of people on the whiteboard and then adding variables, like their height, a quote they said and so on.

Then try to revisit that space the next day and confirm how much visual information you have stored inside of your mind. This will help you visualise information a lot faster in your head, and you won't have to deal with output delay from the slowness of your hands against a keyboard or pencil. If you train it can become a valuable asset. That's my suggestion blowing in the wind.
 

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True to some degree. Its not bad thinking about it, but one can develope unhealthy attitudes surrounding ones potential. Best way is to try out things and see. Being either too uncritical or too critical can be a huge burden since performance, accordingly can take a nose dive.

I was just reading about learned helplessness which is pretty interesting idea about behaviour.
I think it's wishful and an abstraction of reality: You cannot use the logic in a fantasy situation to justify your abilities in real life. I cannot say "Well I could learn that given a set of conditions" because anyone could achieve a similar feat with another set of conditions, either longer, shorter or entirely different.
 
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