ZenRaiden
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Like how do you manipulate people.
I noticed lots of people are fond of this on this forum.
I noticed lots of people are fond of this on this forum.
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OK, it's on.
What manipulation tactics do you use on people
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If I'm wrong or I make a mistake I'm quick to take ownership of it, this puts people in a situation they don't know how to take advantage of, so the moment passes and is quickly forgotten.
Irl if I'm losing an argument I'll go passive and prompt the person I'm arguing with to keep talking, to keep elaborating upon their position, as the saying goes if you give someone enough rope they'll hang themselves which in literal terms means if you let them talk long enough they'll get overconfident and say something stupid.
Irl if I'm losing an argument I'll go passive and prompt the person I'm arguing with to keep talking, to keep elaborating upon their position, as the saying goes if you give someone enough rope they'll hang themselves which in literal terms means if you let them talk long enough they'll get overconfident and say something stupid.
ZenRaiden
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What happens when they say something stupid?
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manipulation is just another word for influence
what i know:
say you cant do something as per promised and obligation
(like pay back debt etc)
then pay them back later on surprise, this puts them on roller coaster ride and have a better impression of you.
bait them into traps
dress well give the impression you are more wealthy then you think
dress poorly or buy cheap stuff give people impression you are more poor
what i know:
say you cant do something as per promised and obligation
(like pay back debt etc)
then pay them back later on surprise, this puts them on roller coaster ride and have a better impression of you.
bait them into traps
dress well give the impression you are more wealthy then you think
dress poorly or buy cheap stuff give people impression you are more poor
Hadoblado
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I view all social behaviour as incidental manipulation. I play around with various approaches including cosmetic like Sushi. I find it interesting how people treat you when groomed vs. ungroomed etc. I was called out by someone yesterday. They pointed at my head "what the fuck is that?... fucking loser". Who knew people had such strong principled stances on hair-cuts? My hair admittedly looks pretty silly but jeeeeez relax.
I find this stuff interesting but it's mostly for perspective. I think the most effective manipulators don't put much thought into it, they are just influential enough to get what they want most of the time.
I find this stuff interesting but it's mostly for perspective. I think the most effective manipulators don't put much thought into it, they are just influential enough to get what they want most of the time.
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Sometimes playing dumb will reveal a lot about people, ie, the dumb blonde in disguise of the nerd thing. Or acting coy maybe.
I'm usually direct and calm and show people I'm not there to razz them, just present something so they understand it clearly, and thats all you need usually.
So, you sandwich a difficult conversation, by giving good news, bad news, then good news and it softens the blow.
Customer service, smoothing tempers, calming irate people, I guess those could be considered manipulation tactics, to calm the beast.
Present an issue, then present the solution so they don't have to think about it and it is helpful. (Being overly helpful, or affectionate in order to be seen as nice or kind).
One thing that backfires is offering anything for free to friends. (amazon gifts, eft transfers, etc). I guess people don't trust gifts even if it really is just a gift with no expectations in return, it flips some switch like an alarm and it isn't justifiable. That kind of social rule between genders is not 'loaded' sometimes its just simple gifting.
I'm too avoidant to want anything in return anyway. Or, a gift is a show of affection and thats all it is. I think. Or maybe I need to separate gifting with affection, as it might get weird. But I've found a group called Buy Nothing where you can gift strangers with things and it is normal to gift in that setting, and a lot of lonely people love it because you can get out of the house and see other houses and just say hello and its something to do in the pandemic that people like. It also saves a lot of things from going into the garbage.
You just show appreciation for little things and it warms the hearts a bit. Its not manipulation, but maybe a needed interaction that fills the empty place. But gifting is probably a little bit of a type of manipulation, I guess, have to think about that. Perhaps its a way to win someone over or bond in some way when you don't feel worthy of them. Hmm.
I'm usually direct and calm and show people I'm not there to razz them, just present something so they understand it clearly, and thats all you need usually.
So, you sandwich a difficult conversation, by giving good news, bad news, then good news and it softens the blow.
Customer service, smoothing tempers, calming irate people, I guess those could be considered manipulation tactics, to calm the beast.
Present an issue, then present the solution so they don't have to think about it and it is helpful. (Being overly helpful, or affectionate in order to be seen as nice or kind).
One thing that backfires is offering anything for free to friends. (amazon gifts, eft transfers, etc). I guess people don't trust gifts even if it really is just a gift with no expectations in return, it flips some switch like an alarm and it isn't justifiable. That kind of social rule between genders is not 'loaded' sometimes its just simple gifting.
I'm too avoidant to want anything in return anyway. Or, a gift is a show of affection and thats all it is. I think. Or maybe I need to separate gifting with affection, as it might get weird. But I've found a group called Buy Nothing where you can gift strangers with things and it is normal to gift in that setting, and a lot of lonely people love it because you can get out of the house and see other houses and just say hello and its something to do in the pandemic that people like. It also saves a lot of things from going into the garbage.
You just show appreciation for little things and it warms the hearts a bit. Its not manipulation, but maybe a needed interaction that fills the empty place. But gifting is probably a little bit of a type of manipulation, I guess, have to think about that. Perhaps its a way to win someone over or bond in some way when you don't feel worthy of them. Hmm.
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In order to manipulate you have to be dishonest about your intentions.
Sociopaths are very good at this, to get certain results you get person a to do x y z.
emotionally all you need to do is be passive-aggressive, this doesn't really make people do what you want except that you just want a reaction out of them.
when you are blunt to people you just look stupid because then you actually have no cognitive empathy to understand what the other person is saying, you are not actually paying attention. you just want dominance. you bully people into submission with power.
If you really want to make a point you have to say something that cannot be refuted but then they can say something that is totally misdirected to the subject.
Then there is the stone that cannot be moved. You have your opinion and I have mine. I believe this and either you cannot disprove it or my identity won't allow it to change. The sociopath will pretend to agree because that is the only way to gain false trust.
And last, there is just the dumb person, if you are "mean" to them they just don't like you. Babies.
Sociopaths are very good at this, to get certain results you get person a to do x y z.
emotionally all you need to do is be passive-aggressive, this doesn't really make people do what you want except that you just want a reaction out of them.
when you are blunt to people you just look stupid because then you actually have no cognitive empathy to understand what the other person is saying, you are not actually paying attention. you just want dominance. you bully people into submission with power.
If you really want to make a point you have to say something that cannot be refuted but then they can say something that is totally misdirected to the subject.
Then there is the stone that cannot be moved. You have your opinion and I have mine. I believe this and either you cannot disprove it or my identity won't allow it to change. The sociopath will pretend to agree because that is the only way to gain false trust.
And last, there is just the dumb person, if you are "mean" to them they just don't like you. Babies.
EndogenousRebel
Even a mean person is trying their best, right?
I make people think I love them and then I act as if I do. Doesn't work on some people sadly.
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anytime i feel like i made someone act according to my will i get a dirty feeling inside me. I try to avoid it
and anytime i sense someone is trying to influence me by flattery etc i get suspicious as fuck
and anytime i sense someone is trying to influence me by flattery etc i get suspicious as fuck
EndogenousRebel
Even a mean person is trying their best, right?
Yes, especially if they want you to believe they are harmless.
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I don't interact with apes and I leave conditioning and taming apes to ape trainers. What's so enjoyable about tricking an obnoxious overgrown toddler?
Disclaimer: I don't hate people. People are just too aggressive and dumb for my tastes. I know why they're like this and I know that they won't change in my lifetime. I was literally born in the dark ages
Seriously, ignoring the improved tools, the difference between now and 1500's is minuscule in perspective. All I can do is express my complete estrangement from the rest of my species by making art.
I truly wish me and a few willing friends were abducted by a highly advanced alien civilization that would put me in their zoo with 2 sq km of forested land per person plus a way to assemble technological artifacts from my home. I'd gladly live my life away from the rest of this mess.
Disclaimer: I don't hate people. People are just too aggressive and dumb for my tastes. I know why they're like this and I know that they won't change in my lifetime. I was literally born in the dark ages
Seriously, ignoring the improved tools, the difference between now and 1500's is minuscule in perspective. All I can do is express my complete estrangement from the rest of my species by making art.I truly wish me and a few willing friends were abducted by a highly advanced alien civilization that would put me in their zoo with 2 sq km of forested land per person plus a way to assemble technological artifacts from my home. I'd gladly live my life away from the rest of this mess.