What is your opinion

[ZenRaiden]

I have some CPTSD which is form of trauma. Some days it feels like my head just made it up.
Psychologist say you should not make light of trauma or make humor of pain, but take it seriously.
I kind of understand that being honest and serious about is probably healthier.
But they also say humor cures.
Most of what I find funny about my trauma comes from understanding psychology.
Ergo I know there is a entity called the unconscious mind.
When there is an input from the external world you react to it.
Your unconscious mind has bigger control sometimes.
I find some of my reactions sad and infuriating, but at the same time I find the humorous too.
For instance my ability to focus on what I am learning yet, being paranoid about it.
Which probably won't make sense to normal people. I am literally afraid of success. Don't ask why. I just cannot understand it either. But I still find it sort of silly, and cannot stop thinking its hilarious.
Though it should be sad.
I also have that mute thing going where I can talk to people normal, but approaching females and flirting or addressing them with intent to relationship or copulation or just opening up or whatever I just cannot say a word.
Its like I can talk your head off one moment, the second I try I am gone.
Its sad, but if you think its funny its OK, because I kind of LOL in back of my head anyway. Even when it pisses me off.
Its just hard to be series about it.

And questions for you do you ever try to do something, and when you do your brain just decides NOPE not gonna happen and blocks you, and then you kind of laugh about it?

 

[dr froyd]

i actually think men evolved to use humor to deal with tough shit. That's probably why women appreciate men with good humor. Women have a different type of coping mechanisms, usually entailing social assets like friends and family and talking about things.

 

[ZenRaiden]

i actually think men evolved to use humor to deal with tough shit. That's probably why women appreciate men with good humor. Women have a different type of coping mechanisms, usually entailing social assets like friends and family and talking about things.

You know what, that did not occur to me really.

 

[ZenRaiden]

What occurred to me is that I tend to laugh at the absurdity.
Like my brain can handle some shit, but when it comes to some basic stuff its like not functioning. That stuff is just funny.

 

[Hourglass]

Women have a different type of coping mechanisms, usually entailing social assets like friends and family and talking about things.

Perhaps atypically (as a woman), I do not rely on these coping mechanisms (social assets) and I will also engage humor or even more commonly for me, self-analysis, introspection, or distraction by keeping busy to cope because talking to family/friends or even a “professional” sometimes does not help me “cope”.

I have an incident where I was exploited in early childhood and I taught myself to forget that for years. When the memory comes back, infrequently but randomly, it is painful in the mind. I flinch and it feels like physical pain. I have not sought help from a (competent) professional but I may.

Currently, during the day, I distract myself with things that pull me far away from the memory. I do things, a lot of things, to keep myself busy and cope.

This may be why I am selective about the type of success I achieve: I learned from a very young age how not everyone is selfless or giving or caring and so certain environments where people are more likely to be corrupt and tyrannical in the way people are controlled, I do my best to navigate away from.

@ZenRaiden The way I currently tolerate my own memory from childhood trauma is not parallel to what I would say to a friend if they told me they have childhood trauma that was repressed. Perhaps talking it out with a professional in private could be effective “healing”, and by law they are supposed to keep your words confidential.

I feel (personally) as if sometimes the internet is too “public” for delving into this and so using it can increase feelings of paranoia in trying to find more effective coping mechanisms than humor.

 

[dr froyd]

wouldn't a professional just tell you to eat pills of some sort?

i have zero experience with them but my impression of US psychiatry is that it's practically a bunch of drug dealers

 

[EndogenousRebel]

Behavior, something plainly observable is something we know is memetic. That is it's built off of past behaviors that have triggered a certain physiological response.

On the other hand people will say the phrase "thought pattern" and to me that means very little. You may feel familiar experiences and have recurring thoughts, but we have no idea the state of the brains correlation with the mind. What's going on for you subjectively in your mind gives little inclination as to what your brain activity is.

There are some exceptions like obviously if you feel relaxed, or stressed, your brain is probably in x state, but aside from these latent emotional states, and given the complexity of conscious experience, it's mostly up in the air. Your experience isn't what creates your mental state. Your brain state is what creates your experience.

Ixnay the activity in your brain that guides you to these states may not even be conscious. That is to say that your moment to moment experience may have nothing to do with why you feel a certain way.

We can see the brain when it makes a decision vs when someone becomes consciously aware of that dicision does have a gap of time.

I don't know, more and more I think that the best way to combat hopelessness is to learn things. Maybe it's because of nueroplasticity? No clue, but when I say learn, it has to be something with a quick feedback loop. I don't mean something nebulous like reading some information or writing. You need to be able to measure it easily.

Like a new instrument or language where you can play back and hear if you sound good or not. Or a counting cards, drawing, crafting miniature houses. Something where you can easily see improvement and maybe take a picture, record a video and show someone else even to add a healthy social element.

I think it bends your brain in a way that might change how you see things. Something about focusing on something for hours is great for the brain. And I think that it does have to be a skill you have to improve on.

wouldn't a professional just tell you to eat pills of some sort?

i have zero experience with them but my impression of US psychiatry is that it's practically a bunch of drug dealers

You wouldn't say the same thing to someone who is clearly unwell, like a psychotic person suffering from schizophrenia. The difference between someone who does and doesn't take their medication is phenomenal in that situation. When someone is a depressive or a axious, it's a different story for some reason.

Any doctor that sees drugs as a solution I think is out of their mind. It's just a buffer that helps people return to a more "normal" state. Thing is most people who have issues have had these issues for years, and so they need to take more steps outside of medication.

People are free to seek whatever treatment they can afford. Psychiatrist are a weird position imo. The distinguishing feature of being a psychiatrist among all other psych practitioners is that they can pass out pills. Of which of course, they get a cut of (indirectly) the medicine they give out. Seems like a easily abusable prospect for mfrs.

 

[Black Rose]

I don't know, more and more I think that the best way to combat hopelessness is to learn things. Maybe it's because of nueroplasticity? No clue, but when I say learn, it has to be something with a quick feedback loop. I don't mean something nebulous like reading some information or writing. You need to be able to measure it easily.

Like a new instrument or language where you can play back and hear if you sound good or not. Or a counting cards, drawing, crafting miniature houses. Something where you can easily see improvement and maybe take a picture, record a video and show someone else even to add a healthy social element.

I think it bends your brain in a way that might change how you see things. Something about focusing on something for hours is great for the brain. And I think that it does have to be a skill you have to improve on.

That sounds like extraverted thinking.

Introverted thinking requires no external stimuli. (Thought I am Te)

I always had problems where I never had things to think about because "learning" requires me to go off on tangents that books/materials never talk about. I always need human feedback if the material is not creative enough to expand my perspective. That is where the difference between Ni and Ne is. Ni can go on and on looking at what happens next so the material becomes a practice on how well you can predict the outcomes and never on the divergence of the situations presented. I always consider what it is that the person is not presenting, all the possibilities they are leaving out. Example: I am reading a book called "In AI We Trust". It is interesting because I happen to disagree alot with the book which makes it fun. Because of all the information I know on a.i. and because the book is about politics it has a tremendous effect on my brain's ability to generate new information. I am not just memorizing things but able to come up with new things.

New things are my specialty. And I get really excited about them. In the book, the author says that algorithmic predictions can become self-fulfilling and that this can lead to a determinist trajectory. But in my mind because of how I process things I get the view that she does not understand how a diversity of algorithms can be combined to create multiple futures. She has the mindset that computers cannot be creative. And the book was published in 2021 so it may be she really hasn't a clue that a.i. discussions would explode in 2023 on social media. I am only on page 35 but I think that most of the book will be about a.i. limitations that have already been overcome.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

That sounds like extraverted thinking.

The point is that you don't have a basis to compare yourself to someone else who is studying what you are studying. You obviously can get better at x knowledge, but besides taking tests for that knowledge (I think Quizlet may let you find those) I don't think you'll really be focused on that.

You don't get a the same reward about learning what a C chord is on the piano theoretically, the same way you do from being able to play it. The imperative thing here is INSTANT feedback.

I suppose you CAN learn to code. Though something like that takes months to learn to actually be good enough to make interesting apps. You're not going to have fun if you keep on coding calculators.

With like an hour a day on the piano, you can play some chords on the piano, and maybe part of a song you like.

Hobbies I mentioned are very associated with introversion. Maybe if I was talking about a Martial Art like boxing, or Archery/Shooting. Those work too. You're brain doesn't get the same effect of neuroplasticity unless you are attempting, failing and then reattempting repetitively. I don't know how you do that with anything besides recall with learning a concept.

 

[Black Rose]

And questions for you do you ever try to do something, and when you do your brain just decides NOPE not gonna happen and blocks you, and then you kind of laugh about it?

energy, I necessarily must have the energy to do anything but energy comes in different focal points. I think that when you cannot do something you must look at where it comes from inside you. Find the barrier between what you can and cannot do and see the area that controls it. Give that point a good nudge and shake it awake.

If trauma is making you depressed then look into that area for an energy surge. Jolt it.

 

[Black Rose]

I tried to create a system where all my ideas work together. But as a system, everything depends on everything else so one thing can make the whole thing not work. I have a limited ability to focus so I get stuck for months at a time. Could be my limited working memory. ADHD? All I know is that nothing works so I must try something else. I cannot plan huge systems. I must work on components one at a time. Then I can test them together. Yes, it is a block, I get stuck. So I don't do anything unless I am absolutely sure I can get it done. (bipolar, OCD, autism)

 

[dr froyd]

wouldn't a professional just tell you to eat pills of some sort?

i have zero experience with them but my impression of US psychiatry is that it's practically a bunch of drug dealers

You wouldn't say the same thing to someone who is clearly unwell, like a psychotic person suffering from schizophrenia. The difference between someone who does and doesn't take their medication is phenomenal in that situation. When someone is a depressive or a axious, it's a different story for some reason.

Any doctor that sees drugs as a solution I think is out of their mind. It's just a buffer that helps people return to a more "normal" state. Thing is most people who have issues have had these issues for years, and so they need to take more steps outside of medication.

well no shit, seriously mentally ill people need medication

about 1 in 5 adults in US are using psychiatric medication, you guys are popping that stuff like candy over there

 

[birdsnestfern]

Social anxiety. Yes. I have it, and get inhibited and shy when I am with people I don't feel similar to. I think its a natural and normal thing, its how you protect yourself. Just trust that when you are finally around the right people, you will no longer feel that inhibition. Its actually a wonderful system to protect you, so let it inhibit you, it tells you when to share things and who with.

This is an amazing self protection mechanism, and its special, just love it all the more about yourself. Quirks are kind of awesome, go with it. Write it all down in a journal so you have it for the periods you feel blocked to pour over too.

Really, the brain is trained to forget certain things or perhaps it has to - to conserve energy, and help you move on.

 

[ZenRaiden]

well no shit, seriously mentally ill people need medication

Mainly there is no alternative to meds. Hence why meds is all people get.
But as said, when you have a hammer all is nail.
The trouble with meds, is the only give you stability. They don't actually solve the root problem. But being on meds for life is goal of pharma. They don't want people being healthy.

 

[ZenRaiden]

wouldn't a professional just tell you to eat pills of some sort?

If you are addressing me I have been taking meds for 10 years.
I have had sever anxiety despite that. But I did not even know that I have it, or that is possible to change that. My pills were anti anxiety. Did not cure my anxiety.
My pills were anti psychotic and anti depression and did not have impact on my mood or depression or intrusive thoughts or paranoid thoughts.
Essentially taking pills meant I had less energy, I felt like shit and lived in mental fog which is hard to describe state to someone who has not had it.
I was essentially dysfunctional in everyway, but one and that is doing a good job at work, on my good days. I was a rocket, but no energy to do much else.
I was a brain dead workaholic with zero social life.
Now I am on some meds that don't give me major side effects, and I have energy to make my life again, sort of reinvent myself.
Thats all I have energy for now.
Pills made my life doable. But I was unhappy and exhausted or too ampt up.
Unfortunately there are no pills that can change the way my brain works.