What is wrong with me?

[computerhxr]

Rather than blindly making New Year resolutions; I want to find out what I can do to improve my personality.

I have tried asking my friends and family in the past. I know that I have many personality problems that I would like to improve, but I have never been able to get any answers. The MBTI and Jung are helpful but I can only do so much introspectively.

I have some ideas of what I want to improve. Rather than posting what I think is repulsive about my personality, I want to hear your honest opinions. I will post them if no one brings them up.

Don't worry, you can't hurt my feelings.

 

[QuickTwist]

IDK. I'd just say try to be more down to earth. Try not to be too fancy and try to be a regular guy. People like regular guys...

 

[Analyzer]

I originally thought you were a INTJ, but I think you could be a ENTP. Both are N Doms but your posts and style give off heavy Ne and inferior Si vibe. If so try to develop Ti and integrate Fe more.

 

[Brontosaurie]

i dunno

maybe you give some cold robotic kind of vibe. or lack of vibe.

and i mean in the real way not the stupid-people-can't-handle-weirdos way. or maybe the however-stupid-i-am way.

can we see pictures?

 

[computerhxr]

IDK. I'd just say try to be more down to earth. Try not to be too fancy and try to be a regular guy. People like regular guys...

Does this make others feel bad that I'm irregular? I can be down to earth but I joined the INTP forum to avoid the monotony of pretending to be regular.

I'm not trying to be fancy. I have trouble reading and writing so I'm developing reading and writing skills by participating in a public forum.

Do I come off as pretentious? Or condescending?

I originally thought you were a INTJ, but I think you could be a ENTP. Both are N Doms but your posts and style give off heavy Ne and inferior Si vibe. If so try to develop Ti and integrate Fe more.

Thank you Analyzer!

I agree with your suggestions to work on my weaknesses.

I don't believe that I am an ENTP. I do a lot of work on my personality so my outward appearance is not true to my natural inclinations.

My personality was a huge disadvantage as a child. People made fun of me for being poor and told me that I was stupid. I had no natural facial affect because it was too much energy to force a facial expression. People would constantly ask if I was mad or upset about something when nothing ever bothered me. I would go for months without seeing or talking to anyone. I spent a majority of my childhood inside of my head and avoided interactions with other people as much as possible. Kids would approach me and say a lot of random gibberish and they would receive a blank stare in response.

Also, instead of sleeping I would use that time to run through scenarios in my head. So if I wanted to learn how to do something, I would work through the problem while I slept. I'm basically awake when I sleep so I try to be as productive as possible.

So that is why I feel that I am more likely an INTP than ENTP. However, in a dream state I am absolutely an ENTP or maybe ENTJ.

The Ni function to me are the people in my head that are working hard to figure out problems while I'm awake. When I sleep, I hang out with them and assign them tasks so that I can move onto higher level thought processes. When I'm awake, it's more unconscious and I feel like I just have all of the answers intuitively. So Ni and Ne are the same depending on the frame of reference.

Now that I think about it; I'm not sure when the last time that I visited anyone from my internal universe. I prefer to just intuitively know things because it's easier and I don't have to go through all of the steps. I'm hoping that I will have time to sleep in the next few months so that I can catch up with my peeps.

 

[computerhxr]

i dunno

maybe you give some cold robotic kind of vibe. or lack of vibe.

and i mean in the real way not the stupid-people-can't-handle-weirdos way. or maybe the however-stupid-i-am way.

can we see pictures?

I'm wanting to know how my personality affects people in this forum. I have a hard time judging because I can't see how people react to how I act in the forum.

Sorry that I wasn't clear about that in my OP. I wanted to leave it open-ended so that I wasn't leading the conversation. I value honesty and if I lead too much then I can't tell if people are just agreeable or if they really feel that way.

Some of my observations...

Spoiler

I noticed that some threads die after I post. Sometime I don't get any replies and I want to know if I'm offending people, or if I sound crazy, or if it's something else.

When I write short posts, they get more response. When I write long ones, they get skipped over.

When I format the post to make it easy to read and clear what my position is, I don't get any response. I'm not sure if it's helpful or counter productive.

Sometimes people point out irrelevant details and fail to see the big picture. I feel like this is possibly an attack because I have done something to upset them.

I assume that my personality is abrasive, offensive, confusing, or too irrational to be taken seriously. I think maybe I'm an asshole but no one calls me out on it.

I think maybe I come off as condescending or egocentric. Or like I assume that I know everything. Maybe I give people the impression that I don't listen or that I think they are dumb. Do I give the impression that I don't value others opinions or like I'm trying to outshine them in some way?

I want to know so that I can avoid making the same mistakes and connect with people on a deeper level. I get the feeling that I come off like I'm trying to one up everyone when it is not my intent.

People on the internet are way more honest than face-to-face. I figured since I have already established a presence in this forum; that it would be a good opportunity for someone to unleash on me so that I can finally figure out what I'm doing wrong. I'm basically helpless because no one in my life will be honest with me. Whatever it is, I want to correct it.

 

[Saoshyant]

Nothing is wrong with you. You are psyching yourself out, doubting yourself. You are one of the better new members on this forum. You give good advice and remind me of myself in a lot of ways. I think you are expecting some deep connection with people here and are disappointed.

 

[Black Rose]

you are one of the more intelligent ones ive seen
perhaps its because you surpass others that you don't feel normal
normal is not always healthy, normal people don't have higher levels of empathy
you are able to make accurate observations and grasp large concepts
you give so much insightful information its hard to add to it
I would PM you but i don't know what to say, i can ask questions but that's about it
if you want to improve interactions with people then just continue with what you are doing
its not necessary for them to understand you but you to understand them so to get at there level

introspection is my problem also, i never meet people that understand me at my level
I think i am also INTJ but i am limited in knowing what jung says about them
he only described the functions not each type or how function interrelate
Its difficult for me to understand because they all flow into each other at the same time
The dynamics of a persons type is the overlapping of personal history and channel it follows
This is something i cannot know fully just by speculation, people interactions confuse me even more

I hope get more in touch with my internal world and you seem to have access to yours so all i can say is keep it up

 

[The Grey Man]

computerhxr, I know you believe that you may have offended people on this forum, and that you and I have had two somewhat belligerent exchanges (both in October, shortly after your joining). I can't really speak to the community's tendency to be unresponsive to your posts, as I tend to post infrequently anyway, but I will try to preclude any suspicion that any of my posts have been motivated by contempt for you, in fact I find your particular style of posting adds life to the forum.

First exchange:

http://www.intpforum.com/showpost.php?p=457753&postcount=8

Ok, maybe belligerent isn't the best word for it, but we were clearly on different wavelengths, both trying to convey, in different ways, the same point: that right, wrong, and value are products of the human race. Any misunderstanding came from the fact that you were focusing on the fact that there's no objective right or wrong that governs existence, while I was saying that laws dealing with justice are 'right and wrong' as produced by and which govern the collective. We were focusing on two aspects of the same argument, ergo no resultant animosity (I hope ).

Second exchange:

http://www.intpforum.com/showpost.php?p=457900&postcount=140

For some reason it bothered me that you applied the concept of probability to the existence of fairies. It's probably because you (probably jokingly) suggested that calculus could find a way around the fact that we currently have no clue what the ratio might be between the number of possible realities in which fairies exist, and the number of those in which they don't (the same is true of God, therefore my agnosticism has mathematical support, even if I have the luxury not to consider it a major part of my identity ), and may never. You probably knew all this, but for whatever reason, I couldn't let it slide, even though I ignore posts I don't agree with all the time. Something about fairies...

In conclusion, there's nothing wrong with you. I like you, even.

 

[StevenM]

Some of my observations...

Spoiler

I noticed that some threads die after I post. Sometime I don't get any replies and I want to know if I'm offending people, or if I sound crazy, or if it's something else.

When I write short posts, they get more response. When I write long ones, they get skipped over.

When I format the post to make it easy to read and clear what my position is, I don't get any response. I'm not sure if it's helpful or counter productive.

Sometimes people point out irrelevant details and fail to see the big picture. I feel like this is possibly an attack because I have done something to upset them.

I assume that my personality is abrasive, offensive, confusing, or too irrational to be taken seriously. I think maybe I'm an asshole but no one calls me out on it.

I think maybe I come off as condescending or egocentric. Or like I assume that I know everything. Maybe I give people the impression that I don't listen or that I think they are dumb. Do I give the impression that I don't value others opinions or like I'm trying to outshine them in some way?

About not getting responses....

Could there be another reason for this? Perhaps, it's not as personal of a reason as you think it may be.

I believe the things you observe on the forum happen in some way or another with the other members as well.

It wouldn't matter what anyone would say, there will always be at least one person to object. It is impossible to win them all.

Plus, you are surfing in a forum of a certain personality temperament that loves pointing out errors and discrepancies. I'm absolutely sure your just one among many here who has had their ideas and thoughts crushed by another member's critical opinion. We love finding what is wrong, or incorrect, and most are somewhat opinionated.

The good thing is, it's not as much about someone's character. It leans just a bit more on judgement of ideas. Usually, when you feel personal judgement, it's not actually as bad in action, as you make it out to be in your head.

Metaphorically:

When you trip and fall, no one is there laughing. At least, no one that really matters. The people that matter just turn to look and say "Oh.... he fell". It should be easy to just stand back up, brush yourself off, and laugh it off. It will all be forgotten in about 5 or 10 minutes from then.

 

[QuickTwist]

Does this make others feel bad that I'm irregular? I can be down to earth but I joined the INTP forum to avoid the monotony of pretending to be regular.

I'm not trying to be fancy. I have trouble reading and writing so I'm developing reading and writing skills by participating in a public forum.

Do I come off as pretentious? Or condescending?

I have no problem with irregular as well as most if not all of the rest of the forum. Why you joined the INTP forum makes a lot of sense. I mostly make the point about being a regular guy not specifically to you but to anyone who thinks (and probably are) a genius which I am not to try to not sound like an elitist. A genius elitist is my least favorite type of people.

I don't think you come off as particulary pretentious or condescending for what that is worth.

 

[Ex-User (8886)]

Few minutes ago I made mine topic, and now I think:
Why we are talking about problems with people similar to us? We are same weakneses, and we can't help each other. I must find some ESFPs forum, they differs from us in thinking almost absolutely. It is my advice to the OP.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Few minutes ago I made mine topic, and now I think:
Why we are talking about problems with people similar to us? We are same weakneses, and we can't help each other. I must find some ESFPs forum, they differs from us in thinking almost absolutely. It is my advice to the OP.

They'd only complain about why you're not like them.

 

[BrainVessel]

IDK. I'd just say try to be more down to earth. Try not to be too fancy and try to be a regular guy. People like regular guys...

Ideally when one asks for advice to improve their personality one wouldn't revert them to seek the approval of others.



Introspect. Learn. Be genuinely compassionate. Always find your motivation intrinsically.

And keep the douchebaggery to a maximum of 2/10.

 

[QuickTwist]

Ideally, people shouldn't pretend to be something they're not? Is that what you're saying? In that case I suppose just be yourself is good enough advice.

 

[redbaron]

I noticed that some threads die after I post. Sometime I don't get any replies and I want to know if I'm offending people, or if I sound crazy, or if it's something else.

When it's time for a thread to die, die a thread will. No one can stop it and it's no one's fault (unless you're Chad - you're not Chad are you?)

When I write short posts, they get more response. When I write long ones, they get skipped over.

Who wants to read someone's personalized wall of text? (masochists notwithstanding)

When I format the post to make it easy to read and clear what my position is, I don't get any response. I'm not sure if it's helpful or counter productive.

Using coloured text makes things neither clearer nor easier to read.

Also scientifically proven to increase chance of reader aneurysm by 46%

Sometimes people point out irrelevant details and fail to see the big picture. I feel like this is possibly an attack because I have done something to upset them.

Sometimes people base the big picture on faulty interpretations of the details. Sometimes the big picture isn't made clear enough.

Often it's a two-way thing where both people are missing some part of the other person's point. Often it's that both people use a different set of logic.

Why would you interpret it as an attack?

I assume that my personality is abrasive, offensive, confusing, or too irrational to be taken seriously. I think maybe I'm an asshole but no one calls me out on it.

Just self-absorbed like the other 99.9% of western society.

I think maybe I come off as condescending or egocentric. Or like I assume that I know everything. Maybe I give people the impression that I don't listen or that I think they are dumb. Do I give the impression that I don't value others opinions or like I'm trying to outshine them in some way?

As above

 

[BrainVessel]

Ideally, people shouldn't pretend to be something they're not? Is that what you're saying? In that case I suppose just be yourself is good enough advice.

Not what I said...
A lot of people take "be yourself" broadly and use it as an excuse to do whatever they want instead of freeing oneself from their ego, this generates masses of self-serving douchebags so instead of throwing out a "just be yourself" I attempted to define what I believe the majority of people can achieve that would be most beneficial to themselves and those around them. Which personally, I would define as someone's "better self."

 

[QuickTwist]

Your problem is you try too hard.

The hardest part of holding on is letting it go.

 

[BrainVessel]

Well. Um.


I'll have you know that I hardly try at all because all the things I do I find a reason for myself to appreciate the productive outcome. When one finds satisfaction in all they do it is hardly trying, more like simply anticipating.


Actually no part of holding on is letting go because if you let go you would indeed no longer be holding on... But if you would like to explain what you meant by that further I would be interested.

Are you trolling, Fred Flinstone? Shame on you :O

 

[QuickTwist]

Are you trolling?

If you have to ask it usually means you don't understand. Its a simple concept -primitive even. Its one of those things that either you get or don't. I could explain it, but I think its better if you try and figure it out yourself at this point.

 

[computerhxr]

Thanks everyone for the support. It sounds like I was fishing for compliments but that was not my intent. At the same time, I'm happy to hear all of the positive comments.

Nothing is wrong with you. You are psyching yourself out, doubting yourself. You are one of the better new members on this forum. You give good advice and remind me of myself in a lot of ways. I think you are expecting some deep connection with people here and are disappointed.

I chose the title "What is wrong with me?" to attract those who have problems with me. Negative comments are more useful because it gives me something to improve on.

As an INTP, in an INTP forum; I had some expectation of personality overlap. Also, I had a lot of ideas that I thought INTPs would connect with but I was totally wrong.

you are one of the more intelligent ones ive seen
perhaps its because you surpass others that you don't feel normal
normal is not always healthy, normal people don't have higher levels of empathy
you are able to make accurate observations and grasp large concepts
you give so much insightful information its hard to add to it
I would PM you but i don't know what to say, i can ask questions but that's about it
if you want to improve interactions with people then just continue with what you are doing
its not necessary for them to understand you but you to understand them so to get at there level

You are welcome to PM me. You can message me about anything that you want, and I would do my best to understand.

Honestly, I think you have it backwards. People pretend to be normal to fit in. The world is oppressive and will suppress anyone with a radical point of view. They would rather everything make sense and fit their model than understand another model that doesn't make sense to them. There is no growth to that type of thinking, and I have little time for people who don't listen or oppress free and radical ideas.

I mostly make the point about being a regular guy not specifically to you but to anyone who thinks (and probably are) a genius which I am not to try to not sound like an elitist. A genius elitist is my least favorite type of people.

In person, I am a pretty regular guy. The only difference is that I can flick a switch and I will be totally different.

I think genius is highly misunderstood. People are so afraid of talking about it, that it's somewhat mystical to most people. Anyone is capable of genius, regardless of IQ. People with a high IQ assume that people are stupid because they can't communicate their ideas, which leads to elitist attitudes.

Few minutes ago I made mine topic, and now I think:
Why we are talking about problems with people similar to us? We are same weakneses, and we can't help each other. I must find some ESFPs forum, they differs from us in thinking almost absolutely. It is my advice to the OP.

I think there are fewer INTPs than other personality types combined in this forum.

We absolutely can help each other. Personally, I have overcame many of the problems that are common to INTPs. We all go through these phases, and some get stuck because they refuse to try to improve themselves. They just don't see the value of other types of intelligence and overvalue rational intelligence.

They'd only complain about why you're not like them.

Yep!

Ideally when one asks for advice to improve their personality one wouldn't revert them to seek the approval of others.

Introspect. Learn. Be genuinely compassionate. Always find your motivation intrinsically.

And keep the douchebaggery to a maximum of 2/10.

Hahah, thanks! I can only do so much introspectively. I try to balance introspection and tangible reality.

Ideally, people shouldn't pretend to be something they're not? Is that what you're saying? In that case I suppose just be yourself is good enough advice.

Being your best self, without judgement for others, and honest open communication is not the same as pretending to be someone else. I wear different avatars as a communication tool, but I am not untrue to myself.

There is ALWAYS something that could be improved. I try to pick one thing at a time and make a conscious effort towards making incremental improvements in my life.

 

[nanook]

You are warm and empathic with a heightened awareness of social responsibility and a strong sense of conscience. You like to carefully weigh up the pros and cons of a situation before you act and are generally averse to taking risks. You are very much a ‘people person’ and dislike conflict. ‘Do unto others…’ are your watchwords. this is a random test-result that i have received somewhere and i am accidental posting in this thread, instead of posting what i had prepared for you in my notes (will i find it again?), it looks similar, because of a similarity of the sentiment. i was thinking you might also be enneagram 9 unless you are more like 7, both social types who can have their own brand of social anxiety.

the seven is so concerned with social status, they must feel that they are in control of it and would rather have it, if this control was effortless, they might sometimes rather avoid social involvement, when they feel like social status might glide out of their control, when they are being tested in objective manner, other wise and they will gladly control social status through simple means like image, such as through fashion or superficial attitude and they are good at flashing their image and do this alot, but avoid competition when it involves more substantial effort and try easy going friendship instead. they love involvement with easy going scenes, like the hippy scene, because there social status can be attained without substantial contributions. they love it the most, when they can shine as unique models in some way. it's basically Ti-Fe, only one step higher in the stack.

 

[nanook]

oh, this is the right post.

I don't think we have learned a lot about your personality, yet. You are socially open or know how to communicate this fact, everyone gets to feel that you are not just responding to letters or perspectives on a screen, but to a person.

You have your way of seeing things and an outspoken confidence about the value of your views, which is not a personality fault, but may create stress more often than a similar proud would for other people, because your views are less ordinary and because they are not pluralistic in and off themselves.

You are careful to portrait your self in a positive light, as is practical in the land of socializing. I'm not saying you are boasting, but among people who are self effacing you may stand out.

I think it is violent and offensive to tell people how they should change. Nobody can change. You can only help them by being descriptive of what they are like. Insights may transform a person in unforeseeable ways. (this comment isn't directed at you, but at everyone)

I was thinking about opening a thread just like this one, for myself.
I already spelled it out in my notes a couple of days before.

It would have been polite if you had procrastinated your thread a couple of months or years. I'm joking.

I think if the peeps on here ignore you, it's a sign of acceptance. I really appreciate being ignored by all the people who surely disagree with most of what i say. I think Ti can be inspired by thoughts while disagreeing with them.

 

[computerhxr]

It would have been polite if you had procrastinated your thread a couple of months or years. I'm joking.

I want to reply to all of the posts, but I just don't have the time. So I'm going through a few at a time.

I think if the peeps on here ignore you, it's a sign of acceptance.

I just had no way of knowing without asking the question at least once.

When I see an idea that I agree with, I try to support or expand the idea. I leave so many details out so that others can come to their own conclusions.

Blind acceptance is not a good system of thought. This is my problem with math, science, and religions. People accept it as true when there is no proof that anything is true. Science is very wishy-washy when you get down to the nitty-gritty. Understanding an abstract model is not the same as understanding the concept itself.

This is not to say that they are invalid. I remember when I had a friend tell me that the theory of relativity was proven to be incorrect. I told him, it's and abstraction and it's not incorrect. It's still a valid model that has proven useful in context, but we need to improve models over time as we learn more about the universe.

 

[Architect]

This is not to say that they are invalid. I remember when I had a friend tell me that the theory of relativity was proven to be incorrect. I told him, it's and abstraction and it's not incorrect. It's still a valid model that has proven useful in context, but we need to improve models over time as we learn more about the universe.

Relativity is proven to be correct every time you use your cell phone.

 

[computerhxr]

For some reason it bothered me that you applied the concept of probability to the existence of fairies. It's probably because you (probably jokingly) suggested that calculus could find a way around the fact that we currently have no clue what the ratio might be between the number of possible realities in which fairies exist, and the number of those in which they don't (the same is true of God, therefore my agnosticism has mathematical support, even if I have the luxury not to consider it a major part of my identity ), and may never. You probably knew all this, but for whatever reason, I couldn't let it slide, even though I ignore posts I don't agree with all the time. Something about fairies...

In conclusion, there's nothing wrong with you. I like you, even.

Yes, this is correct.

Spoiler

Damn! You win, I can't prove otherwise so they probably do exist. Mind === Blown!

.......................

Hey, I'm talking to you from some other dimension. You literally blew my mind and I died. Yep, so I'm chillin' with some pixies. Yes, pixies! Fairies are total BS!

Wait, what's that... A button that says... "REBOOT" and another that says "END".

I think I will flip a coin. *flips*

The almighty coin has determined my fate. I must... *pixie presses REBOOT with a demonic look on his face*

...........................

Okay I'm back guys. I literally died and came back to life! And let me tell you something... Pixies are dicks!

About not getting responses....

Could there be another reason for this? Perhaps, it's not as personal of a reason as you think it may be.

I can think of a hundred reasons for not getting any responses. It's an observation of something atypical. I have a better idea now that I've heard some of the responses.

Metaphorically:

When you trip and fall, no one is there laughing. At least, no one that really matters. The people that matter just turn to look and say "Oh.... he fell". It should be easy to just stand back up, brush yourself off, and laugh it off. It will all be forgotten in about 5 or 10 minutes from then.

Yes, that is how I handle life. However, some people are sensitive and I don't want to oppress ideas.

When it's time for a thread to die, die a thread will. No one can stop it and it's no one's fault (unless you're Chad - you're not Chad are you?)

Yes... I am Chad.

Spoiler

I'm kidding about being Chad.

Who wants to read someone's personalized wall of text? (masochists notwithstanding)

Using coloured text makes things neither clearer nor easier to read.

I only highlight important words and phrases so people can scan to see if it's something that they are interested in without reading the whole post. I wouldn't highlight words randomly like that.

Why would you interpret it as an attack?

Just self-absorbed like the other 99.9% of western society.

As above

There were a few responses that were absolutely attacks. I just wanted to find out what the hot button was that triggered the attacks. I don't think they all are specifically geared towards trying to make me look like an idiot, but some definately are.

Whew! I think I got to everyone!

 

[BrainVessel]

Are you trolling?

If you have to ask it usually means you don't understand. Its a simple concept -primitive even. Its one of those things that either you get or don't. I could explain it, but I think its better if you try and figure it out yourself at this point.

I understand the concept, logically inconsistent as it may be. I wanted you to explain why it was RELEVANT.

 

[QuickTwist]

Lets stop.

 

[BrainVessel]

Lets stop.

Why? You're the only one taking offense. This is INTPf, we don't criticize out of contempt, we criticize because we're constantly seeking truth.
I ask because I want you to explain where you're coming from.

 

[StevenM]

Well...
It looks like you created a thread with over 29 posts.

 

[QuickTwist]

Why? You're the only one taking offense. This is INTPf, we don't criticize out of contempt, we criticize because we're constantly seeking truth.
I ask because I want you to explain where you're coming from.

"Why?" because it is ridiculously off topic, that is why.

If I was going to explain where I was coming from it would take a long time for me to think about it and would take a long time to write as well. It would end up being too long and way too off topic for this thread.

 

[BrainVessel]

"Why?" because it is ridiculously off topic, that is why.

If I was going to explain where I was coming from it would take a long time for me to think about it and would take a long time to write as well. It would end up being too long and way too off topic for this thread.

Yet you took the time to write that out.

You could always create a new thread and explain to me why it was relevant if you'd like.

 

[Direwolf]

As far as I can see computer hacker, there is absolutely nothing iwrong with you. In fact I believe if I met you on the street we would get along swimmingly. Or it could be that I'm that stuffed up that I percieve you as normal...look on the bright side:
if that is the case we can be rejects together.

 

[QuickTwist]

@Direwolf, You have nothing to worry about, you come across as a normal person.

 

[Direwolf]

@quicktwist thanks man, i needed that oh and Yaaaaaaaaaaaay

 

[computerhxr]

As far as I can see computer hacker, there is absolutely nothing iwrong with you. In fact I believe if I met you on the street we would get along swimmingly. Or it could be that I'm that stuffed up that I percieve you as normal...look on the bright side:
if that is the case we can be rejects together.

I think we would get along just fine in person too.

Honestly, I have selective attention in the forum. The avatars make it easy to scan and find posts that I actually want to read. Direwolf is on the read list.

When I first arrived, I had put several people in the don't-give-a-fuck list. Many of them have earned my respect and are now on the selective-attention list.

Architect is on the borderline list. If we were rams, then we would lock horns and battle until we bash our brains out.

Is this an INTP thing?