What is the difference between an INTP and ENTP?

[gade]

I am definitely an extroverted intuitive personality. I love extr. intuition (Ne) and i hate it at the same time. Exploring and watching all possibilities, everything new has my attention. On the other side, this also means, I can not do the same thing all the time except when i push myself into it. I often don't finish what i begin. Sometimes i forget about ordinary duties when i am involved in the project.

I have strong analytical/logical skills, i love to learn new things, but i do not dive deeply into the subject. I prefer to have wider knowledge instead of deeper. Then i can mix all theories and build new possibilities. I do not say it is easy, but i like it.

Anyway, i am having troubles with E/I identification. I consider myself as an introvert, because exploring new ideas needs to be focused, study, read books, analyse and you can not do it in the crowd. After reading the specifications i think i am an ENTP.

Are there huge differences between ENTP/INTP? Some people say they are close types, but i have read similiar to ENTP is ESTP (ISTP to INTP).

How do you force yourself to focus on one subject only in long run so you do not jump between new possibilities without finishing it?
Thanks.
PS: I also believe it is much easier to live in this world for the mass of organized, simple, action oriented SJs. So do we belong to this time space?

 

[Base groove]

Why not ENFP?

Oh ENFP are fucking awesome btw so no shame.

Your language of identifying yourself as a 'definite extraverted intuitive type' suggests you should be credited with having read and understood the source material on typology.

I have little doubt believing that you are an Ne dominant based on your self-report, above, unless there is more detail that is missing or you have been misled somewhere.**

I think that the way you have described your thinking function implies it might be extraverted as well.

** Meaning this opinion is subject to change as more information is incorporated.

 

[Ex-User (8886)]

The difference between INTP and ENTP is in energetic metabolism. INTP and ENTP have same interests, but they look differently on them. Unfortunetely I don't know details.

 

[QuickTwist]

I'm a lot like gade.

I am usually really good at being able to tell how things will go which a lot of the times prevents me from getting all the details. I am really good at recognising ideas and stuff so I just get the main gist and usually move on. I will often times revisit those ideas so I get a better understanding.

But yeah, if you can't tell how things will progress then its better to not get involved. I have times where I just think. and I mean for like an hour plus; not doing anything but thinking.

 

[Auburn]

Hi and welcome Gade! (I hope you're still around.)

What you say about Ne is quite correct, especially when Ne is strong in an individual. Ums, to maybe help answer your question:

How do you force yourself to focus on one subject only in long run so you do not jump between new possibilities without finishing it?
Thanks.

In the short-term, one thing you can do is utilize your own Fe.

The Je processes (Te/Fe) strongly influence how we execute a strategy in reality. If used properly they can give us deliberation and outwardly structure things the way that fits with us. For higher-Fe users, their Fe alone does the execution without any other prompting, but when Fe is a lower process often times it is not initiated to do this on its own. But it can be prompted.

When Fe is a weaker process, it can be jittered into play by an outside source. For example, people who want to run every morning will find it easier to do so if they know their friend is jogging with them and they don't want to disappoint their friend. So that desire to sustain equilibrium in the friendship motivates their Fe to comply and crawl out the bed at 5am.

And even things like alarms, or setting multiple alarms on one's smartphone, help. This way something outside of your mind is keeping track of things and coordinating your time. Because we already know that if left up to one's own time-insensitive mind, it will be forgotten or overridden by other novel ideas which all-too-quickly populate the imagination.

In the long-run, one can wean themselves off of dependency on external control factors and have a solely internal discipline and focus. But for now, just make/generate an environment that you know you won't be able to escape responsibility from. ^^

 

[The Introvert]

Hi and welcome Gade! (I hope you're still around.)

What you say about Ne is quite correct, especially when Ne is strong in an individual. Ums, to maybe help answer your question:

In the short-term, one thing you can do is utilize your own Fe.

The Je processes (Te/Fe) strongly influence how we execute a strategy in reality. If used properly they can give us deliberation and outwardly structure things the way that fits with us. For higher-Fe users, their Fe alone does the execution without any other prompting, but when Fe is a lower process often times it is not initiated to do this on its own. But it can be prompted.

When Fe is a weaker process, it can be jittered into play by an outside source. For example, people who want to run every morning will find it easier to do so if they know their friend is jogging with them and they don't want to disappoint their friend. So that desire to sustain equilibrium in the friendship motivates their Fe to comply and crawl out the bed at 5am.

And even things like alarms, or setting multiple alarms on one's smartphone, help. This way something outside of your mind is keeping track of things and coordinating your time. Because we already know that if left up to one's own time-insensitive mind, it will be forgotten or overridden by other novel ideas which all-too-quickly populate the imagination.

In the long-run, one can wean themselves off of dependency on external control factors and have a solely internal discipline and focus. But for now, just make/generate an environment that you know you won't be able to escape responsibility from. ^^

But Auburn, an Ne-dom (or any Ne) needn't necessarily have Fe. If he were, say, an ENFP, as BG has suggested, then he would have Fi. At least, Fe wouldn't be of much use to him.

However, based on the writing, I'm guessing ENTP, to which your advice is sound. Meaningless post

 

[Auburn]

Oh, hehe, yeah I thought about that after I posted..
My suggestions may be a bit ill-applied if the OP really isn't NeTi.

Some of it applies to Ne-leads in general, but I should make an amendment. In the case of being NeFi, then "make/generate an environment that you know you won't be able to escape responsibility from" is the most applicable bit. The Je process, whether Fe or Te, can still be prompted by outer factors, but what prompts it is somewhat different for each.

The curious thing, though, is that of all the NeFi I've known very few of them have had as much difficulty channeling focus to their scatteredness as NeTi's do. This is because, despite the placement in the hierarchy, Te is a process more adept at a dispassionate mode of dynamic arrangement.

The process of Fe is more roundabout in how it implements dynamics and structure; using people as vehicles of organization, which requires additional things to work such as maintaining good relations, investing much more emotional energy, and compromising with the wills of others. When one cannot succeed in implementing an external arrangement without first having emotional energy to expend, good relations with people and the receptiveness of others, that dramatically reduces the net efficiency produced -- in general (if one is a talented Fe guru then all power to you).

Inversely, Te can execute without these concerns or restrictions. And while it becomes more challenging to orchestrate Fe the less native it is to the individual (because of lack of emotional energy, confidence, tact, practice, etc) Te can operate relatively uninhibited in whichever hierarchical position it is in. It is a less messy matter, as all the variables necessary for consideration and application of a strategy are readily visible (and not hidden within the emotional worlds of others).

So NeFi's have a more direct access to their Te which is only inhibited by how strongly the voices of Ne and Fi are in their psyche.

TL;DR - Wielding Te effectively is much more common than wielding Fe effectively, as Fe treads upon the unpredictable sensitivities of others and relies on them for the execution of its aim.

 

[gade]

Why not ENFP?

Oh ENFP are fucking awesome btw so no shame.

Your language of identifying yourself as a 'definite extraverted intuitive type' suggests you should be credited with having read and understood the source material on typology.

I have little doubt believing that you are an Ne dominant based on your self-report, above, unless there is more detail that is missing or you have been misled somewhere.**

I think that the way you have described your thinking function implies it might be extraverted as well.

** Meaning this opinion is subject to change as more information is incorporated.

First of all - i'm sure every type is awesome, which means there is no better or worse type. I didn't complain... On the other side I'm just an analytical type and i'm interested in lots of ideas/theories mostly abstract. I remember myself 7, 8 years old with an small encyklopedia in hands watching all the pictures and thinking why this is as it is etc... (I didn't know to read at that time)

Finally - i like my personality so once again - i don't say it is not awesome to be an NTP type but it is wonderfull and paintfull at the same time. Yes you are right, it is possible i missed to write important information (people usually try to make the long story short and they just consider something is important although it is not and vice versa.. So please ask further questions and it would be helpful to write why my text is closer to ENFP.

I don't want to bother with an NTP details which people can read on the internet, but I agree with the details - i'm dealing with MBTI because it has helped me to answer lots of questions. Whatever...

BTW: ENFP was an option too, but after reading several books, spending hours on the internet and finally after thinking and thinking i'm closer to Ne/Ti or Ti/Ne (through Jungian cognitive functions). I strongly don't recommend tests according my experience especially when you mark the answers.

So after reading lots of material, i am nearly 99% sure i am P type. I am definitely not S type. I was thinking about ENFP, INTP and ENTP (now way an INFP). As i said I considered myself as an introvert, because i like to study, simply said just watch the world. I don't like to read books too much (i do but i prefer watching document -> i think i prefer picture more then words)

 

[scenefinale]

Well, if you watch Breaking Bad, Skyler White and Saul Goodman are the ENTPs and Gus Fringe and Lydia are the INTPs, perhaps if you ask yourself which characters you identify with more, you'll get closer to knowing.

 

[Jennywocky]

Lydia, an INTP? Skyler, an ENTP?



... anyway, for one small difference, the ENTP seems to have the "Don't try this at home, kids" circuit burned out. The INTP is more liable to think about it but not actually try it up front.

 

[scenefinale]

Lydia, an INTP? Skyler, an ENTP?

Yes. And, yes. Everything is consistent to me, eyebrow movement and facial expressions, speech and language patterns, overall attitude and character. These are not one of the many typings I feel the need to second guess. I'll explain further if you don't see it.

 

[Jennywocky]

Yes. And, yes. Everything is consistent to me, eyebrow movement and facial expressions, speech and language patterns, overall attitude and character. These are not one of the many typings I feel the need to second guess. I'll explain further if you don't see it.

There's not much point.

 

[The Introvert]

But, assuming Ne-dom, you really only have two options, and they are ENTP and ENFP.

Just judging from this post alone, I reckon ENTP. The easiest way to tell between ENTP and ENFP is presence of Fe vs. Fi, since they are pretty easy functions to observe. In a nutshell, if you're more 'prone' to faulting yourself for problems, that's Fi. Of course everyone does this, but an ENFP has Fi secondary, so it'll be more obvious, something that you could even use to describe yourself.

Alternatively, Fe in the ENTP is present, but somewhat underlying, as it's the third function. In this scenario, you may or may not enjoy people, but as a rule, you feel some sort of 'connection' between yourself and those with which you communicate.

In the case of ENTP, Ti is secondary. Looking at your writing, it seems to be evident of Ti (or rather, lack of Te, which again points away from ENFP), which you've stated. So really, the question becomes ENTP vs. INTP (which again, you've noted).

If your primary sense of persona seems to be Ne, then you're ENTP. Ne is secondary in the INTP, and like Jenny said nicely, ENTPs seem to have the 'don't try this at home' switch burned out. All that means is that you're more likely to follow up on some of those crazy ideas that pop into your head from nowhere.

I see ENTP.

 

[OrLevitate]

First of all - i'm sure every type is awesome, which means there is no better or worse type. I didn't complain... On the other side I'm just an analytical type and i'm interested in lots of ideas/theories mostly abstract. I remember myself 7, 8 years old with an small encyklopedia in hands watching all the pictures and thinking why this is as it is etc... (I didn't know to read at that time)

Finally - i like my personality so once again - i don't say it is not awesome to be an NTP type but it is wonderfull and paintfull at the same time. Yes you are right, it is possible i missed to write important information (people usually try to make the long story short and they just consider something is important although it is not and vice versa.. So please ask further questions and it would be helpful to write why my text is closer to ENFP.

I don't want to bother with an NTP details which people can read on the internet, but I agree with the details - i'm dealing with MBTI because it has helped me to answer lots of questions. Whatever...

BTW: ENFP was an option too, but after reading several books, spending hours on the internet and finally after thinking and thinking i'm closer to Ne/Ti or Ti/Ne (through Jungian cognitive functions). I strongly don't recommend tests according my experience especially when you mark the answers.

So after reading lots of material, i am nearly 99% sure i am P type. I am definitely not S type. I was thinking about ENFP, INTP and ENTP (now way an INFP). As i said I considered myself as an introvert, because i like to study, simply said just watch the world. I don't like to read books too much (i do but i prefer watching document -> i think i prefer picture more then words)

Enfps are generally the most introverted extroverts (don't like others hampering their "anythings possible" perspective, and if a decently developed enfp the leisure time using te (3rd function manifests in leisure) is important to provide structure to the influx of random crap that normally goes through their mind in a sort of automatic float mode of a mental state). Enfps are also said to be the more rational of the idealists. I'm a visual learner too and I'm enfp but idk if there's a correlation.

When you're working hard; primary cog function. What it filters through/what adds to it; 2nd func. Leisure chill mode thought process; 3rd.

 

[TheManBeyond]

Yes. And, yes. Everything is consistent to me, eyebrow movement and facial expressions, speech and language patterns, overall attitude and character. These are not one of the many typings I feel the need to second guess. I'll explain further if you don't see it.

I think they are both xSTJs. Can't really decide if introverted or extraverted, i would guess ESTJ for Skyler.

 

[The Introvert]

Enfps are also said to be the more rational of the idealists.

I consider my close ENFP friend to be a rationalist. Despite the "anything is possible" mentality, it often seems to be subjugated by the "take it step by step" mentality, which is, IMO, indicative of a rationalist at heart.

 

[scenefinale]

I think they are both xSTJs. Can't really decide if introverted or extraverted, i would guess ESTJ for Skyler.

You're "guessing".

S4E05 "Shotgun" @ 21:55

"We having second thoughts?"
"Every hour of every day."

This is classic ENTP playing devil's advocate. If I have time I'll elaborate on this more in a video.

 

[own8ge]

INTP is a judger, ENTP is a perceiver.

INTPS: Ji dominant (ti). This means that all thoughts serve the purpose/curiosity of Ti.
For ENTPs, they are Pe dominant, Ne. This means that all their thoughts serve the purpose/curiosity of Ne.

INTPs (ti) will perceive to judge.
ENTPs (ne) will judge to perceive.

FUNDAMENTAL difference. Understood?!

 

[Brontosaurie]

monstercrab living is the huge differance

 

[WALKYRIA]

LYDia is such a lovely lady ... just watched some interview and yeah , she looks like a weirdo IRL thus INTP seems possible.