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What is Music to You?

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Some may say music promotes creativity and deep thought (possibly through melody or lyrics), others prefer it for its entertainment value or as a method of interpretation, physical or mental. Still, others might say it is nothing but sheer escapism.

Given that the appreciation for music is virtually universal, I think it would be false to say any definition is applicable to everyone. Music is then, of course, what it is to the individual listener/artist. So what is it to you? How do you choose to listen to your music? What attracts you to it? Is there good and bad music? What do you listen to? One can answer these questions, and so much more - but ultimately I ask, "Why music?"

For me:

Most of my adolescent peers listen to such music as rap, R&B, rock, country, and overall commercialized stuff. Not to say that commercialization directly implies it (and I'm just using this as an example), but I find that this music tends to fundamentally lack in "something more." It seems that, even if I can find that one-in-a-thousand, likable song, it gets boring and derivative in only a few listens. My current idea is that people who tend to like this music probably have a predominantly Sensing function as opposed to an iNtuition function. Whether poppy, melodic, or head-bobbing, this music caters to dancing, singing, and/or emotionalism. Not content to listen to a song without quickly becoming bored of it, these people prefer their songs to be within a range of 3-5 minutes and potentially even shorter in duration when mixed at dances.

Although any normal song can sound good to me, I find that I will get bored of the song quickly if it caters more to a Sensing function. What I mean by this is that the song is focused on the here and the now - that is, there is no sense of progression, nuance and depth, and the song just "gives itself" to you in all its "epic glory" (one need only look at today's rave scene to know what I mean by this). In another words, it seems as if this music requires no attention span, and to me, once I've heard it once, I've heard all that it has to offer. Lyrics, to some, provide deep meaning to a song. I, on the other hand, pay little attention to them other than to know what they say.

I won't be so naïve as to say that the music described above is inherently bad; it is not my place to pass judgment on this music when I do not truly understand it. However, the fact that I cannot even pretend to appreciate it should certainly mean that it is just not meant for me.

iNtuiting individuals think of the abstract, the possibilities, and the future. I find that I apply this concept much to my music. I meticulously listen to music when it allows it - a subtle change in tone or volume, that carefully placed sound, the flow of the music. Despite this scrutiny, I also look at the song holistically; what has changed between the time period?; what do I think/feel as the song progresses? Do not think that I overanalyze music! Instead, I would say it is an intense synchronization that I seek in music, and within that synchronization I am free to explore both the song and, ultimately, my mind. Within every sonic journey should lie infinite possibilities.

However, it truly is too hard to successfully communicate this musical experience given our barrier of limited language and linguistics. I can say that music transcends thoughts and emotions for me, often reaching a physical and then metaphysical sort of plane. I can explain the physicality by asserting that humans are capable of unconciously interacting with physical sound waves. An interesting idea my friend's father postulated was that songs with ~130BPM are so universally appealing because they mimic the heartbeat we experienced in our mothers' wombs, and thus we unconciously associate it with security and warmth. Music's abstract effects on me tend to be profound. How is it that a song can evoke a simultaneous sense of childhood nostalgia, a deep longing for childhood memories which never occured (but are so strongly felt), and with that a strangely emotionally-dull atmosphere of tragedy? This is where music, for me, seems to go beyond any definity - the only way I can ever describe these experiences is a deep longing to not only synchronize with but to become the song and to have it be interpreted in every breadth of reality.

When I say I pay little attention to lyrics, it is because they have a sort of definitive interpretation; what was said is what was meant. Vague and abstract (but not too esoteric and exasperating) lyrics can really catalyze a different sort of thinking, but those tend to be rare. Generally, if an individual feels that lyrics provide depth and meaning to his/her life, that's great - but I want my change to come from myself and with a totally independent interpretation of my music.

That's about all I have to say for myself. What about you?
 

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Music's abstract effects on me tend to be profound. How is it that a song can evoke a simultaneous sense of childhood nostalgia, a deep longing for childhood memories which never occured (but are so strongly felt), and with that a strangely emotionally-dull atmosphere of tragedy? This is where music, for me, seems to go beyond any definity - the only way I can ever describe these experiences is a deep longing to not only synchronize but to become the song and to have it be interpreted in every breadth of reality.

Well said. I think I know what you mean about the emotionally dull atmosphere- for me it's that I simply exist as I listen and I walk through nostalgic landscapes. Upon initial consideration it seems emotionally dull, but it's actually quite charged. I feel invigorated in existence yet subdued. My mind comes alive.

I realized something about my music when my ESFP friend requested I plug in my iPod at her birthday. I was confounded as to why she'd ask that of me; she like very energetic music, very S stimulating beats and whatnot. I jokingly told her I listen to "boring" music.
But here it was: to me it's like water to float, raft, or cascade down as I navigate my mind. It might take you somewhere completely new, or it might lead you to the bank of a familiar river.

I listen to lots of energetic music too though, simply because it revs me up and makes me happy :)
 

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If there was no music, I'd probably would have killed myself already. Music is everything. No. Music is the only thing.


Music is your only friend until the end
 

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It's definitely interesting to think about where I would be without music - scary, really. I'm not entirely sure I would have killed myself without it (but it's a definite possibility), but in a sense I think my persona would be crippled and emasculated compared to the one I have today. A worse sort of death, I should think.

Interestingly, I associate the greatest and most important events of my life with music, whether those events have or have yet to have occurred. My personal favorite track essentially defines me - or truly I have defined the song to be me and essentially what every single hedonistic tendency in me calls out for; if life were this song - that is, if it could truly become synchronized with the song - it could only be described as transcendent of all positivity in "normal" life.

(For anyone interested, this is the song)
 

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If there was no music, I'd probably would have killed myself already. Music is everything. No. Music is the only thing.


Music is your only friend until the end


Agreed on this :P

As far as a more descriptive idea of what music is to me... it's, sort of my emotion or mental processes, or something. I don't know. It's extremely difficult to describe, but if I find a song I like, it's pretty much better than sex, and I'll call the song orgasmic XD

Music such a massive part of me though, I play instruments, I listen to all kinds, I analyze and dissect it, pick out what I like best and such. I'm always humming a tune internally or externally if something isn't playing.

I love songs with running patterns, especially in a 6/8 or 3/4 time, or triplet drag in 4/4. Something with a lot of break beat patterning in it, or lacks patterning but sticks within rhythmic proportions. It's all very complex -_- Minor keys are so much better than major to me. Arrgh... I think I'm drifting off topic, sorry.
 

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Can't really define music, I enjoy complicated pieces though as I like exploring them, that's why i'm less inclined to pop music which is designed to be understood on the first listen.

I use it as a tool to understand myself, not that the music defines me, but by seeing how I interpret it and what it means to me. Albums like Trout Mask Replica are so strange that even though I enjoy it I cannot fully understand it, to me it's like heaven as i'd want it complex and beautiful in its eccentricity.

Music is beyond description.
 

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Music, to me, is the view of my inner mind. To put it a better way, music that I like seems to represent my mental processes, be them based on thought or suppressed emotion. For example, many of the songs I like are punk, which often have somewhat discordant, fast paced music, accompanied with metaphoric, idealist, non-conformist lyrics, with no set rhyme scheme/an easily broken rhyme scheme. All of which I see, at least somewhat, in my mind.
 

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I am more of a musical being, than a 'rationale' being. There seems to be more substance in the universe of defined by the 5 dimensions of music, than in the universe defined by the 4 dimensions of the 'objective' world. As have others of this forum, I have had the problem of not being able to escape from the constant flow of word-thought in my head, I have been able to shut off that flow if I submerge myself in the flow of music instead. For me though, the POV that is provided by music transcends just the acoustical dimension, there is something deeper, more profound, being expressed - like some type of fundamental conservation with Self...(?)

I prefer 'musical' music, I would have said instrumental music but I believe that the human voice may be one of the greatest musical instruments in 'the' universe. However, I think that most lyrics detract from music. I think that a lot of 'popular' music is just poetry being 'read' with a musical background. I end up listening to voices singing words in foreign languages, so I do not have to engage that part of my brain that deals with words, so I can stay entirely in the Muse..., in the Music...
 

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Music to me is probably the most important thing in the world, no exaggeration. ...well, I've been staring at the screen for 15 minutes thinking what else to write and I honestly have no idea.

I'll just quote Kuu's post:

If there was no music, I'd probably would have killed myself already. Music is everything. No. Music is the only thing.


Music is your only friend until the end
 

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Music is the emotional and logical pulse of human creativity and expression.
 

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I prefer 'musical' music, I would have said instrumental music but I believe that the human voice may be one of the greatest musical instruments in 'the' universe. However, I think that most lyrics detract from music. I think that a lot of 'popular' music is just poetry being 'read' with a musical background. I end up listening to voices singing words in foreign languages, so I do not have to engage that part of my brain that deals with words, so I can stay entirely in the Muse..., in the Music...

Perhaps you might like this (fast forward to about a 1:30 in).
 

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Music is the resonance of the soul. When I listen to music I can feel the resonance of others.


That probably makes no sense...
 

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Music is the resonance of the soul. When I listen to music I can feel the resonance of others.


That probably makes no sense...

I wonder if people with Amusia have no soul...
 

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Someone here had a signature quote that went something like "music is what happens when you count without knowing you're counting", which seems like a nice way to describe it.

And in terms of music, what a time to be alive huh? Music is everywhere. You can go on YouTube, or countless other sites and hear more music than you have time for. You can discover almost anything. The only sad thing is that you won't live long enough to hear everything you might like to hear.

Music can change lives. You can hear something and not be the same the next day. And at times it seems that music is a far more accurate way for people to communicate, compared to mere words. There are things in some songs I "get" that I don't know the words to describe. It may be (in part) that music evolved to facilitate socialization, to communicate the uncommunicable.
 

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Personally I'm terrified when people look at my iPod or want to listen to my music. They're always asking me what my favorite bands are, and it's hard to answer honestly. They just want something in common with me and probably aren't even interested on my interpretation of the song.

Music is my escape from reality and is simply unexplainable.
 

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I love that piece by Shostakovich..thank you for posting it.

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"Music is a moral law. It gives soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination, and charm and gaiety to life and to everything." ~ Plato
 

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To throw in another quote:

"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music."
- Aldous Huxley from Music At Night, 1931

I play the piano and consider Chopin to be my favorite composer (skip to 1:00):
 

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I was thinking about this today. You see, I am back at home for thanksgiving and I left my keyboard at school. I'm just starting to realize how much I had been using it to relieve stress. For example, if I had a particularly stressful or worrisome day, I always came back to my room after classes and was able to sit by myself and just play my keyboard. I never played anything I knew how to play at those times, I would kind of just try to relax and imagine all of the stress exiting my body from my appendages, and listening to the sounds they made. Not only has this helped me to relax but some cool melodies have come from it.

Now that I can't play at all, I've found that I'm just listening to music all of the time, especially piano pieces.
 

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I like that Shostakovich as well.

Anthile, what a beautiful way to put it. I know (or think I do) exactly what you mean.

I'd say music is the beauty of life distilled.

What it does for me - it's like a completely reliable friend. There are very few occasions when music fails me, and more than once it's healed my insides, corny as that sounds. (I think this fits fine within a materialist framework.)

I also think it's a safe way to explore emotions, and that's why it seems to have such a particular draw for INTPs (using the label as a convenient indicator of general trends only). I think true life experience can greatly enhance our appreciation of music, but even without that it's possible through music to undergo certain emotional journeys without the usual messiness of human relations.

I actually think it's a bit of a cop-out, in some ways. Sort of like masturbating only and avoiding sex with a partner. We have needs but we're unwilling to extend ourselves enough to learn to cope with the less savoury aspects of relationships. Music and books (several here have mentioned having far more emotional investment in fictional characters than the people around them) are very convenient. There's (usually) a beginning, and an end, with a completely controlled amount of uncertainty. Participation is voluntary at all times, and a decision to step away doesn't entail negative consequences.

Shovel of salt, etc. Music has many other important uses of course, and I wouldn't do away with it for anything. Aside from being exercises in aesthetics and beneficial for the mind (I'd say this is especially true for pieces which adhere to forms, eg the fugue) they also facilitate self-exploration.

Ok I had more to say but I got distracted. Summary: you guys are cowards, music is awesome, I'm a hypocrite.
 

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Was about to go to bed, but this topic is keeping me awake. Like everyone else I find music to be mandatory to my personal existence, but I am stuck on.....

WHY?

I understand how reading sustains me, as it allows me to fantasize about new places, people and things. It also teaches me things and makes me laugh.

But what does music do, I mean REALLY do? I tap my feet, or I hum along, or I'm swept away in the sonic wave, but why is it important to have my cells tingle with the rush? What do I gain?

Then I have to ask, is it ME that gains, or my psyche as it seem to be most affected by music. I can put in headphones and do all my work without really hearing the music, but work 10X harder and focus much more intensely on my work with the music than without. But wouldn't music distract me? Again, who is benefiting here, me (consciousness) or me (unconscious self).

And why can I be moved by both Sepultura and Lady Gaga? Wouldn't that mean that there are several different psyche that are fulfilled by the different music? If so, does that mean I have multiple personalities lurking underneath what seems to be a strong protective wall, but in reality may only be a wall drawn on canvas to keep the barbarians from storming the mind-gate?

Or is it just that it has a good beat and you can dance to it?
 

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Music is the ultimate form of expression for me. Whenever someone asks me how I feel, or what my opinion on X is, I would rather point them at a piece of music, a novel, a film, etc. because art has already expressed much of what I feel better than I can articulate it. For example, someone asked me about the direction that humanity is headed and how soon the world will end, and I simply pointed them to the lyrics of a song, "All the World is Mad" by Thrice.

We are saints made of plaster, our laughter is canned;
We are demons that hide in the mirror.
But the blood on our hands paints a picture exceedingly clear.

We are brimming with cumbersome, murderous greed,
And malevolence deep and profound.
We do unspeakable deeds, does our wickedness know any bounds?

Something's gone terribly wrong with everyone;
All the world is mad.
Darkness brings terrible things; the sun is gone -
What vanity! our sad, wretched fires.

We can't medicate man to perfection again;
We can't legislate peace in our hearts.
We can't educate sin from our souls, it's been there from the start.

But the blind lead the blind into bottomless pits,
Still we smile and deny that we're cursed.
But of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst.

Oh, what little light we have!
It only serves to show
The snares and seeds of wrath
We have already sewn on every path

These lyrics are so profound. They express what I feel and much much more. That is what music is to me.
 

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^That's not music though. Does music do the same for you? Is music the ultimate form of expression for you, or art (as the larger category), or the song (a particular subset of music)?
 

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Anthile, what a beautiful way to put it. I know (or think I do) exactly what you mean.

I'd say music is the beauty of life distilled.

Part of this beauty is how music does not require any prior understanding or framework with which to understand, or at least to appreciate it. This seems to hint that music has a connection to all of us at some deep, mysterious level. Even animals are known to be affected by it. Music seems to operate on some primal understanding that all beings that have known sound and emotion have.

I wonder what intelligent aliens who are not part of our evolutionary tree would think of it. Beautiful mathematics maybe?

What it does for me - it's like a completely reliable friend. There are very few occasions when music fails me, and more than once it's healed my insides, corny as that sounds. (I think this fits fine within a materialist framework.)

I find this very useful actually. Sometimes I find myself on destructive thought patterns I can consciously recognise but find very difficult to pull away from. I turn on a complex and uplifting piece and just let it carry my mind away. I would be too busy analysing the complex and rich melodies and contemplating the mysterious basis for its effects to really care about anything any more.

I also think it's a safe way to explore emotions, and that's why it seems to have such a particular draw for INTPs (using the label as a convenient indicator of general trends only). I think true life experience can greatly enhance our appreciation of music, but even without that it's possible through music to undergo certain emotional journeys without the usual messiness of human relations.

In my humble and most likely fallible opinion, the mind is a most dangerous place few are brave enough to explore. It is by no means safe unless you discount the perils of psychosis and low self esteem from the realities that are mentally faced with resolution if not a chance of hope. You do not have to come face to face with reality to accept it. The entire field of mathematics is based on this. It's rather like swimming in a river sometimes. :smoker:

Human relationships just complicate things further. If our models do not accurately reflect reality, then we simply must re-examine our premises. Besides, a reality that is obtained from human relationships can hardly be fully objective... landlubber. :smoker:

We just have to be able to gather the iron will to believe in ourselves and enough conceit to audaciously believe that we are worthy of happiness. That we have a place in this world.

I actually think it's a bit of a cop-out, in some ways. Sort of like masturbating only and avoiding sex with a partner. We have needs but we're unwilling to extend ourselves enough to learn to cope with the less savoury aspects of relationships. Music and books (several here have mentioned having far more emotional investment in fictional characters than the people around them) are very convenient. There's (usually) a beginning, and an end, with a completely controlled amount of uncertainty. Participation is voluntary at all times, and a decision to step away doesn't entail negative consequences.

Unless you write or perform of course. I am learning an instrument right now, guitar, and it is devilishly difficult. Have not given up yet though. However, I understand that many of us play instruments with excellent proficiency, and also use music as a medium of expression, even if we are not creating music.

I will busk on Orchard Road one day. I will play Surfing with the Aliens. I do not know when I will do it. I may even procrastinate it to death. However I know one day I would like to share my feelings in a language that is more than language: Music.

Ok I had more to say but I got distracted. Summary: you guys are cowards, music is awesome, I'm a hypocrite.

Go lubber some more on your precious land landlubber. :elephant:

(I know lubber is not a verb.)
 

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^That's not music though. Does music do the same for you? Is music the ultimate form of expression for you, or art (as the larger category), or the song (a particular subset of music)?

If you mean music with lyrics, then to me it is mostly an expression of mood. A lot of times I will put on music that reflects my mood at the moment. I go through mood phases where I'll listen to a particular piece of music or band for an extremely long time and get to know the songs/lyrics very well. I form a strong emotional connection with music and the people that create it.
 

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I feel the same. It's almost like a download of the best of experience into your mind.
 

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I think this is my new favorite thread (though I haven't read all of it yet because I'm going to post and then get some sleep.

Music is my existence as well. (I would also be dead without it.)
Out of curiosity, have any of you studied music theory? I believe that is a lot of why it attracts INTPs so much. When you start looking at the theory behind it, you find that it is a giant logical system that can be manipulated. At the same time, it's a form of emotional expression/learning.

Current studies are finding that music enhances concentration. The reason for this is, contrary to beliefs of the past, music activates nearly ALL AREAS of your brain. Not just the hemisphere associated with creativity. By stimulating your mind like this, you increase the ability for a thought process, and therefore you think more logically about the task at hand. That basic system is also why classical music and modern music give you a similar effect. (Assuming you like both songs.) They are finding however that if you don't like what you are hearing, it has negative effects.

There was a comment about strange time signatures, if you'd like I'll post my list of weird time signature songs. (This is some of the most fun I have while listening "Ooh random 3/4, ooh this one is in 5/4")

<Sorta about the topic> I've corrected people on how having good time and good timing are completely different things. My timing is good but my time is terrible because it doesn't exist so therefore I have trouble following it </satt>
Going to bed. Night
 

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Music...is not so important to me. But Sound is.
 

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Aside from the very best of wishes and sentiments, the communion of music amongst individuals, I believe, is a hallmark of our ever-tribal species. Sharing music allows for much more complex communication than words rendered obsolete might ever achieve; the ability to experience the widest spectra of insights, perceptions, and emotions is an effect of music that I do not think is paralleled by any other form of human exchange.
 
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