What if only gays and lesbians are allowed in the army?

[BurnedOut]

Would it reduce war crimes and behavioral problems caused due to being away from spouses?

 

[ZenRaiden]

That would be one tiny army.

 

[BurnedOut]

Unlikely because they do represent quite a proportion of the population which should be enough for conscription. Additional quotas can be fulfilled by other genders and as a last resort straight persons

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

Would it reduce war crimes and behavioral problems caused due to being away from spouses?

i hear they're pretty fierce

 

[ZenRaiden]

enough for conscription.

I know your post is hypothetical, but the fact conscription is a though business now days is not secret.
I can see how some nations might not have issue filling the quota, but generally there was lowering of requirements, because people don't like dying for exchange of food.
You also need reserves for actual war. Its one thing having some of those imperial escapades where people just tour some country, and having a military capable of fighting legit enemy.

 

[Cognisant]

Gay men have all the advantages of a man minus the disadvantages of a man.

Lesbians have all the diadvantages of a woman plus the disadvantages of a man.

 

[BurnedOut]

I can see how some nations might not have issue filling the quota, but generally there was lowering of requirements, because people don't like dying for exchange of food.

I talked to some soldiers in one of the cantonments. Hint: They lead a weirdly miserable life which is really boring at times with no work to do at all because there aren't so many conflicts going on and most of them don't even see the battlefield or experience any combat situation. A huge proportion of them are doing household chores in the base to pass the time because there are so many reserves.

You might also know about Indira Gandhi - the PM who was assassinated by a Sikh bodyguard followed by a genocide against the Sikh community which was as good as ethnic cleansing for 'revenge'. Turns out there are plentiful soldiers hating the PM and condemning her for attacking a fully armed Sikh temple which was harboring Sikh separatists.

What was surprising is that these soldiers did not have an ounce of patriotism. They were just there because they belonged to really backward areas and had no employment opportunity. At the base, I could see them being the bellboys and guides of the higher ranked officers playing with their kids and taking their wives out for shopping. It was such a weird experience. So if patriotism is not a factor, clearly it is just another job as risky as being a truck driver in mountainous regions.

Moreover wherever soldiers go, they cause devastation. They protect one country to destroy the humanity of the other. The real victims of war are civilians and soldiers are responsible for perpretating it. If they are not psychopathic then what drives them to be so heinous? Is it because they are missing companionship and their family? Why do women become toys to them? So comically enough if one dong dings with another, we would straight up see a reduction in war crimes

 

[ZenRaiden]

If they are not psychopathic then

I don't think soldiers are psychopathic, but I do think most of them are kind of clueless about values and life.
More over, some people are not psychopathic in pathological sense, but are capable of enormous cruelty.
The only thing what I believe is correct motivation for military is poverty and escaping it, but its a tricky career choice. Patriotism rhymes with other word starting with I.

 

[Cognisant]

A soilder's life is often pointless and cruel, the ability to endure suffering is idolized so nobody cares when they're treated badly or unfairly, it's fine, they're men, they can take it.

This is why abusers are often the victems of abuse, it becomes normal to them, expected, so when they find themselves in a position of power they see no reason not to be abusive, it's normal, it's expected.

Addng women to the armed forces was a recipe for disaster but in the long run their presence will help reform the forces, it's not as acceptable to be cruel to women, even if they are soilders.

 

[scorpiomover]

Soldiers would probably spend a lot of time screwing each other.

 

[BurnedOut]

Exactly! Some companionship sexual and platonic and even relationships would be so much better than sex starved soldiers ravaging entire villages like in Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc

 

[Cognisant]

I wager most rapists aren't incels and that most rapes don't occur as random attacks out in public. Rather I think the two biggest categories would be men taking advantage of women in vulnerable situations (I'm not giving examples because I'd rather not dwell on it) and I reckon the most prolific rapists are the men who can get away with it, in positions of wealth/power and insulated from the consequences of their actions.

My point is, if being "sex starved" was sufficient motivation to ravage villages we'd probably be seeing a lot more rape, because there's a lot of incels, enough that you'd think women wouldn't be able to walk the streets without men escorting them. Heck in places like India and China I'd expect gangs of men to be milling around outside women's homes hoping to seize upon an opportunity to attack them.

Granted I think being sex-starved is part of it, but there's also the stress of combat (your priorities may change when there's a very real chance you might die tomorrow) and as I said before I think the abuse soldiers receive is the main cause, they are purposefully dehumanized to make them better killers and that, consequently, makes them more likely to commit other crimes.

An example that comes to mind are the Australian SAS special forces who were sent to Afghanistan, put under the command of the Americans who basically told the to go play in the sand and stay out of the way. The problem was these guys are professional killers, you don't drop their leash and tell them to go find something to occupy them because that's exactly what they're going to do. They went hunting and the Americans didn't realize this was a problem until the Australians has more prisoners than a Chinook could carry, so they started executing the extras, in front of the Americans.

It didn't occur to them that this was the wrong thing to do, this is what they were trained for, seek and destroy, they were in a target rich environment and command had given them free reign to choose their own objectives.

They chose violence.

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

 

[Black Rose]

Anyone over 30 recognizes that wars do not benefit anyone at least that men under 30 have always been used to fight for resources or take things from other countries.

It is well-known how age and resources work in war.

That is why the military does what it does.

But we do not get what we want in modern times because of the human rights declaration preventing wars from being about taking resources.

In globalization only wars that work are cold wars, destabilization, and secret wars (spying).

So the money would be best for helping the country instead of fighting but the leaders still think the energies of those under 30 must be kept in check.

 

[BurnedOut]

Heck in places like India and China I'd expect gangs of men to be milling around outside women's homes hoping to seize upon an opportunity to attack them.

At least wherever the Indian Army is stationed, the government gives them a free reign and they are suddenly above all law and accountability. In the case of Kashmir, soldiers perpetuate worse violence than the terrorists they are fighting. Moreover don't armies run the sex economy of whatever place they go to?

I think the abuse soldiers receive is the main cause, they are purposefully dehumanized to make them better killers and that, consequently, makes them more likely to commit other crimes.

I totally agree that incelism is just ONE of the factors but it addresses several other fundamental problems of being soldiers insofar their behavior is concerned. The places they target usually have oldies, women and children especially if the men have been conscripted. From what I have heard from a Kashmiri, rape is a part of daily life as a way to instill fear and enforce order in terrorism-infested areas such as Kashmir Valley. If we can just eliminate at least one war crime, that would still be a huge victory for mankind

I chose rape as a topic of discourse because it marks the point where the enemy is obliterated by humiliation. If devastation of property and killing of their men is not enough, this crime simply takes away the last ounce of dignity.

'When I Sing, the Bad Memories Disappear'

At a hospital for rape victims, Platon finds "the most inspiring people I have ever met"

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[ZenRaiden]

Military half logic, very little culture, whatever humanity is in military does not come from military, but from family.
Most military people ain't bad people, but they are trained to be bulldogs, that bite.
Aggressive and with little regard for nuances and gradient thinking.
These people are indoctrinated.
They are people who get nonsense goals and orders and accomplish them through dead bodies if needs to be.
You are in military where culture is sideshow.
Your job is to die or kill.
You cannot function normally when that is your profession.
I don't mean this in mean way towards military people, but very few of them can tell you WHY something is happening.
Most of them don't even know how.
They are just highly trained cogs in a massive machine.
They have ant hive logic.
You give them they execute.
That unfortunately often times bleeds into civilian life.