What does it mean to be very intelligent?

[Black Rose]

Intelligence is hard to define, I have been trying to understand it for a very long time. So far what I thought intelligence was about is taking in information and simulating all possible outcomes yet one part was missing, perceptual memory. What happens is that we take in a 3D world we perceive and we remember things putting them together inside our heads with memories of what we have in front of us to solve problems. So first we perceive then we recognize the problem then we combine what we know with our perception. Thinking begins with perception then memory then simulating possible solutions.

When I realized this it became more clear what was needed to formulate intelligence. Intelligence is about the chucking process in retrieval and storage in memory. This means working memory is the chunk former in and out of long-term memory. IQ begins with a value but this value is used to calculate the number of chucks a person can retrieve and compare all at once and then store.

This can be any kind of memory, the 8 intelligences by Howard Gardner.

What matters is that in perception a person is thinking about the subject by comparing all the data in short-term memory to long-term memory. This is different from the manipulation happening in working memory. A person's working memory can only do so much, it is like a calculator but it is not all of intelligence.

For the brain calculator to be integrated into the equation we must do this:

Perception = ((IQ - 65)/5)^3

Caluclation = (IQ - 65)/5

IQ = (P/(C^2))*5 + 65

My IQ would then be,

128 = ((201.6/16))*5 + 65

This means that what I can keep track of is about 4 things at once and what I can calculate is 200 things at once in perception. Putting two and two together is hard for me but it makes more sense to divide things into perception and calculation. Long-term storage is when current perceptions are stored after thinking.

Besides this we can say that IQ 200 is equivalent to this:

200 = (19,683/729)*5 + 65

This means a person can perceive about 20 thousand objects in space and track about 27 thoughts or chunks at once that these perceptions bring up from long-term memory. The average 100-IQ person can handle 7 chunks and perceive 343 things at any given moment. The brain is not always symmetrical in how it does this so many times one will be above or below the other.

A person with a symmetrical IQ of 105 can assimilate around 512 objects in space but can compare 64 of them at the same time. The number of comparisons possible is squared by working memory and 54 squares exist on a Rubik's cube. C squared is working memory.

The point is that this scale is absolute.

What matters is that intelligence is about getting information in and out.

This ability called "intelligence" has everything to do with the resolution of comparison.

 

[ZenRaiden]

When I look at savant syndrome as they call it now, it feels as those their ability to work with data is infinite compared to averages, but only in narrow sense.
I once realized that I am capable of tracking some dozen things at one time, but since I never realized this since it was subconscious, it never occurred to me.
Trouble is my mind tracks things that are completely useless in many things that would make my life productive.

So for instance I can create obscenely complex visual patterns in my mind, but I never found them useful, not even in art. In art I have a blank mind anyway.
I can track lots of data, and memories, its just that they aren't particularly useful at my job or in anything in life.
Whats the damn point knowing the blue painted fence had a certain pattern at some random place, when I can't remember the damn day it is today and I can't talk to people and converse.
Whats the point in having the ability to recall movie scenes, but not remembering the things people say or whats the damn movie name.
Whats the point of knowing millions of things that get erased the moment I feel overwhelmed.
When my mind works it works seamlessly in ways I don't even understand.
But most people who know me would swear I am idiot. They insist I am intelligent, but they don't know I have ADHD. So they often tell me I don't pay attention or don't listen. I often dissociate for some reason I don't notice.
First half of my life the whole intellectual input was into computer games.
I could win 8 vs 8 games on cs 1.6 single-handedly defeat all players alone, got banned for wall hacks and aim bots, but I never used cheats, its just admins thought I was cheating, because I played so good. Eventually I had to play bad so I would not get banned all the time, because then no servers would admit me.
I now lost interest in computer games, as it was taking time form my actual life, but computer games were survival strategy.
I am able to follow my internal logic systems, but I struggle with words and the way people write and talk, so I often don't understand what is being said, or what is written. Its like I have to constantly translate things in to my own language before I understand them.
One guy said on internet, that once he tried thinking stupid he got higher score on IQ test.
I tried stupid on some overused IQ test and realized I have the same issue.
The more stupid I think the quicker I get the answer.
But I am INTP so quick answers make me nervous, as I don't have time to think about them.
I scored a higher score on the IQ test while thinking the word "stupid".
I often don't say the things I think, because I don't know how to say them.
So I know IQ tests don't measure my kind of intelligence in many ways.
I also cannot reconstruct random geometric pattern like they have you on IQ test.
I never really learned how my mind works, and still don't know where it might be useful.

 

[Black Rose]

with what I said about getting things in and out of memory:

we make comparisons which means we say

if a then b and if b the c so if a then c

a then c is a shortcut

you can do this with people, Jim is mad because Tim did x on day y

so it is not so hard if you have the symmetrical ability in all areas to get the information in and out

I think I am a savant too, but not with geometry necessarily

I might just have crazy ideas

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@ZenRaiden

You can understand physics and math.

Is it possible to program the mind to do this?

It seems you can introspect on many internal processes.

With people, it makes more sense to me because people are like fluids rather than solids to me.

 

[onesteptwostep]

It doesn't mean much to be very intelligent because in the end, you die.

 

[Black Rose]

It doesn't mean much to be very intelligent because in the end, you die.

permanently?

 

[onesteptwostep]

What do you think death is? Even if there is an afterlife, what good does intelligence have there?

 

[Black Rose]

What do you think death is? Even if there is an afterlife, what good does intelligence have there?

If my mind were more symmetrical in what it could do I would have less frustration and anxiety when thinking and in general, have the energy to think.

When looking at paper I have the hardest time, nothing comes out of my head.

 

[birdsnestfern]

It simply means you experience consciousness which is amazing in itself. If the universe is a living breathing being with ultimate consciousness that it has experienced through its millions of creatures and beings, ie, what it means to be a rock, a drop of water, a breeze of air, a galaxy, a human emotion, a planet, it is simply gathering more of itself like an expanding snail through time. Every thought and experience you have is part of this bigger consciousness. You are one with it. You can't experience others because they are doing a different function, but you know they are out there with the same limitations. We are here to serve the universal consciousness is how I see it. Try everything within reason to expand it, it wants you to expand its experience. The feeling that you are one with everything and working WITH it, helps expand this gentle awareness further. Be simplistic and true to your heart in it. I think it cares more that you have heart consciousness than brain and intellect or religion to navigate through it.

 

[onesteptwostep]

What do you think death is? Even if there is an afterlife, what good does intelligence have there?

If my mind were more symmetrical in what it could do I would have less frustration and anxiety when thinking and in general, have the energy to think.

When looking at paper I have the hardest time, nothing comes out of my head.

Intelligence isn't having answers to things, it's being able to give back and forth. If you don't know, you don't know and that's perfectly fine. No one dies knowing everything in life.

What's better, having one single good friend or all the knowledge in the world, but you live on a deserted island?

 

[EndogenousRebel]

I liked these criteria.

Expertise

Imaginative Thinking

Openness To Experience

Intrinsic Motivation

Creative Environment

They aren't dependent on context. Not on factors out of your control at all really.

I suppose you can envision someone who would be more intelligent in a different context for reasons like motivation, but I would think someone who can allow themselves to not be defined by their environment is the bottom requirement for intelligence.

So autonomy is a component of intelligence. Not in a social hierarchy way.

 

[Puffy]

What do you think death is? Even if there is an afterlife, what good does intelligence have there?

If my mind were more symmetrical in what it could do I would have less frustration and anxiety when thinking and in general, have the energy to think.

When looking at paper I have the hardest time, nothing comes out of my head.

Intelligence isn't having answers to things, it's being able to give back and forth. If you don't know, you don't know and that's perfectly fine. No one dies knowing everything in life.

What's better, having one single good friend or all the knowledge in the world, but you live on a deserted island?

Agree with the general sentiment, I'm not sure that high intelligence has much bearing on leading a happy life.

 

[Black Rose]

Intelligence isn't having answers to things, it's being able to give back and forth. If you don't know, you don't know and that's perfectly fine. No one dies knowing everything in life.

What's better, having one single good friend or all the knowledge in the world, but you live on a deserted island?

I think it is called internal generation.

People can do the back-and-forth thing inside their heads with themselves.

This generates what comes out.

It is not that I want to know a specific answer, it is just that it would be nice if I could sit at home with a pen and paper and generate ideas by myself.

Every time I come home with nothing to do I feel sad. That is why I spend all my time doing research because I have no internal creativity.

Without some kind of instant feedback I could not do anything, I spent many hours at home trying to learn programming and math but I could not get as far as other persons. I did not have the tools or the mentality to understand at times what I was doing. It took 13 years to complete one computer program. That to me is unsustainable. But what else am I supposed to do?

I can and do now understand the brain and intelligence but it is an uphill battle to know what I am supposed to do with this information and experience I gained.

I suppose you can envision someone who would be more intelligent in a different context for reasons like motivation, but I would think someone who can allow themselves to not be defined by their environment is the bottom requirement for intelligence.

So autonomy is a component of intelligence. Not in a social hierarchy way.

The only thing I do is write research papers, but not for anyone but myself. I do not know what to do with them. I share them with people I think would like to read them but it will take time before I have money to pay my mom to drive me to the university. I will not attend I just want to find out if any groups exist I can talk to.

Agree with the general sentiment, I'm not sure that high intelligence has much bearing on leading a happy life.

I would sit in a chair and think all day if I could.

Life is a videogame but sometimes the save points have long distances and long pauses between knowing where to look and what to do.

Be simplistic and true to your heart in it. I think it cares more that you have heart consciousness than brain and intellect or religion to navigate through it.

The one videogame I was most good at was about being a Jedi.

Somehow I unlocked a secret dialogue that never appeared ever again.

I think it was because it lasted maybe 20 exchanges deep and at a rapid pace.

 

[Puffy]

Intelligence isn't having answers to things, it's being able to give back and forth. If you don't know, you don't know and that's perfectly fine. No one dies knowing everything in life.

What's better, having one single good friend or all the knowledge in the world, but you live on a deserted island?

I think it is called internal generation.

People can do the back-and-forth thing inside their heads with themselves.

This generates what comes out.

It is not that I want to know a specific answer, it is just that it would be nice if I could sit at home with a pen and paper and generate ideas by myself.

Every time I come home with nothing to do I feel sad. That is why I spend all my time doing research because I have no internal creativity.

Without some kind of instant feedback I could not do anything, I spent many hours at home trying to learn programming and math but I could not get as far as other persons. I did not have the tools or the mentality to understand at times what I was doing. It took 13 years to complete one computer program. That to me is unsustainable. But what else am I supposed to do?

I can and do now understand the brain and intelligence but it is an uphill battle to know what I am supposed to do with this information and experience I gained.

I suppose you can envision someone who would be more intelligent in a different context for reasons like motivation, but I would think someone who can allow themselves to not be defined by their environment is the bottom requirement for intelligence.

So autonomy is a component of intelligence. Not in a social hierarchy way.

The only thing I do is write research papers, but not for anyone but myself. I do not know what to do with them. I share them with people I think would like to read them but it will take time before I have money to pay my mom to drive me to the university. I will not attend I just want to find out if any groups exist I can talk to.

Agree with the general sentiment, I'm not sure that high intelligence has much bearing on leading a happy life.

I would sit in a chair and think all day if I could.

Life is a videogame but sometimes the save points have long distances and long pauses between knowing where to look and what to do.

Be simplistic and true to your heart in it. I think it cares more that you have heart consciousness than brain and intellect or religion to navigate through it.

The one videogame I was most good at was about being a Jedi.

Somehow I unlocked a secret dialogue that never appeared ever again.

I think it was because it lasted maybe 20 exchanges deep and at a rapid pace.

I guess what I mean is, if you could sit in a chair and think all day, or have a partner and lots of friends who love you and value you for who you are what would you choose?

I feel what you’re saying is closer to that you experience a disability that makes you unhappy rather than having high intelligence would make someone happy.

 

[Black Rose]

I guess what I mean is, if you could sit in a chair and think all day, or have a partner and lots of friends who love you and value you for who you are what would you choose?

I feel what you’re saying is closer to that you experience a disability that makes you unhappy rather than having high intelligence would make someone happy.

love is good

mental block is hard to handle

the flow state is where I want to be at

 

[Old Things]

I used to think a lot more about intelligence when I thought there was a possibility I was smart. But I am just a little above average, which is fine. The thing I want more of is self-improvement and being able to set goals and do the right thing (morally).

 

[sushi]

 

[Black Rose]

I used to think a lot more about intelligence when I thought there was a possibility I was smart. But I am just a little above average, which is fine. The thing I want more of is self-improvement and being able to set goals and do the right thing (morally).

On the tests you took their statistical importance has been over-exaggerated.

You have very high intrapersonal and kinesthetic intelligence.

You are very practical also.

 

[Black Rose]

@sushi

My spatial IQ is 125 there about.

William James Sidis actual spatial IQ was 170.

He gave a lecture about the fourth dimension when 11 years old at a university.

But he was not 250 to 300 IQ because mathematically IQs above 200 are impossible.

People said to be above 200 like Marilyn von Savant and Terence Tao are actually in the 160's.

 

[sushi]

to me its how many average brains equal your brain

then you are far away from the 100 and standard deviation

i am probably 1 and 2 average brains at most

newton is probably like 3 or more average brains= his brain

 

[Black Rose]

to me its how many average brains equal your brain

then you are far away from the 100 and standard deviation

i am probably 1 and 2 average brains at most

newton is probably like 3 or more average brains= his brain

145 = 4 brains
130 = 3 brains
115 = 2 brains
100 = 1 brain
85 = half of a brain
70 = quarter of a brain
55 = an eighth of a brain

 

[birdsnestfern]

Intelligence as a human is too compartmentalized. Actual intelligence is having access to the WHOLE system. Humans can't have that. And neither can a computer, since it is trained entirely on what humans know and compartmentalized.

 

[Black Rose]

Intelligence as a human is too compartmentalized. Actual intelligence is having access to the WHOLE system. Humans can't have that. And neither can a computer, since it is trained entirely on what humans know and compartmentalized.

In 2009 I saw Tom Campbell's videos on the larger consciousness system.

Different realities exist in probability space, very interesting.

 

[birdsnestfern]

They say magical thinking is closer to the actual truth of how the universe REALLY works. Which is partly why faith and prayers work. Its the belief, even if that sounds preposterous to some.

 

[Old Things]

You have very high intrapersonal and kinesthetic intelligence.

You are very practical also.

Sorry to sound skeptical, but what makes you say this?

 

[Black Rose]

You have very high intrapersonal and kinesthetic intelligence.

You are very practical also.

Sorry to sound skeptical, but what makes you say this?

You work out and have deep thoughts, specifically, your insights from the bible happen to be extensive. not many people I know, know that much about it and that requires deep reflection.

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

They say magical thinking is closer to the actual truth

we live in a magical fairytale kingdom with a divine yet humble god king whose love for us is infinite. he became flesh and died to rescue us from the enslavement of this fallen evil realm. many are blinded to this truth by the matrix of lies which satan has woven around them with the sorcery of science and the witchcraft of art. the news is fake, history is fake, everywhere the deception/distraction is thick and everything is backwards; invert the world to know the truth

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. John 10:9

Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered? But thus saith the Lord, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children. Isaiah 49:24-25

 

[Puffy]

I really like this dude. I think it takes major balls to have genius level intellect and be like I'm going to live an anonymous life because fuckit being intelligent doesn't make me happy.

 

[Black Rose]

I really like this dude. I think it takes major balls to have genius level intellect and be like I'm going to live an anonymous life because fuckit being intelligent doesn't make me happy.

Intelligence makes life easier on the whole.

Meaning that you do not make as many mistakes.

This is not immune to luck or circumstance but overall the big problems go away.

Happiness is more about contentment with things as they are than a state of joy.

So it is about life being as you wish it to be which has often been seen as associated with intelligence but it is not the same as it.

I think I stopped being happy when I was 12.

I have what is called the need for cognition.

But no one around me would talk to me so I became depressed beyond 12 years old.

That made things difficult because I was unable to solve the really hard problems in my life.

This is because I was not super smart or average.

I only had a limited scope of the world.

And autonomy was not part of what I wanted in life.

The issue with me was I had no peer group or mentorship.

That was what made me unable to know what to do in life.

 

[Black Rose]

Writing to IQ Estimator

Estimates the IQ of a person using a sample of a text they wrote.

www.writingtoiq.com

I put the opening text of this thread into the estimated and it said my IQ was 131

Writing to IQ Estimator

Please paste a sample text containing at least 50 words, then click the button below to let the algorithm analyze it.

© WritingToIQ.com
Estimated IQ: 131 (genius)

If the button doesn't work, refresh the page or shorten the text and try again.

About:
How does this work?
The algorithm cleans up the inputted text and then attempts to analyze the quality of the vocabulary used. It then maps that information to an IQ value, using a custom-made function that was designed to fit data of texts and the IQs of the authors behind them.

How accurate is the algorithm?
As accurate as one would expect such an algorithm to be. As "proof" I have run the algorithm on a few examples, and you can see that the results aren't surprising (nor should they be).

Stephen Hawking, using his last paper as the sample, achieves an IQ of 151.

Alexander Hamilton, using Federalist paper number 6 as the written sample, achieves an IQ of 166.

Testing different CNN reporters using their articles, I got IQs ranging from 102 to 127.

Testing different 5G-coronavirus conspiracy theorists using posts from one of their Facebook groups, I got IQs ranging from 75 to 89.

How can I measure myself?

The algorithm assumes that when writing the text, the author put thought behind every sentence he wrote. Furthermore, it assumes that the author didn't purposefully attempt to dumb himself down and is sufficiently fluent in English as to not be restricted in his choice of words. Ideally, you should paste in a paper, article or another document that you have written and are proud of. Note that the algorithm is meant to be equivalent to an IQ test for adults, so if you are under 18 the result will likely be significantly lower than your true IQ score.

If you don't possess a text fitting the requirements, you can attempt to answer the following prompt to create one: describe one way in which the world will be different 30 years in the future and explain your reasoning to the best of your ability.

Note that you can use a spell checker.

© WritingToIQ.com 2024 — all rights reserved.

 

[scorpiomover]

Intelligence is hard to define, I have been trying to understand it for a very long time.

It's a general term that lots of people use. It doesn't matter what you think you mean by it. The only real consequence is the way the word changes reality, i.e. how people treat people who are intelligent, and how people treat people who are not intelligent.

Generally, people trust the decisions and arguments of those they consider to be very intelligent. Likewise, they decide who is intelligent in an informal fashion, based on the quality of the decisions and arguments of individuals.

This thus defines intelligence, the general quality of one's reasoning.

So far what I thought intelligence was about is taking in information and simulating all possible outcomes yet one part was missing, perceptual memory. What happens is that we take in a 3D world we perceive and we remember things putting them together inside our heads with memories of what we have in front of us to solve problems. So first we perceive then we recognize the problem then we combine what we know with our perception. Thinking begins with perception then memory then simulating possible solutions.

When I realized this it became more clear what was needed to formulate intelligence. Intelligence is about the chucking process in retrieval and storage in memory. This means working memory is the chunk former in and out of long-term memory. IQ begins with a value but this value is used to calculate the number of chucks a person can retrieve and compare all at once and then store.

Sounds like you are trying to replace "quality" with "chunking". Different words. Ultimately, is there really much of a difference?

 

[scorpiomover]

What matters is that in perception a person is thinking about the subject by comparing all the data in short-term memory to long-term memory. This is different from the manipulation happening in working memory. A person's working memory can only do so much, it is like a calculator but it is not all of intelligence.

For the brain calculator to be integrated into the equation we must do this:

Perception = ((IQ - 65)/5)^3

Caluclation = (IQ - 65)/5

IQ = (P/(C^2))*5 + 65

My IQ would then be,

128 = ((201.6/16))*5 + 65

This means that what I can keep track of is about 4 things at once and what I can calculate is 200 things at once in perception. Putting two and two together is hard for me but it makes more sense to divide things into perception and calculation. Long-term storage is when current perceptions are stored after thinking.

I'm not sure that your formula is true. Did you prove it using logic? Did you test it thoroughly using repeated experimentation? Did you get 20 people, find out their IQs, and then ask them to conduct some experiments where they have to keep track of lots of objects, and you measure and write down how many objects they were able to track correctly at once?

I have to wonder. You've estimated your IQ as 128, when 120 is the average IQ of scientists, which would make you more intelligent than the majority of scientists.

Yet you claim that you're stupid and can't do programming, when these days, lots of scientists do programming and even many ordinary people do some programming.

So I wonder if your formula is correct.

Besides this we can say that IQ 200 is equivalent to this:

200 = (19,683/729)*5 + 65

This means a person can perceive about 20 thousand objects in space and track about 27 thoughts or chunks at once that these perceptions bring up from long-term memory. The average 100-IQ person can handle 7 chunks and perceive 343 things at any given moment. The brain is not always symmetrical in how it does this so many times one will be above or below the other.

A person with a symmetrical IQ of 105 can assimilate around 512 objects in space but can compare 64 of them at the same time. The number of comparisons possible is squared by working memory and 54 squares exist on a Rubik's cube. C squared is working memory.

The point is that this scale is absolute.

What matters is that intelligence is about getting information in and out.

This ability called "intelligence" has everything to do with the resolution of comparison.

It sounds like you are talking about something that could be programmed into a computer with current technology, as if you believe that humans have figured out exactly how the brain works and already have the technology to replicate all of the thinking of humans in a silicon-based computer, an Artificial Intelligence, so to speak.

But I have to question that, as if scientists already understood how people think, they would understand perfectly how you think, and thus how to reprogram you and others so that you no longer have anxieties or other mental issues. I don't see you and millions of others with depression and anxiety being cured any time soon.

I have reasoned out certain things myself. So I believe that it's possible. But then, that would mean that either scientists don't know what I know, or they do, can heal you, but choose not to, because they want people like you to remain incapable and unhappy.

 

[Black Rose]

I have psychosomatic pain in my head and it feels like I am twisting inside there, but my psychiatrist is a government psychiatrist, meaning she does not do advanced stuff where IQ 145 stuff which in a distribution is one in one thousand people in a sample size of intelligent people. All those people are hired by rich organizations to do other things besides health-related research.

I have seen the way videogames are for years now, that is the same level of advancement they have in medicine but my insurance won't pay for it. They could do gene screenings, they could give me neurotropics, I could have a balanced diet but t would need to be paid for. Only rich people can afford that and not everyone is putting money into helping poor people at the moment.

The science exists but then for economic, political, and logistic reasons, not everyone has access. Resource management requires people to cooperate but not everyone is on the same level playing field. My computer can do a trillion calculations a second and the latest computer can do a petaflop. But I cannot use it because I have no tools. If I had software tools I could but in life, I was brought up on welfare checks in a trailer park and other such things where no one wanted to instruct me on the concepts of how things worked. My dad was not part of any computer guild, he smoked cigarettes and I have not seen him since 6 years old. My mom is intellectually disabled and after graduating I got depressed they put me on disability and I stayed in my apartment doing nothing for 2 years.

I tried to do factor analysis on some of the things I was doing yesterday but no tools showed up on Google. And no instructions exist step by step on how to do it. When I searched factor analysis for dummies it gave me complicated stuff for experts, not dummies where I can use my own data to make graphs. I don't need examples I need to use my data. I don't need toy problems and I don't need to build a spaceship. I just need step by step. No such tools are available on Google.

 

[Black Rose]

I wonder if your formula is correct.

I found this chart on the digit span of a person concerning IQ in Jan 2023

That means every 5 IQ points increases a person's memory by 1 item in memory.

IQ 100 is average for remembering 7 numbers so my equation follows the same curve, a person with an IQ of 70 can remember 1 number. 75 can remember 2, 80 can remember 3, and 85 can remember 4 numbers.

All I did was square it for visual intelligence and cube it for spatial intelligence.

But I had to make a different equation because people do not always have the same span, visual, or spatial intelligence.

For example, my digit span is 4, and my visual output IQ is 85 yet my spatial is 135.

So input and output are not the same. I divide it into perception and calculation.

Span in = 4 (IQ 85)
Span out = 14 (IQ 135)

(135-85)/2)+100 = IQ 125

Vision in = 14^2 (200)(135)
Vision out = 4^2 (16)(85)

Spatial in = 14^3 (2,744)(135)
Spatial out = 4^3 (64)(85)

That is why the relationship between perception and span works.

Perception in visual-spatial in = ((IQ - 65)/5)^3

200

Caluclation span out = (IQ - 65)/5

4

IQ = (P/(C^2))*5 + 65

128

 

[Black Rose]

If the average adult age for drawing ability is 18 I draw faces as well as an 11-year-old.

(11/18)-1 = -0.38

the correlation between drawing and IQ is 0.2 at 14 years old

(((-0.38 * 0.2)+1) * 100 = 92

meaning my face drawing IQ is 92

digit span of 5 is IQ 90 meaning visual output is 5 squared which is 25

 

[Black Rose]

error in post 33

Spatial in = ((IQ – 65)/5)^3

2,744

Perception in visual in = ((IQ – 65)/5)^2

200

Caluclation span out = (IQ – 65)/5

4

IQ = (S/P)*5 + 65

Visual-spatial = 133

IQ = (P/(C^2))*5 + 65

Visual Calculations 128

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Face Drawing IQ = (Vision in / Span out)+65

79 = (200/14)+65

 

[Black Rose]

Sound IQ 4D

Sound is a mix of spatial and language production.

This is represented in the 2nd and 4th dimensions.

Span is the constant of any dimension.

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Sonic(visual-spatial)Perception

SP = ((((Vision span -7)^3 * (Sound span)^2)) / (Vision Span)^4)+100


Sound Span = 7

Vision Span = 7


100 = ((((0 * 49) / 2,401)*1)+100


Sound Span = 14

Vision Span = 14


IQ 143 = ((((343 * 49) / 38,416)*100)+100

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Sonic production = ((((Vision Span)^3 / (Sound Span)^2)-7)*5)+100

100 = (((343 / 49)-7)+100

 

[Black Rose]

Sonic(visual-spatial)Perception

SP = ((((Vision span -7)^3 * (Sound span)^2)) / (Vision Span)^4)*100)+100

Sonic production = ((((Vision Span)^3 / (Sound Span)^2)-7)*5)+100

 

[ZenRaiden]

All those people are hired by rich organizations to do other things besides health-related research.

No they are not. You have all kind of general notions that don't correspond to reality.
Lack of real experience is the key problem here.
I know people with IQ 140+ who did ordinary teaching jobs, regular people who do regular jobs.
In fact if you ask gifted people many of whom at least at some point in life did ordinary jobs, non thinking jobs, etc.
I would not be surprised if intelligent people do even jobs like cutting grass, or taking out trash.
Not everyone who is with high IQ wants to climb ladder of hierarchy or is necessarily elitist.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
The idea that IQ clusters people around certain jobs comes from research, and it makes sense that you hire smarter people to do smarter things.
Should not lead to conclusions IQ leads to everyone in higher position is with high IQ to begin with.

 

[Black Rose]

@ZenRaiden

What you believe is factually wrong.

The reason not everyone at a high level of IQ is trying to help everyone else is because that is not their job. scopiomovers point is that all problems should be solved by now because all high IQ people are working together to do so? You're not making a case for anything relevant to that notion.

 

[ZenRaiden]

What you believe is factually wrong.

Nope. Its a fact. Because you know those people exist. At least point out where I am wrong?

 

[Black Rose]

point out where I am wrong?

You deviated from the conversation.

no, not all high-IQ people are working together on medical stuff.

no, the solutions are not evenly distributed because they don't work on the same problems together, it is not some conspiracy to hide medical advancements from me.

 

[ZenRaiden]

You deviated from the conversation.

no, not all high-IQ people are working together on medical stuff.

no, the solutions are not evenly distributed because they don't work on the same problems together, it is not some conspiracy to hide medical advancements from me.

Well my response was to the part, where you think IQ people are some band of special people that work on special projects, which is true as long as its true, but mainly if you meet ordinary people you'll find lots of high IQ people all around in any walk of life.
IQ is not something that is written on your forehead.
So it does not look like anything.
It could be a hobbo a mail man, a nurse, a random space cadet, a whatever......

 

[Black Rose]

Well my response was to the part, where you think IQ people are some band of special people that work on special projects, which is true as long as its true, but mainly if you meet ordinary people you'll find lots of high IQ people all around in any walk of life.

If you are taking the position of scopiomover you believe all high IQ people work together to hide medical advancements from me and everyone else.

I never said all high-IQ people are in the medical field or any other field.

My position was that there is no conspiracy because not all of them are in the same field of research.

IQ is not something that is written on your forehead.
So it does not look like anything.
It could be a hobbo a mail man, a nurse, a random space cadet, a whatever......

That is what it means to have a random distribution among the general population.

 

[Black Rose]

People think that just because some people understand the brain and how to fix some problems, ALL problems would be fixed by now and the reason they are not is because of some conspiracy.

This does not make sense.

They do not understand resource management or mass psycholgy.

 

[Black Rose]

We did not have video games like Mario brothers in 1762, it must be a conspiracy of people keeping videogames away from the masses?

 

[Black Rose]

Not everyone can land on the moon for cheap.

Not everyone wants to go there wasting resources.

Not everyone is smart enough to build rockets.

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It is all about economic and technological feasibility.

We had no mass adoption of touch-phones until 2007 with iPhone.

It was not a conspiracy, it was about mass adoption and labor production.

Standard Computers only did 100 billion calculations at that time.

When the technology is available in mass is when it is feasible not sooner.

 

[Black Rose]

Complete IQ Formula

what can be remembered short term < what can be perceived

short term memory + what is perceived = fluid intelligence

span = n(1. 2.. 3…)

short term memory = n^1

vision perception = n^2

spatial perception = n^3

sonic perception = n^4

IQ =

(

((((memory span – 7)*5)/100)+1)

*

(((spatial span -7)^3 * (vision span)^2)) / (sonic span)^4))

) * 100

) + 100

memory span = IQ 85

sonic span = IQ 135

vision span = IQ 135

spatial span = IQ 120

128 = (((0.85) * ((64 * 196) / 38,416)) * 100) + 100

128 = ((((((4 – 7)*5)/100)+1) * (((11 – 7)^3 * (14)^2) / (14)^4)) * 100) + 100

 

[Black Rose]

A true Zero Point for IQ​

IQ has often been seen as flawed because it is just a statistical measure of a relative construct. It does not put a real number on a concrete amount of intelligence. But using my new formula I discovered that we can put a number to it with an absolute zero point. My formula has all aspects of intelligence being made in spatial dimensions. Having the highest dimension of intelligence is the fourth dimension as a quantity. The brain is a network but it operates in space and time so it should be looked at from that perspective. So given a symmetrical constant x we should get a number based on the relationship between dimensions.

It is possible to go beyond IQ 200 this is not limited to a bell curve but is still limited by exponential growth. This is because the medium value of memory is 7 items at a time at the lowest dimension.

IQ 0 = ((((((4.2454 – 7)*5)/100)+1) * (((4.2454 – 7)^3 * (4.2454)^2) / (4.2454 )^4)) * 100) + 100

IQ 1 = ((((((4.2521 – 7)*5)/100)+1) * (((4.2521 – 7)^3 * (4.2521)^2) / (4.2521 )^4)) * 100) + 100

–

my IQ

128 = ((((((x – 7)*5)/100)+1) * (((x – 7)^3 * (x)^2) / (x)^4)) * 100) + 100

x = 9.8802

memory span = 9.8802^1(9)
sonic span = 9.8802^2(97)
vision span = 9.8802^2(97)
spatial span = 9.8802^3(964)
fluid intelligence = 9.8802^4(9,529)

–

0 = 4.2454
50 = 4.6848
100 = 7
150 = 10.630
200 = 11.831

–

n = IQ 1

memory span = 4.2521^1(7)
sonic span = 4.2521^2(18)
vision span = 4.2521^2(18)
spatial span = 4.2521^3(76)
fluid intelligence = 4.2521^4(326)

n = IQ 100

memory span = 7^1(7)
sonic span = 7^2(49)
vision span = 7^2(49)
spatial span = 7^3(343)
fluid intelligence = 7^4(2,401)

n = IQ 200

memory span = 11.831^1(12)
sonic span = 11.831^2(140)
vision span = 11.831^2(140)
spatial span = 11.831^3(1,656)
fluid intelligence = 11.831^4(19,592)

 

[ZenRaiden]

IQ math logic pattern
IQ when measured measures symptoms of the mind, that is its acuity.

IQ uses only parts of mind.
Those parts are not the whole mind.
Most parts of the mind are off when using IQ.

So most of the mind is unused when we are using to solve for IQ puzzles.

One might ask, what else is there?

It is almost like defining the intellect of humans by how big and strong and nimble is their thumb on their hand.

When we look at whole hand we realize each finger does something.

We look at the thumb and we call it intellect, or IQ or intelligence.

 

[scorpiomover]

IQ math logic pattern
IQ when measured measures symptoms of the mind, that is its acuity.

IQ uses only parts of mind.
Those parts are not the whole mind.
Most parts of the mind are off when using IQ.

So most of the mind is unused when we are using to solve for IQ puzzles.

One might ask, what else is there?

It is almost like defining the intellect of humans by how big and strong and nimble is their thumb on their hand.

When we look at whole hand we realize each finger does something.

We look at the thumb and we call it intellect, or IQ or intelligence.

IQ was invented in the early 20th Century, while the Industrial Revolution was still big, and you still had the class system. Thanks to the Industrial Revolution, you could hire workers and build factories easily enough. But coming up with a new industrial process that would solve your problems, was really tough. So what was really needed, was a way of finding the super-smart people who could solve difficult puzzles, like how to make a new chemical that could capture photographs quickly, how to make electrical devices broadcast and receive images, how to make fast cars, and things like that.

Nowadays, with fast internet, fast jet planes, mass immigration, huge corporations like Google and other things, there seems to be no shortage of people applying for the high-paying jobs. So it's probably not that hard to find lots of smart people who are willing to do those sorts of jobs.

But what seems to be very uncommon these days, are basic skills like practical sense, common sense, the skill of talking to people and putting them at ease, and things like that. I've even heard that some employers had to spend 2 years before they found a decent employee, for jobs that definitely didn't require a rocket scientist.

So nowadays, it seems to me that employers are struggling to find employees with other skills, far more than they are struggling to find employees with high IQs.

So nowadays, those other skills seem to matter more.