What do you value?

[nearfantastica]

As the title says. What are your highest values? What is important to you?

 

[TheScornedReflex]

I value intelligence and the most important thing to me is my mind.

*Sits down with the rest of the class*

 

[BigApplePi]

Having reasonable access to oil so I can operate smoothly without too many snags.

 

[John_Mann]

I only value logic. Logic is the measure of all my values.

 

[BigApplePi]

Having enough data to be able to choose premises which I can adequately value to carry out actions of value.

 

[r4ch3l]

I only value logic. Logic is the measure of all my values.

What does logic mean?

I value authenticity, especially when cornered and questioned. For me authenticity means a willingness to think on the spot combined with vulnerability and being open to being wrong and answering questions (does not = pushover in the least).

(i.e. never saying "just because"; whys that result in further whys are answered to the most reduced and honest place they can go.)

I value money because it is congruent with both social power and personal freedom.

 

[John_Mann]

What does logic mean?

I value authenticity, especially when cornered and questioned. For me authenticity means a willingness to think on the spot combined with vulnerability and being open to being wrong and answering questions (does not = pushover in the least).

(i.e. never saying "just because"; whys that result in further whys are answered to the most reduced and honest place they can go.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

 

[r4ch3l]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_logic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_incompleteness_theorems

 

[Hadoblado]

I value innovation above pretty much all else.

 

[Absurdity]

Creativity, good books, dependable friends, brunettes, red wine, whiskey (unless I have too much), wanderlust, libraries, overcast weather, rhythmic prose, snowfall, the occasional cigarette, and moments of sublime beauty that jar you out of the everyday routine.

 

[Brontosaurie]

non-violence and conquest


simplicity and transcendence

 

[Analyzer]

cooperation and understanding

 

[BigApplePi]

What does logic mean?

I read that link. Not too hard to remove the apparent contradiction. Don't have to worry about Godel as one can add definition refinements which fix things up.

 

[doncarlzone]

I value self awareness, intellectual perceptiveness and vulnerability.

 

[Brontosaurie]

vulnerability

hmm

isn't that just a possible symptom of honesty?

 

[doncarlzone]

hmm

isn't that just a possible symptom of honesty?

To give you an example of the type of vulnerability I value, let's say a gay guy has been pretended to be straight for years. That person may already accept his own sexuality (self awareness). Now imagine if that person has to come out to his friends that he has been lying to for years. The moment he comes out his emotions would screaming against what he is about to do and his heart would be pumping and most likely he would physically shaking.

It is easy to be honest about things you are not insecure about.

I think INTPs in general have issues with this. I know for sure that I have.

 

[Brontosaurie]

To give you an example of the type of vulnerability I value, let's say a gay guy has been pretended to be straight for years. That person may already accept his own sexuality (self awareness). Now imagine if that person has to come out to his friends that he has been lying to for years. The moment he comes out his emotions would screaming against what he is about to do and his heart would be pumping and most likely he would physically shaking.

It is easy to be honest about things you are not insecure about.

I think INTPs in general have issues with this. I know for sure that I have.

i agree that vulnerability is a good compass, but i think it can be easily reduced to honesty, in terms of the underlying value, as desirable vulnerability always coexists with honesty. vulnerability is not a value in itself, that is.

maybe i misunderstand. perhaps vulnerability requires honesty.

 

[doncarlzone]

i agree that vulnerability is a good compass, but i think it can be easily reduced to honesty, in terms of the underlying value, as desirable vulnerability always coexists with honesty. vulnerability is not a value in itself, that is.

maybe i misunderstand. perhaps vulnerability requires honesty.

You're right and it is almost impossible to define values in just a few words. I could punch holes the other values I outlined too. I'd argue that honesty is not a value in itself either.

 

[Brontosaurie]

You're right and it is almost impossible to define values in just a few words. I could punch holes the other values I outlined too. I'd argue that honesty is not a value in itself either.

nah probably not. =)

just had to poke the easy-poked one. however, vulnerability is a very beautiful thing regardless of its status in an order of values.

 

[Cherry Cola]

I only value logic. Logic is the measure of all my values.

Set within set.

Fail.

 

[BigApplePi]

Vulnerabilty? Honesty? Interesting what you two guys have asked are values. Off hand I'd say vulnerability is not a value unless one decides whether of not to place oneself in that position. ???

Honesty being a matter of choice must be a value. I suppose the answer would be context. I am older than most you guys but hadn't revealed that until lately fearing bias. That was dishonest of me if I was being deceptive. I decided the hell with it and posted my age when asked. That means I will have to find out the value of that.

 

[doncarlzone]

Vulnerabilty? Honesty? Interesting what you two guys have asked are values. Off hand I'd say vulnerability is not a value unless one decides whether of not to place oneself in that position. ???

Honesty being a matter of choice must be a value. I suppose the answer would be context. I am older than most you guys but hadn't revealed that until lately fearing bias. That was dishonest of me if I was being deceptive. I decided the hell with it and posted my age when asked. That means I will have to find out the value of that.

So what age are we talking about? Do you have bladder issues?

Anyway, I applaud the fact that you disclosed your age.
Now your list of deceptions is that much shorter although I'm sure the list is infinite due to our emotional nature. However, I am open to the possibility that this is just an immature thought of mine. I'm only 23.

 

[Smooch]

I value perfection and utopia.

 

[BigApplePi]

I value the high point of the normal curve and how the wings are spread out.
https://www.google.com/search?q=nor...ticle%2Fhypothesis-testing-the-basics;600;450

 

[own8ge]

To be at peace.

 

[Duxwing]

In general: logic, theory, hypothesis, concision, soundness, validity, consistency, completeness, inner peace, outer peace, material security.

In myself and others: intelligence, mastery, competence, skill, speed, rationality, cleverness, kindness to and care for others, integrity, honesty, fairness

-Duxwing

 

[BigApplePi]

To find stimulation when urges can't reach quiescence.

 

[BigApplePi]

To find simplicity in the face of complications which tear one apart.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Spaceships

 

[Polaris]

I really have no idea any more.

There are many things I value. I just don't know how strongly I value them, and whether I'll change my mind next week.

I had a good conversation with someone and realised how much I value good conversation.

The outcome of this conversation was my conclusion that I base my values upon factual findings; if something is true, I can sort of appreciate it....until proven otherwise. The rabbit-hole question then arises inevitably: what is truth?

Argh.

So I must keep an open mind, I have to reassess my values constantly as the nature of that particular truth may change, depending on the variables.

It just gets more and more complicated from there

So....for the moment I must admit I felt rather drawn to the things Absurdity listed. The brunettes, inclusive. I do like snow and open fires. And books. And mountains.

Edit: How could I forget cats...... ^..^

 

[Puffy]

Creativity, good books, dependable friends, brunettes, red wine, whiskey (unless I have too much), wanderlust, libraries, overcast weather, rhythmic prose, snowfall, the occasional cigarette, and moments of sublime beauty that jar you out of the everyday routine.

So....for the moment I must admit I felt rather drawn to the things Absurdity listed. The brunettes, inclusive. I do like snow and open fires. And books. And mountains.

Edit: How could I forget cats...... ^..^

Bimbo they say, ignoramus they say, no one ever appreciates the long golden curls! (first time I have used this smiley *squeeeee* )

Ooo, yes... good long walks. Mountains. Forests. Cities and busy streets. Very much appreciate, to the point of not being able to function without.

Echo good books, art, creativity, sublimity & the symbolic. Self-awareness and authenticity is very important to me, can't stand homogenisation - good conversation in company one feels recognised in.

Sufficient privacy, a space one can call one's own... Free time to study in said space...

 

[Ink]

in one word: freedom

 

[kvothe27]

I value cognitive, physical, and emotional health. I also value wisdom, reason, abstractions, creativity, and empathy.

 

[Magus]

Consistency.

Idealisation but only when accompanied with humility.

 

[EvilBlitz]

To strive continuously for improvement in our intellectual and ethical understanding and its promotion in the individual and society.

To have no fear to express oneself, as you see fit with honest conviction.

To be able to reason for ones beliefs.

Consistency in the application of beliefs is important, or if you change, change for greater understanding.

 

[RaBind]

I value ability in people. I have respect for clear thinkers.
I value freedom in society.

 

[Jennywocky]

I value self awareness, intellectual perceptiveness and vulnerability.

hmm

isn't that just a possible symptom of honesty?

To give you an example of the type of vulnerability I value, let's say a gay guy has been pretended to be straight for years. That person may already accept his own sexuality (self awareness). Now imagine if that person has to come out to his friends that he has been lying to for years. The moment he comes out his emotions would screaming against what he is about to do and his heart would be pumping and most likely he would physically shaking.

It is easy to be honest about things you are not insecure about.

I think INTPs in general have issues with this. I know for sure that I have.

i agree that vulnerability is a good compass, but i think it can be easily reduced to honesty, in terms of the underlying value, as desirable vulnerability always coexists with honesty. vulnerability is not a value in itself, that is.

maybe i misunderstand. perhaps vulnerability requires honesty.

You're right and it is almost impossible to define values in just a few words. I could punch holes the other values I outlined too. I'd argue that honesty is not a value in itself either.

nah probably not. =)

just had to poke the easy-poked one. however, vulnerability is a very beautiful thing regardless of its status in an order of values.

In general, my thought is that vulnerability needs honesty (you can't really be vulnerable as a "virtue" -- only really as a weakness -- unless you can honestly face what's going with a situation), but that it's more directly related to "courage".

Basically, you know what something will cost you, and it WILL cost you or put you at horrible risk, but you choose to do or say it anyway and leave yourself vulnerable. You're putting yourself at risk for a reason.

Then again, is courage the main virtue, or is it conviction?

 

[BigApplePi]

I value having things to do which make improvements, small or large. I don't mind completing them 50 to 95 percent, never perfectly so I will always have something to do should I return to them.

 

[Brontosaurie]

i agree that vulnerability is a good compass, but i think it can be easily reduced to honesty, in terms of the underlying value, as desirable vulnerability always coexists with honesty. vulnerability is not a value in itself, that is.

maybe i misunderstand. perhaps vulnerability requires honesty.

want to edit but too late

i mixed up vulnerability and honesty in the last sentence.

 

[ApostateAbe]

As the title says. What are your highest values? What is important to you?

I value knowledge of theoretical reality above everything else. I don't think I ever had a choice, and I don't see how it can possibly change short of death or severe brain damage.

 

[BigApplePi]

I value balance in all things, with the exception of perhaps teeter-totters. For example the ability to exercise freedom with an awareness of restrictions. But not too much balance else one is not making a statement.

I'm fond of theory over practice though as actually it is thinking about balance. I value life over death as there is more to occupy one's mind.

I now am wondering whether values can be organized. What way? Right now that is beyond me. Can you do it?

 

[Palaver]

I very much value honesty and sincerety.

 

[doncarlzone]

In general, my thought is that vulnerability needs honesty (you can't really be vulnerable as a "virtue" -- only really as a weakness -- unless you can honestly face what's going with a situation), but that it's more directly related to "courage".

Basically, you know what something will cost you, and it WILL cost you or put you at horrible risk, but you choose to do or say it anyway and leave yourself vulnerable. You're putting yourself at risk for a reason.

Then again, is courage the main virtue, or is it conviction?

I think you're right that it was courage I was looking for and not vulnerability. Courage is so misused though, especially by politicians and PR in general. What is often being subjectively perceived as courageous, I often find is done in a desperate attempt to get acknowledgement.

Here is the first line from wiki:
Courage is the ability and willingness to confront fear, pain, danger, uncertainty, or intimidation

I think we can safely conclude that a virtue can never be defined in one word. There are books written about the word virtue too.

 

[eagor]

solitude so i can mull over all my new info, and my computer so my body has something to do while i mull things over.

 

[birdsnestfern]

I highly value natural earth and planet related things. Rocks, Mountains, Gems, Nature, clean lakes, rivers, ocean and air. Ideal is to have lovely lakes and rivers that you can fish and swim in and even drink from without fear of whats in them. And clean farmland for growing foods, and rivers full of salmon and trout and orchards of every kind. So, open space and earth related things. The concept that the earth is alive and the universe is conscious. Plants, Animals, Water, Mountains, Rocks, and Safety and Shelter, Learning, Growth, Freedom to chose. Good food, desserts, movies, beautiful wood grain like tiger oak, birdseye maple, the era of the 17 and 1800's, hugs, love, conversation, feeling good, a little discipline like 30 minutes of exersize is ok. I do value a beautiful sporty luxury car and all that went into making it and its ability to take you places. Redwood trees and Pacific Northwest. Free spirited types.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Spiritually I value anything that expands our consciousness and horizons, and our ability to be in touch with more than mere sum of its parts.

Intellectually I value the ability to connect the dots, but in depth and novel ways, with reason, sense, and logic.

Emotionally I value passion, intensity, subtle nature of things as well as ability to be bored and strong willed and stubborn, ( I am also like that, but I don't mind others being that way). I also value emotions that I myself often don't have ergo those who see and feel things differently I guess. I also value people who have sense of humor that is not cookie cutter forced on me, but rather unique and not formal, like stand up or just saying a joke as they remember it.

Pragmatically I value nature, and technology, and wit as well as unique experiences.

I think my values are pretty standard for this day and age.
I guess they stem from common experiences we all have these days.

In specific I value my own time now, where I get to explore my nutty brain and emotions which are new to me. Few months ago I felt still a relief in suicidal ideas, because they gave me relief from my hell mind.
But the more clarity I get, the more I am OK with my crazy mind and I feel like the more connected to emotions I am the easier life gets.

Most of all I want to live a free life, where I am not chained down in a job I hate, or in relationships that limit me to a predictable life.
So I value unique experiences all in all. Not necessarily for sake of uniqueness, but for sake of novelty.

 

[Hourglass]

-Life, living, and the ability to “be” as a an individual
-The concept of “will” and “choice [enter something reasonably universal from an existentialist-deterministic discussion]

I had some thoughts around things like “intelligence” and “advancement” and then shuddered at the thought of how those things play out in association with societal exemplars of those today