What ACTUAL benefits has science gotten us?

[Artsu Tharaz]

Like, I'll make some revolutionary science theory if you guys want, but what is the point of that exactly?

Surely I do just as much good for the world sitting in my room drinking bourbon and smoking?

 

[QuickTwist]

I actually like this question.

Like I actually feel technology does more harm than good. That's my .02.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

I actually like this question.

Like I actually feel technology does more harm than good. That's my .02.

I feel it makes little difference either way... like, it's just a projection of our own thoughts.

Drinking and smoking makes me think! xD

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Like, even if I get a perfect answer from this thread, and I find out whether I should devote my life to solving the Einstein equation or whatever shit these scientists have put out for us, then we're back to square one anyway.

So just like, do what you want, or something like that? Idk lol xD

 

[Cognisant]

Technology isn't a religion, we don't need converts.

Your mass will be put to use sooner or later

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Technology isn't a religion, we don't need converts.

Your mass will be put to use sooner or later

So... what are you saying?

Get drunk and shit-post?

 

[Haim]

internet,anime,games,programming,game programming,fast travel,computers/software/hardware,TV,movies/shows,instant communication(phone,WhatsApp..),the slow destruction of uncreative nonintellectual jobs.
The rise and the fall of power/government structure.

The world has no "good",you have, making a world where you don't have to do boring work it worth it in my eyes, well not for me personally to do it(making science theory) but overall(I like to study the world, but spending a lifetime so that I might discover something about it doesn't sound interesting)
Inventions are more instant, and does sound interesting to me(by Inventions I also mean software).

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

internet,anime,games,programming,game programming,fast travel,computers/software/hardware,TV,movies/shows,instant communication(phone,WhatsApp..),the slow destruction of uncreative nonintellectual jobs.
The rise and the fall of power/government structure.

The world has no "good",you have, making a world where you don't have to do boring work it worth it in my eyes, well not for me personally to do it(making science theory) but overall(I like to study the world, but spending a lifetime so that I might discover something about it doesn't sound interesting)
Inventions are more instant, and does sound interesting to me(by Inventions I also mean software).

I play: Pokemon! I think this is the best of all you mentioned, right?

So you like to be creative? You can be creative without anything "scientific", or be creative with it too. What difference does it make?

We could talk in person, and play complex board games...?

What does science do for us?!!!!

 

[intp_xp]

Everything. Because other than sitting (which certain aspects could be explained by science), things you mentioned and the associated things to those things you mentioned may not be possible without. Unless you are specifically referring to a small subset of science or science defined as anything at all.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Alright, so far the main contender is: Pokemon.

After hundreds of years of science, we now have the crowning achievement of: Pokemon.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Alright, this post is a beacon to all so-called scientists out in the world today.

Send me some voodoo science messages while I sleep to help me understand the purpose of science, like why it is even worth doing at all, and maybe I will solve the gravity problem or something like that, maybe like just tell me some science problem to solve and why it is worth solving and I will have a crack at it.

thums up lol

 

[intp_xp]

Personally, I'd like to see a way to transport objects from one point to another that doesn't require moving the whole distance but a shortcut of sorts.

 

[Tannhauser]

It's just one of humanity's pursuits. What is the value of science if all you care about is being a dull, intoxicated slug? Not much. It all depends on your sense of aesthetics.

But indeed, in the end, there will be two kinds of people: those who know science, and those who live as servants to those people.

 

[Analyzer]

Mechanics. Science in it's applied form provides humans variation of means to achieve whatever chosen ends they desire. Perhaps some are more useful than others, but this valuation is subjective to the individual and their own cultural milieu. You don't necessarily need an improvement of technological systems to create better communication, get of rid superstitions such as government/religion, or organize societies. It's just sometimes it's more effective and easier given the conditions one finds themselves in. Science in itself provides humanity understanding of the physical world.

I would say art, in it's general sense, provides humanity the "most benefits".

 

[Brontosaurie]

None of us would even be here if it wasn't for everything, ever - including science.

Very imprecise thinking admittedly.

 

[Black Rose]

Gnosis is Power

Learning is its own reward​

https://youtu.be/SjNM4eItNRA

 

[del]

It's an adaptive mechanism, like anything else. Along with life-prolonging benefits (medicine, sanitation, civil engineering), it has allowed us to exploit our resources more efficiently and out-compete other species. Hunting and gathering supports something like 1 person per kilometer, modern farming with the benefit of science supports over 1,000 people per kilometer.

 

[Grayman]

Alright, this post is a beacon to all so-called scientists out in the world today.

Send me some voodoo science messages while I sleep to help me understand the purpose of science, like why it is even worth doing at all, and maybe I will solve the gravity problem or something like that, maybe like just tell me some science problem to solve and why it is worth solving and I will have a crack at it.

thums up lol

Is this question stemming from nihilist views or are you unaware that science is supported by a group of people who value truth and objectivity. Science isn't only about discovery but also about seeing reality for what it truly and really is. Science does not give meaning to things but it does afford the Opportunity for individuals to see the more accurate and plausible truth so that we can assign our own meaning to that truth.

 

[intp_xp]

None of us would even be here if it wasn't for everything, ever - including science.

Very imprecise thinking admittedly.

Yup, details are better left to someone else, not me, I just paint broad strokes and wait to see what sticks. Either way, that is why I included the "or" since I wasn't sure where he was going with the question. I didn't want to get in chicken/egg debate.

 

[QuickTwist]

Is this question stemming from nihilist views or are you unaware that science is supported by a group of people who value truth and objectivity. Science isn't only about discovery but also about seeing reality for what it truly and really is. Science does not give meaning to things but it does afford the Opportunity for individuals to see the more accurate and plausible truth so that we can assign our own meaning to that truth.

Science is only one avenue to judge which is truth or not. If one is to devote themselves to science but neglect everything else it creates dilemmas that science cannot fix.

 

[Grayman]

Science is only one avenue to judge which is truth or not. If one is to devote themselves to science but neglect everything else it creates dilemmas that science cannot fix.

Science doesn't determine where you look for the truth. It only determines how you determine that it is true with reality. Are you referring to subjective truths? Science cannot provide meaning to things, that is a personal venture. Is that what you mean by avenues?

..I think science can help discover what a persons or people already regard as meaningful. Psychology, for example can help in self discovery and provide the knowlege and tools in which to achieve happiness.

 

[QuickTwist]

Science doesn't determine where you look for the truth. It only determines how you determine that it is true with reality. Are you referring to subjective truths? Science cannot provide meaning to things, that is a personal venture. Is that what you mean by avenues?

yeah, you get what I am saying. I am saying science cannot provide worth to things.

 

[Tannhauser]

Science is only one avenue to judge which is truth or not. If one is to devote themselves to science but neglect everything else it creates dilemmas that science cannot fix.

Meaning, if you don't invent narratives for yourself outside that which cannot be proven, then you might feel some discomfort -- the raison d'etre of all religion and other perversions.

 

[QuickTwist]

Meaning, if you don't invent narratives for yourself outside that which cannot be proven, then you might feel some discomfort -- the raison d'etre of all religion and other perversions.

Somewhat, yes, but beyond that you have to know what is important to you. If you don't know what is important to you you are left with an empty identity. Never underestimate knowing yourself.

 

[Tannhauser]

Somewhat, yes, but beyond that you have to know what is important to you. If you don't know what is important to you you are left with an empty identity. Never underestimate knowing yourself.

I don't see how that requires alternative avenues. That which cannot be proven but is necessary to determine, can be synthetically decided.

That, btw, relieves you of the need to use such lofty terms as "truth" about stuff which doesn't have truth values.

 

[QuickTwist]

I don't see how that requires alternative avenues. That which cannot be proven but is necessary to determine, can be synthetically decided.

I don't mind a minimalist approach, but that is not what I am arguing. I am arguing being aware of yourself. I don't believe there is a synthetic approach to knowing yourself and I don't think it is a scientific endeavor either. I think knowing yourself takes time and effort, just as having empathy for others takes time and effort to get an adequate understanding of. Knowing yourself is having empathy for yourself. You can know intellectually the importance of understanding of the world, but if you do not have that same outlook toward yourself and your wants and needs, you become a shell. Even a workhorse needs something for its efforts. We are the same as this. If we do not pay attention to things that may be intangible by scientific standards that person will never know fulfillment and will continually be in a perpetual need to achieve without taking the time to realize their accomplishments.

 

[Black Rose]

values are not values unless you know you have them. science is not just empirical. without a subject nothing is knowable i.e. science is unknowable without a subject.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

alright, well my dream had something to do with spongebob

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

i'll keep trying to solve the gravity problem though because it will probably help me get laid

 

[Grayman]

i'll keep trying to solve the gravity problem though because it will probably help me get laid

Teachers these days have interesting incentive programs for their students. Oh, well at least you are learning.

 

[Haim]

I play: Pokemon! I think this is the best of all you mentioned, right?

So you like to be creative? You can be creative without anything "scientific", or be creative with it too. What difference does it make?

Making a freaking new worlds and controlling them is far cry from only thinking or drawing on the sand or something, more than that my very long goal is to build tools which help me better express myself(well I am already doing it today)
Game development allow me to take many different ways to create into one, programming,software development,game design,graphic design,animation ,sound,interactive story,learning,teaching,world building,QA,people thing,communication(feedback,explaining what you are making/want to make) and any another human skill and knowledge you can think off.

We could talk in person, and play complex board games...?

What does science do for us?!!!!

Or I can do both.
Board games are belonging to the old meaning of the word "games", there are video games which are not the same, they are "game worlds", places where you go, some of them don't really have meaningful game design "rules" or the usual goals of a game, such as minecraft.
Having a card in a game that say "you assassinated the guards captain" is nothing like my experience of actually assassinating him in Oblivion, that while I was about to kill him suddenly a bug occurred that made all the guards attack him.
Both are probable fun but not the same kind of fun.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

ok, so it turns out that the mythology of the old civilisations was actually even better than pokemon

so the crowning achievement of science is now: spongebob

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

so i think that means that all of these people doing science are just trying to make a better tv show than spongebob. something like that, anyway