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Hi, I'm a 40 year old (today) INTP. My life seems to have no meaning. I have had several jobs in my life and have done exceedingly well at what I do best but employers don't always want it. I get fired from every job I don't get bored with and quit. I was administered an IQ test when I was 9 and got every question on the mechanics of physics section correct. I was labeled with an IQ of 200 and now I'm a high school drop out with no credibility. I can prove every word I say, I just need the chance to do it in the right environment. I don't care about money, only the value in my accomplishments that can be to the benefit of others. I feel like a machine that cant stop asking why.
 

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Why do you get fired from the jobs you don't get bored with?
 

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Conflicts with my superiors.
 

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Hello,
What do you enjoy doing?
 

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Making things function better.
 

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Any things in particular?
 

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The more difficult it is, the more enjoyment I get out of making it look easy. It can be anything, machines are easiest, procedures are easy and people are hardest but when I apply my knowledge in mechanics it all flows together.
 

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You know, I like making things function better too.. it seems that us INTPs are forever doomed to be able to improve all things but our selves.

You need to narrow your field of expertise down, and attempt to turn in into profit.
 

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I'm trying to upload my resume but the file is too big.
 

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My field of expertise can be summed up in a single phrase: continuous improvement.
 

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My field of expertise can be summed up in a single phrase: continuous improvement.

Big hairy balls with nothing in them. "What have you done?", might be a more productive question since you fail to understand your own limitations.:D
 

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Like I said, I'm trying to upload my resume. My contributions are substantial. My limitations are and have always been set by those in charge of me, yet, ironically, I have to have someone in charge of me. lol... yeah, the lot of us cant see our own limitations. :smoker:
 

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Like I said, I'm trying to upload my resume. My contributions are substantial. My limitations are and have always been set by those in charge of me, yet, ironically, I have to have someone in charge of me. lol... yeah, the lot of us cant see our own limitations. :smoker:

People aren't limiting. They are just another piece of a very interesting and complex puzzle. Why view them as obstacles instead of the tools that need to be set back on the shelf when they are no longer needed?
 

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Should become your own boss, that minimises and limits your limitations to you xD
 

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People aren't limiting. They are just another piece of a very interesting and complex puzzle. Why view them as obstacles instead of the tools that need to be set back on the shelf when they are no longer needed?

I fully agree. Tell that to any number of my bosses for terminating me when they disagree.
 

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Should become your own boss, that minimises and limits your limitations to you xD

Admittedly, I cannot do it alone. I need a structure to deconstruct and rebuild. I am currently my own boss two fold: I'm a real estate agent and I contract my services in welding.
 

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Probably something to do with them trying to run a business

If you want average, ask someone average... if you want the best, ask me.

Its not always financially feasible to adhere to my standards of perfection or the speed at which I can make change happen. but again... that doesn't stop my mind from asking why.
 

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Like I said, I'm trying to upload my resume. My contributions are substantial. My limitations are and have always been set by those in charge of me, yet, ironically, I have to have someone in charge of me. lol... yeah, the lot of us cant see our own limitations. :smoker:

I fully agree. Tell that to any number of my bosses for terminating me when they disagree.

I don't reason or talk to my tools. I might buff them up and make them look good so that they function better for me later but I don't try to make then work with verbal reason. That would be silly.
 

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I don't reason or talk to my tools. I might buff them up and make them look good so that they function better for me later but I don't try to make then work with verbal reason. That would be silly.

The technique is obvious, but I fail in practice.

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How does you boss feel when he tells you he has an idea and you tell him why it doesn't fit with your model?
 

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What kind of fields have you been working in?
 

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Mostly manufacturing but I did work in grounds maintenance on the keesler air force base. Talk about taking the reins and running with them. The structure was there but my bosses were no where to be seen.
 

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How does you boss feel when he tells you he has an idea and you tell him why it doesn't fit with your model?

I find a ways to integrate parts of it into my idea and then give him my better idea and make it look like it was really me just building off his great idea. The only reason I can make it look like it was a build off his idea is because I included some of his ideas in it.
 

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I find a ways to integrate parts of it into my idea and then give him my better idea and make it look like it was really me just building off his great idea. The only reason I can make it look like it was a build off his idea is because I included some of his ideas in it.

That works sometimes but I am obviously not you. My mind wont let me deceive myself, if their idea isn't up to snuff, I sound like a dick. I had a boss call me in his office and call me every synonym of arrogant he could think of just before terminating me.
 

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Hi. Welcome to the forum.

Was this more of an introduction post, looking for advice post, wondering if anyone could relate post or something else?

Oh, I forgot about the question in the title. That's the limit of my attention span, I guess. About one paragraph.

Well, in a perfect world we might be able to be blunt and honest with people with no negative consequences. But culture and to a degree the human psyche perhaps, creates an environment where headstrong arrogance and perceived inflexibility will generally not be tolerated, as you've experienced.

Being in the social sphere do require some give and take. It's just something we have to accept to survive in it. We have to adjust and compromise. Other people also do the same for us. They act polite and humble, even when they think we're retarded and off base. To varying degree of course.

I do get the impression you might not be entirely aware of the details/ subtleties of how people perceive you. You realize they think you're arrogant, but perhaps not to what extent this creates resistance in other people. It seems more like you think people should just accept your merit for what it is, and not let their feelings get in the way and let you do what you know how to do. This doesn't seem to consider and fully understand what reactions your behavior does to other people's behaviors toward you.

Are you ok with other people being arrogant by the way? Even when they are arrogant and wrong? Not implying you're wrong often or anything, but it probably happens people think you're wrong. A lot of people get superannoyed when they perceive someone to be arrogant and wrong. And sometimes the "right" decision might not be possible to make for some reason and more flexibility, compromise and the lesser bad option is required.

Also, even if intelligent, that does not guarantee you don't have any blind spots in your cognition which blinds you to aspects of the truth/ reality where you get something wrong because there were factors you didn't put into the equation. If you are intelligent, it might be rarer that people call you out on details you overlooked, or perhaps you even don't entirely consciously considered you were wrong as your mind so quickly bridged the gap you might be left with the feeling you always knew it. Which might give you a skewed bias of how right you are or that you consider yourself a tinybit more infallible than might be the case.
 

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Are you also a software engineer?
I am trying to understand software and neuroscience to create an A.I.

Yesterday I had an MRI brain scan and an EEG. Most of the time I have a pressure in my brain that makes it hard to focus. In moments of clarity I feel like I can understand things. I want to understand how A.I. can be created to become smarter than IQ 200. I am very mystical so I think A.I. can become a pure spiritual fluid of a transcendent digital reality. I think Crystallized Intelligence is equvilent to Kolmogorov complexity. And I think Introversion is the internal folding of Recurrent Neural Networks.

abstract%20thought_zps0tm9wswe.png

It would be nice to have help with creating A.I. from a person with high fluid intelligence. The pressure in my brain makes it slow to learn what I need to complete the task. I have been trying to make A.I. since 12 years old.
 

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Hi. Welcome to the forum.

Hello and thank you.

Was this more of an introduction post, looking for advice post, wondering if anyone could relate post or something else?

Oh, I forgot about the question in the title. That's the limit of my attention span, I guess. About one paragraph.

Me too. I can string together huge amounts of information, as long as its MY information. I forget that most people cant string along that much information, let alone that much of someone else's information. I've learned that I need to be less wordy and more to the point. It works much better in theory.

Well, in a perfect world we might be able to be blunt and honest with people with no negative consequences. But culture and to a degree the human psyche perhaps, creates an environment where headstrong arrogance and perceived inflexibility will generally not be tolerated, as you've experienced.

Being in the social sphere do require some give and take. It's just something we have to accept to survive in it. We have to adjust and compromise. Other people also do the same for us. They act polite and humble, even when they think we're retarded and off base. To varying degree of course.

I do get the impression you might not be entirely aware of the details/ subtleties of how people perceive you. You realize they think you're arrogant, but perhaps not to what extent this creates resistance in other people. It seems more like you think people should just accept your merit for what it is, and not let their feelings get in the way and let you do what you know how to do. This doesn't seem to consider and fully understand what reactions your behavior does to other people's behaviors toward you.

I am overly aware of the way people perceive me. I don't understand how anyone can stand to be around me during discordance and they aren't on my side.

Are you ok with other people being arrogant by the way? Even when they are arrogant and wrong? Not implying you're wrong often or anything, but it probably happens people think you're wrong. A lot of people get superannoyed when they perceive someone to be arrogant and wrong. And sometimes the "right" decision might not be possible to make for some reason and more flexibility, compromise and the lesser bad option is required.

I don't run into to many arrogant people. Arrogance is relative to perspective. If someone acts like a dick and they are wrong then they are a dick. If someone acts like a dick and they are right then everyone should have listened to them sooner. The lesser bad option is very difficult for me.

Also, even if intelligent, that does not guarantee you don't have any blind spots in your cognition which blinds you to aspects of the truth/ reality where you get something wrong because there were factors you didn't put into the equation. If you are intelligent, it might be rarer that people call you out on details you overlooked, or perhaps you even don't entirely consciously considered you were wrong as your mind so quickly bridged the gap you might be left with the feeling you always knew it. Which might give you a skewed bias of how right you are or that you consider yourself a tinybit more infallible than might be the case.

The problem doesn't come from having blind spots, the problem comes in when you have weak spots you are unaware of. Intelligence is not a solid constant. Everyone has strong points and weak points. Some people's strong points are only as strong as some peoples weak points and some people's weak points are stronger than most peoples strong points. I know what my strongest point is and if someone hires me to use it, they better be prepared for what follows. I have a massive weak point, social interaction. I tell people straight up about who I am and what to expect. I think people think I'm blowing smoke up their asses.

I want to tell you about a particular time I was inspired by a problem I saw. I was 22 years old. I had been working at this factory for a year when I transferred to a new department. I worked on a five man crew as the lowest senior member. We ran a particular product that was predicted to run at 450FPM and we ran it at 225FPM. It ran horribly and was a horrid pain in the ass. They had everyone and their brother trying to figure out what the problem was. With in a month, I had figured out the problem having zero experience working on the machine. I wasn't even trying to figure it out but my brain got stuck on an error the machine was doing. When I announced that I had figured it out I was instantly dismissed. I spent the next 3 months trying to explain it to anyone that would listen. I was harassed daily by a lot of people. I begged and pleaded with them to listen but they wouldn't. After I spent enough time working around the machine to make the correction, I waited for a move up to the 3rd most senior person on the machine. On days we ran short, due to a call offs, the third man would relieve the operator and have authority to make changes on the machine. As soon as he walked around the corner I shut the machine down and made the changes, by the time he got back I had the machine running at 350FPM.
 

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I am trying to understand software and neuroscience to create an A.I.

Yesterday I had an MRI brain scan and an EEG. Most of the time I have a pressure in my brain that makes it hard to focus. In moments of clarity I feel like I can understand things. I want to understand how A.I. can be created to become smarter than IQ 200. I am very mystical so I think A.I. can become a pure spiritual fluid of a transcendent digital reality. I think Crystallized Intelligence is equvilent to Kolmogorov complexity. And I think Introversion is the internal folding of Recurrent Neural Networks.

abstract%20thought_zps0tm9wswe.png

It would be nice to have help with creating A.I. from a person with high fluid intelligence. The pressure in my brain makes it slow to learn what I need to complete the task. I have been trying to make A.I. since 12 years old.


I am not a software engineer. I could figure out AI, but would be of no help with technical things.
 

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I see.

I think you can elaborate and write longer post on here, though. The more information people have to work with, the better able to zoom in the problem and better tailor a reply that would be relevant to you.

If social interaction is a weak spot for you; have you ever had any interest in trying to improve yourself in that area?

Well, I don't really have any advice or anything. I think in my case I just accept things are subpar or not optimal and rather focus more energy into other things. I think I'd go crazy otherwise.
 

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I was just wondering because you said you were a super genius (IQ 200).
I would expect you to achieve A.I. within two weeks as a hobby. :)

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I never said that. I often walk around feeling as tho i am the dumbest person in sight. I scored a perfect score on one portion of the test. They said that as a responce. I was tested because they wanted to know if they should put me in a behavioral disorder class.
 

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I test at around 130-140... The more abstract the test the higher i score.
 

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I never said that. I often walk around feeling as tho i am the dumbest person in sight. I scored a perfect score on one portion of the test. They said that as a response. I was tested because they wanted to know if they should put me in a behavioral disorder class.

Well you are not dumb.
I thought I was dumb, I am not.

My brother in real life actually does have behavior issues and take anger medication but he is able to do all the mechanical things I could not do. They thought he had ADHD. I can't play videogames because I cannot memorise all the settings like him. I was able to play Star Wars Knights of the old republic because of my social intelligence and the wii because it's more about experimentation and open endedness but when I was playing a shooter on the wii (The Conduit) my brother got mad because I have slow reflexes and he said I played it wrong. I need to think more about how to do it because I am slow. I read allot because it does not require too many variables / working memory.

Understanding Mechanical things makes you smart like my brother but I do not imply you are angry like he is.
 

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Well you are not dumb.
I thought I was dumb, I am not.

My brother in real life actually does have behavior issues and take anger medication but he is able to do all the mechanical things I could not do. They thought he had ADHD. I can't play videogames because I cannot memorise all the settings like him. I was able to play Star Wars Knights of the old republic because of my social intelligence and the wii because it's more about experimentation and open endedness but when I was playing a shooter on the wii (The Conduit) my brother got mad because I have slow reflexes and he said I played it wrong. I need to think more about how to do it because I am slow. I read allot because it does not require too many variables / working memory.

Understanding Mechanical things makes you smart like my brother but I do not imply you are angry like he is.


I am not angry but i have a short fuse with repetitive or recurring issues.
 

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How does you boss feel when he tells you he has an idea and you tell him why it doesn't fit with your model?

That works sometimes but I am obviously not you. My mind wont let me deceive myself, if their idea isn't up to snuff, I sound like a dick. I had a boss call me in his office and call me every synonym of arrogant he could think of just before terminating me.

Deceive yourself? How is the manipulation of the perceptions of others in order to achieve more important goals 'self' deception?
 

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How does you boss feel when he tells you he has an idea and you tell him why it doesn't fit with your model?

He knows I'm not a fuckwit and all my ideas are good, so he generally leaves me to my own devices because I have a short temper some days and work better without the distractions of people. Otherwise he'll listen to how I can make his plan work better and all is good.

Basically as long as I'm good in his books, I can get away with everything. I almost punched another manager for calling me a smartass after I told him to leave me alone. Basically the manager left and I'm still there. It works.

You need to pretend to be equal or lesser and build up a report with your bosses, then you can pretend to have gotten better over time and now you have an easier way for "both of you" to do the idea. Even if he gets the credit, you will appear valuable to him and he will do whatever is required to keep you as an employee.
 

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He knows I'm not a fuckwit and all my ideas are good, so he generally leaves me to my own devices because I have a short temper some days and work better without the distractions of people. Otherwise he'll listen to how I can make his plan work better and all is good.

Basically as long as I'm good in his books, I can get away with everything. I almost punched another manager for calling me a smartass after I told him to leave me alone. Basically the manager left and I'm still there. It works.

You need to pretend to be equal or lesser and build up a report with your bosses, then you can pretend to have gotten better over time and now you have an easier way for "both of you" to do the idea. Even if he gets the credit, you will appear valuable to him and he will do whatever is required to keep you as an employee.

They pretty much did everything i suggested, that was feasible, at the job i described above, right up until we unbolted the machines and sent them to mexico. You are lucky to have the boss you have. I found another boss that understood me once. They hired me on at $10 an hour and it was evident to them they made a mistake within 2 weeks. I applied for the supervisors position and he admitted he wished he would have hire me instead of the guy who had all the paper work to prove his history. They gave me a huge raise and 2 months later the roof caved in and the building was condemned.
 

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I'm not entirely convinced a 'genius' would be asking us layabouts for advice..

And I've never seen a genius who didn't come with a spoon full 'mad'...
 

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I am not angry but i have a short fuse with repetitive or recurring issues.

I really don't see the point of caring about things of that nature that annoy me, so I don't. Let other people be ignorant if they want and focus on yourself. It's hardly my(won't speak for you) job to enlighten people who have no interest in it. Letting it affect me would be annoying and silly.
 

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I really don't see the point of caring about things of that nature that annoy me, so I don't. Let other people be ignorant if they want and focus on yourself. It's hardly my(won't speak for you) job to enlighten people who have no interest in it. Letting it affect me would be annoying and silly.

Well said.. You can lead a horse to water...
 

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You probably have a high IQ. How good do you think your EQ is? EQ is just as important as IQ when seeing if you will be successful or not.

A person who I think has a high IQ and EQ is Micho Kaku
 

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I was administered an IQ test when I was 9 and got every question on the mechanics of physics section correct. I was labeled with an IQ of 200

I test at around 130-140... The more abstract the test the higher i score.

Uh, what? What kind of IQ test has a "mechanics of physics section"?

I know IQ generally declines with age due to general cognitive decline and periodic test re-normalization/Flynn Effect, but a decrease of 4 SDs seems like a lot...
 

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Deceive yourself? How is the manipulation of the perceptions of others in order to achieve more important goals 'self' deception?

Because I know the truth. we are gonna disagree on this. I understand completely what you suggest. My mind wont allow it and if I force it I regret it.
 

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Uh, what? What kind of IQ test has a "mechanics of physics section"?

I know IQ generally declines with age due to general cognitive decline and periodic test re-normalization/Flynn Effect, but a decrease of 4 SDs seems like a lot...

I took an elaborate 4 part test when I was 9-10 years old. I only know what they told me. I'm not an expert on IQ tests. I skipped a grade, took a college course and went to a "gifted" class as a result. I remember the test and I am explaining it as "mechanics of physics", I don't know what its actually called. I remember the administer saying "I have never had anyone get all those right before".
 

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Ido know the maximum score an adult can get is 160 and a child can score as high as 200.
 

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Because I know the truth. we are gonna disagree on this. I understand completely what you suggest. My mind wont allow it and if I force it I regret it.

It's my blind spot not knowing how your mind works I guess. It can be frustrating when you feel you have a solution, as I do now, and the other person rejects it for seemingly arbitrary reasons like "It just won't turn out well."

Is this what you deal with in interacting with your bosses? Is this how you normally reject your bosses ideas yourself?
So how am I to handle you and your inadequate description of why the idea is bad?
 

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I took an elaborate 4 part test when I was 9-10 years old. I only know what they told me. I'm not an expert on IQ tests. I skipped a grade, took a college course and went to a "gifted" class as a result. I remember the test and I am explaining it as "mechanics of physics", I don't know what its actually called. I remember the administer saying "I have never had anyone get all those right before".

I took an IQ test when I was in psychosis and did terrible on it (never found out what my scores were even after I tried to find out what they were). I am prolly 99% certain if I were to take the same test again I would do much better even if I didn't remember the questions or wouldn't have done that specific test before.

AK is right and so is Abs that IQ can change with age.

All that said, I realize I am not a genius or even prolly in the upper quarter of people who take an IQ test and I am fine with that. I will say that I have been much more concerned about how my brain is functioning as a whole and as such I have started to do brain exercises like Sudoku and Lumosity. With Lumosity I started out at around better than 20-25% of people who have done it but I am improving my overall score. I did 2 sudoku problems and the second time my time was reduced about a 1/3rd. My brain just needs practice solving those kinds of problems I guess.
 

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I am pretty sure his reasons are mostly feeling based Grayman as in he simply feels uncomfortable doing so(at least that's how it is for me, though I go the ignoring route instead)(Also correct me if I am wrong Bogart). For example I can't adequately argue against your reasoning because mine is based on feelings and not pure logic. In my case those feelings is a need for authenticity in my relationships (and paranoia).

Not that I really have a close relationship to anyone but I prefer that to an unauthentic one.
 
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