Batman's most active role in the community, is hanging around the streets looking for crimes. He's a beat cop, just with a lot more money than a regular beat cop.
There's a lot of problems with that analogy but I'll stick with the most pertinent one, what kind of introvert would want a job where they patrol the streets and deal with people all day?
ISTP car mechanics have to deal with customers. ISTJ accountants have to deal with clients.
Not just run-of-the-mill general Joe public either, a cop's job is to enforce the law and the people committing petty crimes on the streets (where a cop on patrol is likely to catch them) are generally the dregs of society.
To beat cops, they're not people. They're CRIMINALS. Getting them off the streets is doing a public service.
But they also tend to do things in ways that mean other people can follow their example.
He has so many protegees "The Batman" is practically an in-universe franchise.
That's because so many people admire him and want to be LIKE him.
Batman discourages Robin and Batgirl a LOT. It's very clear he doesn't like other people following in his stead.
However, ISTJs have a habit of developing their own methods that work reliably for the tasks they do. As a result, because of that reliability, an ISTJ's methods often seem so reliable, that lots of people want to learn from them, because then they'll also almost always succeed.
As ISTJs have a habit of developing their own methods that work reliably for the tasks they do. it can take a while to learn the methods of the ISTJ. But once you do learn those methods, you now have the same skills as the Batman. So then it seems insane not to put them to use by stopping criminals like Batman does.
So ISTJs tend to attract disciples, who then study with them for a long time, until they're chomping at the bit to get out there and do their stuff.
INTJs also tend to have a somewhat similar effect on people. However, INTJs like the egotism of being "the mastermind". They LIKE to tell people some of their strategies.
When disciples of INTJs establish their own independence, it's usually because of a split, that the INTJ has been so difficult to deal with, that the disciple figures that he's better off incompetent and on his own. At that point, the disciple usually discovers that the INTJ's very high standards have pushed him so much, that even if the INTJ thinks of the disciple as "incompetent", compared to most others in the same field, they're light-years ahead.
Depending on the writer, you see both ISTJ patterns and INTJs patterns between Batman and Robin.
They're also usually pretty good at delegation. E.G. if an ENTJ knows that the weapon to kill the bad guy is made from Kryptonite, and will kill his strongest subordinate (Superman), he'll simply ask someone else who is not affected by Kryptonite (Wonder Woman) to deliver the bullet.
Again this further supports the ENTJ theory.
The reason I mentioned this, is because if Batman had given this one instruction, Superman would not have needed to die and be brought back to life.
However, being an INTJ has nothing to do with intelligence. If it was, then someone exactly like Lex, but who is twice as intelligent as Lex, would be even more of "the man with a plan, who is always two steps ahead" as Lex, but would have a different personality type, and thus NOT be an INTJ.
You lost me, why would an INTJ whose personality is exactly the same as an INTJ not be an INTJ if he's smarter than another INTJ?
If you define an INTJ as being a smart ISTJ, then at what IQ does someone cease being an ISTJ and become an INTJ? 90? 100? 150,000? Whatever that point is, if an ISTJ's IQ has a limit, then so does an INTJ's IQ, and beyond that, the INTJ becomes something else.
The only realistic way to escape those conundrums, is to accept that INTJ or ISTJ is not about IQ. It's about the differences in people of the SAME IQ, and the SAME CAPABILITY, which is what we normally mean by "personality".
American audiences of the 1920s were happy to read about super-villains like Lex being super-intelligent, because they had a genuine fear of people who used their intelligence for personal gain.
This was mainly because most of the people coming to America were usually people who were leaving their homes because they were powerless in their own countries, and where the powerful people in their own country would educated themselves and their children, to use their intelligence to gain the upper hand in those countries, including strategies to ensure the powerless never became educated enough to fight back.
So the Lex Luthor narrative resembled their family's stories about what it was like in "the Old Country".
The first Superman comic wasn't until 1938 and Luthor wasn't in the story until 1940, which still fits your narrative. Certainly Lex is a mad scientists and thus fits within the theme of anti-intellectualism
True.
that has been prevalent since the Luddites of the industrial revolution.
The idea that the anti-intellectuals were Luddites of the industrial revolution, was a prevalent one, because in that time, factory owners, who were the sons of factory owners, and who had been sent to study in university by their parents, were making the children of the factory workers do all sorts of things that today, would be considered on the level of atrocity of war crimes.
They would send the kids of factory workers between working machines to pull out bits of cloth that were gumming up the works of one of the machines. They wouldn't stop all the machines in the same row, because "profits". So the kids had to climb between the machines, AS THE METAL RODS WERE MOVING. Many of the children got struck by those machines. Many had to have limbs amputated. Some died.
In they owned a mine, they would send miners' kids to sit for 14 hours a day by a mine hatch, and open and close the hatch as miners and trolleys of ore would go in and out, while they were in pitch black and in extremely damp conditions.
Lots of the working classes would complain. But if they did, they'd be fired, and replaced with someone else who needed a job. If they refused to let their kid be put in situations where he could have his arms and legs ripped off, the worker would be replaced with someone who was that badly in need of food for for his family, that he figured it would be better than letting his kids starve to death.
That situation changed in the UK, after the French Revolution. The French Revolution sparked off dozens of violent revolts and revolutions all over Europe. The British aristocracy could see the writing on the wall. If they didn't placate the masses, the British aristocracy could have ended up like the French aristocracy, on the guillotine.
That's not to say that idiots are smarter than university graduates. But sometimes, power and money makes some people ignore the basic truths that everyone can see.
But I don't really see the geopolitical angle, despotic leaders in modern times are pretty much just politicians,
Politicians need billions to run campaigns. Or in the USSR, to bribe, blackmail, or bump off, anyone in the party would could help them or block them from getting into power.
Their campaigns were usually funded by interested parties in Big Business, who clubbed their money together, to pay for the candidates' campaigns, under the condition that once they are in government, they will pass or veto some bills that happen to be inconvenient for their campaign funders.
Their investors could run for election themselves. But then if things turn bad for the leader, they're on the hook. If they get a patsy to act as a puppet, then if things turn bad for the leader, they disavow him and get him to be the scapegoat.
As far as most working-class people are concerned, it's not the puppet politicians who are pulling the strings and making their lives a living misery. It's the puppeteers that make the decisions and tell the politicians what to say and do.
they don't tend to get along with scientist
Big business funds political campaigns. Without that funding, a politician is unlikely to have the funds himself to fund such a big political campaign. Big business funds science. If a scientist doesn't get funding, he can't publish in a reputable scientific journal. You don't have to be a genius to figure out that the motivatiosn of modern politicians and the goals of modern scientific research grants run parallel to each other.
If you see them arguing, it's often theatre. When the people believe that scientists fought with politicians and won, they're more likely to believe that the truth won, and thus that they should support those policies to the hilt. Makes government policies seem much more believable, to those who aren't as critical of science and scientists as they are of everyone and everything else.
and often run into trouble when they discover reality isn't as malleable as the people's perception of it. e.g. Chairman Mao and
The Great Chinese Famine.
The devil in politics, is usually in the details. When you're changing the lives of over 500 million people, there are billions of details that could problems for those people.
So you need accurate, reliable, science, the type of science that scientists would bet their lives on, because they're betting the lives of over 500 million people on their theories.
That's the type of science that you see in engineering and in clinical trials, which comes AFTER scientists have published their theories in a scientific journal, and are carried out by engineers and clinicians.
Politicians also need to persuade the members of their party and their people that they are doing the right thing. So scientists also need to advise politicians on how to navigate the minefields of academic politics, something that scientists have to deal with constantly.
That's the type of stuff that PR and marketing companies deal with.
Then again I suppose there's the American Industrialists who (like Elon Musk in the modern day) were keen to drum up the idea that their wealth and success was due to their innovation and brilliance, as opposed to political corruption and the exploitation of workers.
It's both.
If not for Edison funding lots of experiments to make a reliable light bulb, not many people would have bought his light bulbs.
If not for Edison protecting his intellectual property, his competitors would have stolen his invention, and he would have ended up almost broke like Tesla.
INTJs rely on strategy, not technology.
An INTJ is more like Ozymandias in Watchmen: shoot nukes at lots of major cities, and then blame it on someone innocent, to convince the public to band together. It's not very nice what he does to Dr Manhattan, or to the children he nuked. But in Ozymandias' mind, he saves far more children than he kills.
If Ozymandias wished to stop all violent crime in Gotham, he'd probably release lots of murderers out of jail, so they kill so many people, that the people get so outraged that they have a purge on all criminals.
Same thing really that's just more efficient and I could totally see Batman doing it if he were an INTJ and as level-headed as Ozymandias,
If Ozymandias was smart, he would have told Dr Manhattan that the only way to stop humans from killing themselves, was for Dr Manhattan to turn all their nukes into marshmallows, and tell the world that whoever makes a new nuke, will be nuked themselves.
No-one would have even wanted to risk making a nuke, not when you're dealing with someone who can literally change a nuke into a marshmallow, any time he feels like it.
If any country did later on decide to risk it, if Dr Manhattan was not around, then Ozymandias could have easily dropped a nuke on that country, and said that Dr Manhattan did it. No-one would have wanted to take the risk again.
Total collateral damage: the loss of lives from ONE nuke, or none at all.
Total cost to Ozymandias: the cost of ONE nuke, or ZERO dollars.
Total collateral damage from Ozy's plan: millions of lives, from all those nukes he shot.
Total cost to Ozymandias: billions of dollars in trying to hide the truth from Dr Manhattan for ONE second, and the cost of several nukes.
instead he's a goth furry who beats up people to make himself feel better, I seriously doubt he would find any appeal in such an impersonal approach.
Maybe. Another reason why I don't think INTJ suits Batman quite so well.
Frank Castle is an ISTP. If strong emotions appear, hit something, and keep hitting something, until the pain goes away.
Yeah that makes more sense.
I've read him in comic books, and seen him in films. Always comes across as ISTP.
An INTJ superhero is
Dr Niles Caulder, aka The Chief of Doom Patrol. Has a genius-level intellect that he used to make himself very rich. He was employed by a wealthy benefactor to make an immortality serum. Caulder found out out his benefactor was
General Immortus, a really evil dude, and refused to continue his research. Immortus took revenge, by planting a bomb in Caulder's chest. Caulder was able to remove the device, but at the cost of his ability to walk.
In return, Caulder decided to make his own group of super-heroes. However, unlike most groups, Caulder chose a group of real freaks who were completely unable to function in society. He helped them to control their powers, to work for good, but also to ensure that disabled people like Caulder who have super-abilities like his genius intellect, and who had also done bad things in the process of learning to use their abilities, might no longer be seen as "freaks", just as Caulder doubtless would have seen himself.
He keeps his identity secret from everyone, even the entire Doom Patrol (and the readers), until issue #88, an entire year later.
Caulder doesn't like to act directly, even though as a super-genius with lots of amazing inventions, he easily could. He's definitely got the brains and resources to make a flying wheelchair with incredibly weaponry, or a walking chair with 8 arms like Dr Octopus. Instead, he directs the members of Doom Patrol to act according to his plans, preferring to remain behind the scenes.
It can be difficult to find appropriate INTJ superheroes, because so many people like to think of INTJs as Nietzschean Ubermenschen, that anyone who shows above-average competency and above-average intelligence is likely to be typed as an INTJ by some people.
