Ways to "convince" Fi (and all our opposite functions)?

[GYX_Kid]

I've repeatedly ended up at complete opposing ends with people who are most likely SFPs and NTJs, which would make sense in theory I guess.

So what are these functions, in terms of how to reach them and speak their tongue?


Fi- Principled, will tend to "take a side" or stance on an issue and might expect you to as well. Heavy Fi often appears kind yet selective in a particular way; a repressed one might seem to desire inflating its perceived worth (according to its OWN values) at the expense of others.

Since [our] natural Fe can take a while to really get a grasp on ourselves, Fi may be truly alien. Do its users have such a "point of no return" that's such a challenge to recover from, as it seems?

If they've decided that you can't make them feel good anymore. They might cease contact if they've found enough reason to:
have their ego inflated above you (if xxFP and opposite sex)
or that you're impossible to bring down under their ego (if xxTJ)

Perhaps if you can identify an Fi user's values, its secondary or dominant function can be reached to get to it. Like for an ISFP, if you appear to = "leader of self, good guy, and not impossible to process via senses" might be a starting place.


Ni- Complete enigma so far. Unknown black hole of chaos. No fucking clue.


Te- "Thinking mind on the outside" in its immediate environment, is the basic concept made for it. Somewhat easy to convince if you know what "thought" it expects you to manifest as, though can be a pain in the ass if you need to "get in its way." On the other hand, Te respects combat since it understands it, so if you speak your deal concretely and in reality with no backing down, it can be respected with whatever needs to be done to get to that point.


Convincing Se is really simple- just "look like" something. Or give something to see, hear, etc.

 

[BigApplePi]

Excellent Q's.

 

[BigApplePi]

Hidden Functions

I've puzzled about this ever since I couldn't understand what Adymus was saying. How about this as a way an INTP deals with it? I'm not convinced this isn't rationalizing though. Never mind.

I've repeatedly ended up at complete opposing ends with people who are most likely SFPs and NTJs, which would make sense in theory I guess.

So what are these functions, in terms of how to reach them and speak their tongue?


Fi- Principled, will tend to "take a side" or stance on an issue and might expect you to as well. Heavy Fi often appears kind yet selective in a particular way; a repressed one might seem to desire inflating its perceived worth (according to its OWN values) at the expense of others.

Since [our] natural Fe can take a while to really get a grasp on ourselves, Fi may be truly alien. Do its users have such a "point of no return" that's such a challenge to recover from, as it seems?

If they've decided that you can't make them feel good anymore. They might cease contact if they've found enough reason to:
have their ego inflated above you (if xxFP and opposite sex)
or that you're impossible to bring down under their ego (if xxTJ)

Perhaps if you can identify an Fi user's values, its secondary or dominant function can be reached to get to it. Like for an ISFP, if you appear to = "leader of self, good guy, and not impossible to process via senses" might be a starting place.

For an INTP, if someone else's internal emotions grate you the wrong way, Si is used to note the grating and Ti is used to figure out where they're at. Ne & Fe are used to accept it. If you wish to avoid grating them the wrong way, I would think any appreciation (a feeling) would work. That would mean looking looking at what they appreciate by using any INTP functions.

Ni- Complete enigma so far. Unknown black hole of chaos. No fucking clue.

Use Ti & Ne to get that they're coming from unknown, flaky, or creative hypotheses. Knowing arises out of unknowing after a suitable passage of time. One can't always be immersed in the knowing stage. Knowing one doesn't know is the important thing and then go from there.

Te- "Thinking mind on the outside" in its immediate environment, is the basic concept made for it. Somewhat easy to convince if you know what "thought" it expects you to manifest as, though can be a pain in the ass if you need to "get in its way." On the other hand, Te respects combat since it understands it, so if you speak your deal concretely and in reality with no backing down, it can be respected with whatever needs to be done to get to that point.

Use everything (Ti, Ne, Si & Fe) to recognize these are people of action whereas INTPs are interested in the nature of the action, not actually doing the action itself.

Convincing Se is really simple- just "look like" something. Or give something to see, hear, etc.

If these people offer something to enjoy, just lay back and enjoy it (Si). There is no need to promote it yourself especially if they are doing all the work.

I'm just winging this. If you don't agree, terrific.

 

[Words]

"Convince" or simply get on their "good side"?

Fi - Identifying their values certainly seems like the right path. You can ask about those and then pretend to have the same values(a lot of them easily believe), or you can try criticizing their "surface values"(only) and show them how it contradicts to their other core values. Yeah, Ti on Fi.

Ni - just show them a fancy perspective, and maybe they'll respond with another fancy perspective. Compliment their perspective and compliment it hard.

Te - morelike rationality based on subjectively understood external standards. With ENTJ's, you can just keep clashing swords via your TiNe, in a debate or something and you have to win rationally. xSTJ's perhaps require impressive credentials.

Se - you could also allow them to "imagine" something strongly sensory, and do it in a joking way.

 

[Cognisant]

Fi - Charm the person (make them happy) before you address the issue, if they like you and therefore what you to like them too they'll be a lot more accommodating of your perspective, especially if you present it to them in a way that dosen't obviously contradict them. Once your perspective is sufficiently established in their mind you can address the issue as an internal inconsistency of theirs and they'll hopefully correct themself in your favor, although the likelihood of them rejecting it increases if they don't find it emotionally appealing so you may have to sugar coat it.

Wait are we talking about Fi or Fe, meh emotions are emotions either way.

 

[Minuend]

Why would you want to?

 

[GYX_Kid]

Why would you want to?

I'm an explorer.

 

[BigApplePi]

This thread proposes an exciting theme for INTPs because it asks, how can an INTP get along and appreciate those who are different? There are going to be as many answers as there are INTPs and other peoples, yet general ways of recognizing the answers are sought.

 

[tepellian]

"Convince" or simply get on their "good side"?

Fi - Identifying their values certainly seems like the right path. You can ask about those and then pretend to have the same values(a lot of them easily believe), or you can try criticizing their "surface values"(only) and show them how it contradicts to their other core values. Yeah, Ti on Fi.

Ti on Fi - seconded. I use this sort of tactic naturally, trying to get to know their system of values and check it for internal consistency as I go, but it's more challenging when the person's not online. Strong emotions in person turn me off a bit.

 

[GYX_Kid]

Fi - Charm the person (make them happy) before you address the issue, if they like you and therefore what you to like them too they'll be a lot more accommodating of your perspective, especially if you present it to them in a way that dosen't obviously contradict them. Once your perspective is sufficiently established in their mind you can address the issue as an internal inconsistency of theirs and they'll hopefully correct themself in your favor, although the likelihood of them rejecting it increases if they don't find it emotionally appealing so you may have to sugar coat it.

Agree (from general experience).

I guess this is basically about the art of persuasion/advertising/seduction/etc. Fi is more of a candidate for this, because of the way in which it "belongs"...I didn't describe that as well as possible

Although for TJs, they have some protection from being tried on in the beginning since I and a lot of people would rather...eat....a worm, than kiss their ass beyond a point (IF we're talking extreme sugar-coating to cater to intolerance)

 

[nitemare121]

i too am interested in this subject. i have to find effective ways of reasoning with the people i come across.

i generally combine information gathered on the other personality types with body language reading and linguistic patterns.

for the feeling types i throw in some things that F type friends find interesting/ helpful such as "imagine if a loved one were put in this situation" or some other thing that appeals to their blasted feelings.

 

[BigApplePi]

I've repeatedly ended up at complete opposing ends with people who are most likely SFPs and NTJs, which would make sense in theory I guess.

So what are these functions, in terms of how to reach them and speak their tongue?

I love this thread topic because:

(1) It addresses the meaning of hard to get (for me) CF functions theory
(2) It addresses how to get along with people (hard for me I suppose, lol)

I'm posting this as a note to get back to it.

 

[xbox]

This thread proposes an exciting theme for INTPs because it asks, how can an INTP get along and appreciate those who are different? There are going to be as many answers as there are INTPs and other peoples, yet general ways of recognizing the answers are sought.

or how an INTP can break others down

 

[xbox]

Although for TJs, they have some protection from being tried on in the beginning since I and a lot of people would rather...eat....a worm, than kiss their ass beyond a point (IF we're talking extreme sugar-coating to cater to intolerance)

Yeah *cringe*

I wonder what types would kiss TJ ass?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Yeah *cringe*

I wonder what types would kiss TJ ass?

FJ

Seriously, that's a symptom of low self-esteem. I would think FJs could check TJ behavior and regulate it.