Visualising the world through images

[Rebis]

I want to preface this by saying no, I don't think of everything in images but I do create archetypal images of concepts in my life. Some of these images even supersede the detail in the idea itself such that the image precedes the concept.
Does anyone here use strong visual concepts to model the world?

For example, I took this image recently:

I was listening to this song on the way home:

When the two linked I create a perfect image in my head, one of Ascent (the title of the song). I was walking home from work, it was about midnight. The theme is ascending through sadness, letting go of that which makes you sad initially for the strife that is to follow. All these neurons are firing up in my brain about stepping into the unknown, shaving my crackled porcelain shell with the cold air penetrating my skin, as if the agent of cold rose its antagonist: fire, a burning desire. This sensation linked in "Of Fire and ice" by robert frost in my head:

Fire and Ice

Some say the world will end in fire, Some say in ice. From what I’ve tasted of desire I hold with those who favor fire. But if it had to perish twice, I think I know enough of hate To say that for destruction ice Is also great And would suffice.

www.poetryfoundation.org

So anyways, as this visualization solidifed the image started to change. The view became technologized, I started to image the view was actually an emergent view from reaching the apex of a mountain. This mountain was one where I had to take one step at a time, slowly and carefully. So now this mental image I've created of a forested mountain I have to emerge from to reach this technologized city. This all ties in the model that I've been dealing with which includes separating from the family: Sad at first, but it's not a rush: Slow and steady is the wise approach. To rush up a mountain would exert too much stamina which can be directed to other places. I cannot invest my stamina into ideas such as this, they benefit me in no way asides from satisfying a yearning to be independent. If I rush and isolate myself from the family, it will only cause me to loose my footing ascending the mountain.

Another recent example was when I was talking to @peoplesuck about visualizing the atoms compressing in a star, producing heat. This heat weakens the structure of the individual atoms, causing them to vibrate at high speeds, breaking bonds and accelerating at an unprecedent speed. These pictures become solidified in my head, they become archetypal for a lot of themes in my head: When I think of birth, death, transmutation, formation, Integration, inevitably..... all these themes transcend the definition of the word itself and their meaning is understood through an archetypal image.

I'm sure there are images that people never forget, but does anyone create this grand images inside their head to represent concepts? I have another one where debris orbits a quasar, this for me is used to understand time and inevitability: I can use the quasar debris stream to signify time, I can then use the distance of the stream to the quasar to determine how close the "inevitability" (the subject in question) is close to reaching. I also use it as a way to model my life on this planet: I will die eventually, but the simple fact the point of reference when I think of death is inevitably gravitating towards a quasar with the cosmic colour palette in the background, the idea of death as being a natural process in the world, instead of the death of yourself, you are but a transformative piece of energy being reborn.

 

[Rebis]

The components of the mind are transmuted into material objects.

 

[peoplesuck]

Another recent example was when I was talking to @peoplesuck about visualizing the atoms compressing in a star, producing heat. This heat weakens the structure of the individual atoms, causing them to vibrate at high speeds, breaking bonds and accelerating at an unprecedent speed. These pictures become solidi

Either my memory isnt perfect(it is) or you have been doing too much ketamine.
Stop doing ketamine, we never talked about stars, ya fucking maniac.
I wish we did, would have been romantic <3

 

[Rebis]

Another recent example was when I was talking to @peoplesuck about visualizing the atoms compressing in a star, producing heat. This heat weakens the structure of the individual atoms, causing them to vibrate at high speeds, breaking bonds and accelerating at an unprecedent speed. These pictures become solidi

Either my memory isnt perfect(it is) or you have been doing too much ketamine.
Stop doing ketamine, we never talked about stars, ya fucking maniac.
I wish we did, would have been romantic <3

We did, or at least I did when I was explaining the "GO FUCK YASELF" thing

You need to apply so much pressure on your psyche that you burst free from the shackles you've self-administered. You need to condescence all of this pressure: anxiety, depression, ambition, life-goals, development, vision, anger, frustation as if they were atoms which upon compression heat up: 1,000 degrees, 10,000 degrees, 100,000 degrees, 1,000,000 degrees, 10,000,000 degrees. Picture the formation of this star in your head and hold onto this image, watch this mental video of this blazing sun form until you explode, then make an ultimatum: Do not consider whether it is the best approach, just fucking make the decision and never look back. You cannot see outside of the perception you have created unless you don't put yourself under this immense pressure. Stop thinking about random theories, stop indulging in bitesize entertainment videos. Think singularly, concentrate every god damn ounce of energy you have to focus on this one goal: To become the person you want to be.

 

[peoplesuck]

Ok well that wasnt really about stars, it was a metaphor. Also, I have no fucking clue how your brain works, because mine doesnt do that stuff.

 

[Rebis]

Ok well that wasnt really about stars, it was a metaphor. Also, I have no fucking clue how your brain works, because mine doesnt do that stuff.

Maybe you should try it? I mean I think there are benefits to it. Yeah it was a bit more than a metaphor to me. I'm sure there's some video on YouTube explaining how to visualise concepts.

When the image has formed it doesn't disappear, it rarely changes so less volatility.

Sleeepp. Adios.

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[EndogenousRebel]

I don't feel like I have the right to comment on this exchange as I can't sit here and deeply contemplate what has been written. Whatever I feel like I have something to add.

JP once spoke about what people see in their dreams, and that those who don't believe they will see anything meaningful generally don't. Those that do, do. I've built up some experience in visualizing, and what I will broadly call braingazing (thought about it not too long ago). Basically, if there is something I have a hard time describing something or putting words to a feeling or circumstance I try to visualize it. It's not too different from poetry or art, except it's more personal. Over time things really have become more meaningful to me, to where I feel like it's my brain almost directly communicating with me.

This makes sense because, unless you have some sort of neurological disorder, all your neurons are at least indirectly connected, sending and receiving signals. It is not to hard to believe that your intelligent brain and it's Occipital lobe (20% of it), is capable of intercepting and interpreting these signals into an image that you can see. Jung believed that we are really dreaming all the time, even when we are awake, playing with ideas and concepts. This can be seen plainly in diffused mode thinking where you will suddenly be hit with a lightbulb of an idea. We do not know the nuances of this.

When experienced meditators (which I am, now with assistance from my muse headset) do their thing, this suppresses the sometimes tyrannical frontal lobe and allows for the other parts of the brain to communicate more freely. This can also be achieved via psychedelic drugs. I don't know it's something to think about for sure. JP has also mentioned that people are a bunch of substructures competing for dominance, and I honestly sometimes see that, as I'm sure is obvious when we look at others who contradict themselves and are hypocritical.

The frontal lobe is the boss, and whatever it sees as harmful it will not show you. We only ever get true insight from dreams because it is sleeping, maybe by design. You see the world as a vast expanse and yourself as a free soul to run through it, maybe not completely powerless, but with plenty of potentials. Personally, the image I'm dealing with right now is myself as a bird, who must evade oppressing forces that are unrelenting. Maybe this is a sign I need to be easier on myself, but I am dealing with a couple demons. Ultimately I feel trapped, to always be in a sprint away from danger, to stand my ground is to face overwhelming force. In typing this out, I'm starting to see that I can either run away my entire life, which is no life to live or stand and crumble, at least putting up a fight. But what if my demons are not intent on ending me, but torture? I don't know, but I carry on until I have my plan to move forward.

 

[Black Rose]

As we sleep we dream and remember all f them but think we forget because we have trouble accessing them.

I do not think in terms of vision or sound. I recall an experience differently.
I just know. No shapes no colors, no motion, recall is almost like sleepwalking.
If I remember an image in my subconscious I can find the computer folder it is in.
I remember things via emotion. I feel them out. Much like an invisible 6th sense.

I wish I could see images in my head.
But I would probably have more mental illness problems than I do now.
The reason I lack seeing mental images must be a thin feedback brain junction.

 

[Rebis]

My brain is changing, much more than a subtle one. Images are becoming very strong in my head, that whole walk home I was "blind" in a way, visualizing goals in the future.

Relating to the sobreity thing I came to this realization:

People escape reality, using alcohol and drugs as a vector to relax only displays your incapability to do so normally. I'll start with a metaphor:

Let's say your an architect: The building is your life, the tools are the methodology to create this structure. Alcohol can be percieved as another tool in the toolkit but unfortunately it is not one you can switch in and out at will, the effects of the usage will permeate throughout the building: A shortcut for insulating foam will cause the house to be cold, with the cold temperate moisture leeches into the walls. The structure becomes damp, the moisture turns into mould. The solution to mould isn't permanent, as the house will easily accrue mould as air flow (a result of no air tight insulation) and temperature (regulated solely by the weather instead of insulation). If alcohol relaxes us, maybe we should consider why it does. Why can't we relax normally from sobriety? "Reality is too stressful" If reality is too stressful normally, will the buzz from alcohol permeate to take a toll of this stressful reality? No, because it's short lived. Though you can be guaranteed the hangover will drain you of energy to deal with reality the next day.

All I have, and what the collective of us all individually have is energy.
Energy to create, destroy and manipulate the world (Not the negative association with manipulation, consider it malleability). Alcohol in the form of a hangover sucks this energy from us. It reduces our ability to call upon this energy to make decisions, these decisions could be of grand stature to the escapists but simpler to others who realise the potential of untapped energy under the indulgence of escapeful acts. Escapism is fine, but if you are not where you want to be and these acts of escapism play a significant role in your life consider the time you spent on these tasks as "untapped energy".

I think I may be going to tibet this summer. I haven't promised myself yet though I was very close on my walk home.

Final thoughts to sober living:
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.. "
The mind needs energy to achieve this, it cannot garner this energy through acts of escapism. You forfeit your ability to make the world a hell or heaven, you are subject to these escapist acts.

This is my world.

 

[peoplesuck]

What is your purpose in this life?

 

[Rebis]

What is your purpose in this life?

I can't tell you that, it is truth I can only know in each moment of existence. Purpose is ephemeral, goals not so.

My goal? To find another way. There are still mysteries left. Discovery.

Career is different from this.

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[peoplesuck]

I would say purpose is a goal, the structure of your being.
When I was younger I decided I couldnt live without a purpose, you seem to be honing in on yours. You wish to discover, why though? recognition? What do you wish to discover?
I can relate to that, I want to be at the cutting edge of things, I want to be in a position to figure out the next step.
what are you actually trying to do, overall? Why do you get out of bed in the morning?

I dont know you in the slightest, but I get the feeling you are compensating for something. Do you feel you need to do something major to be valuable?
I think it would be cool to talk to you, you're too difficult to follow through text.

Im bored, prying, curious, and probably wrong about everything too.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

I myself have mentioned stuff that is being discussed. Drivers such as curiosity, and being an architect of one's psyche. I'm so vain.

Honestly, I took it from the story of the three little pigs. It's quite ingenious really, but maybe I'm seeing an allegory that is not there. The pig that is patient and doesn't build his home from the first thing that passes by, but elects for a brick house, a solid foundation is rewarded when the actor, the wolf, doubling as natural disaster and malevolent agent, fails to bring his house down. (though some self-defeating versions have all the pigs okay in the end, maybe that's not quite so bad?) It doesn't contain the scenario where the actor is actively stalking or sieging the place, but hey it's for kids.

Much like buildings that are frequently used will need frequent maintenance so does a mind that is frequently used. A car that only drive 100 miles a year is going to last a lot longer than 100,000 a year. Doing calculations where once the problem is solved you are done with it is easy to dismiss and notice, but it sounds like you are constantly shifting and trying to evolve. Just remember to take it easy every once in a while, and have some zen. It is self-defeating to try to think of a way to relax because your desire to evolve will just make you counter that relaxation, then you need to think of a way to relax even more, and think of a way to do that. Substances are just a distraction from your problems, not solving them, they must be used wisely. At least that is how I see it.

 

[moody]

When experienced meditators (which I am, now with assistance from my muse headset) do their thing, this suppresses the sometimes tyrannical frontal lobe and allows for the other parts of the brain to communicate more freely. This can also be achieved via psychedelic drugs. I don't know it's something to think about for sure. JP has also mentioned that people are a bunch of substructures competing for dominance, and I honestly sometimes see that, as I'm sure is obvious when we look at others who contradict themselves and are hypocritical.

My frontal lobe falls asleep so much...it's a problem. All the sudden, words will stop making sense, and to think and respond, I have to rely on muscle memory, emotive relation to words and noise. I was first tipped off that I did this was in an interaction with a professor (it's a music lesson):

The professor was trying to emphasize/exaggerate the way they wanted me to phrase a section of a piece I was working on, and they did it by singing the passage to the worded instructions. All I thought was that they did the wrong dynamics when singing back the passage....
On reflex, I said "but there's not a crescendo there." They got irritated by me and asked me to repeat what they had instructed me to do, thinking that I was being a smart ass and picking out anything that could be incorrect. I repeated what they told me exactly, but it still didn't click. It was so strange, and I hadn't realized I wasn't comprehending the words until later, when I thought back on the interaction. I realized all I was responding to was tone, facial expression, and body language. It was like my language centers just turned off.

The frontal lobe is the boss, and whatever it sees as harmful it will not show you. We only ever get true insight from dreams because it is sleeping, maybe by design.

Ha. Hahaha....why can't my frontal lobe be a better boss...I've gotten asked if I were high so many times...I never am. It just my brain. My frontal cortex is a lazy-ass. I think my best boss is my basal ganglia. I accomplish things when my body remembers I wanted to do it, so it does it automatically. I just have to let my basal ganglia know before hand, while I'm still more awake....

I remember things via emotion. I feel them out. Much like an invisible 6th sense.

Not a 6th sense. Just very strong situational/information associations with the emotive connotations. It's probably the most developed center your brain has for recall.

People escape reality, using alcohol and drugs as a vector to relax only displays your incapability to do so normally.

Recreational drugs, yes. Prescription drugs are used to get someone grounded more firmly into reality. Like ADHD kids, people with depression or too much anxiety, etc.

Substances are just a distraction from your problems, not solving them, they must be used wisely. At least that is how I see it.

I've heard stories of shrooms working wonders for individuals with chronic depression and/or suicidal thoughts.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

When experienced meditators (which I am, now with assistance from my muse headset) do their thing, this suppresses the sometimes tyrannical frontal lobe and allows for the other parts of the brain to communicate more freely. This can also be achieved via psychedelic drugs. I don't know it's something to think about for sure. JP has also mentioned that people are a bunch of substructures competing for dominance, and I honestly sometimes see that, as I'm sure is obvious when we look at others who contradict themselves and are hypocritical.

My frontal lobe falls asleep so much...it's a problem. All the sudden, words will stop making sense, and to think and respond, I have to rely on muscle memory, emotive relation to words and noise. I was first tipped off that I did this was in an interaction with a professor (it's a music lesson):

The professor was trying to emphasize/exaggerate the way they wanted me to phrase a section of a piece I was working on, and they did it by singing the passage to the worded instructions. All I thought was that they did the wrong dynamics when singing back the passage....
On reflex, I said "but there's not a crescendo there." They got irritated by me and asked me to repeat what they had instructed me to do, thinking that I was being a smart ass and picking out anything that could be incorrect. I repeated what they told me exactly, but it still didn't click. It was so strange, and I hadn't realized I wasn't comprehending the words until later, when I thought back on the interaction. I realized all I was responding to was tone, facial expression, and body language. It was like my language centers just turned off.

The frontal lobe is the boss, and whatever it sees as harmful it will not show you. We only ever get true insight from dreams because it is sleeping, maybe by design.

Ha. Hahaha....why can't my frontal lobe be a better boss...I've gotten asked if I were high so many times...I never am. It just my brain. My frontal cortex is a lazy-ass. I think my best boss is my basal ganglia. I accomplish things when my body remembers I wanted to do it, so it does it automatically. I just have to let my basal ganglia know before hand, while I'm still more awake....

Are you an avid meditator? Honestly, I'm honest with myself, I do this a lot too, call me a prick but sometimes following the train in my head is more interesting, productive, and stimulating than listening to what's going on around me. I am probably mistaken in some way, as this isn't the case in many situations. But yeah, I would think that your brain would rather spend it's resources somewhere else or is lazy? Not being rude is an afterthought to me sometimes.

Substances are just a distraction from your problems, not solving them, they must be used wisely. At least that is how I see it.

I've heard stories of shrooms working wonders for individuals with chronic depression and/or suicidal thoughts.

Yeah, I know what you mean, shrooms are one of the key drugs that silence the suppressing frontal lobe and make the brain more directly communicate with every part of itself. I don't think it is good by virtue, but rather, taking a quote from Einstein here "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Basically it forces you to think about things differently and allows you to see through things like biases and mental blocks. Super useful and safe in a controlled environment.

 

[moody]

Yes.

Sometimes I get a distant, listless feeling that I best describe as the sound of your ears ringing after a bomb drops, there's still a lot of things going on around you, but all you can hear is that high-pitched drone.

The feeling of fullness, purpose and meaning in life is associated with whales in the ocean depths, and the bottom of the ocean. It is the love, pain and oblivion that will always accompany life.

Static is the noise of being consumed; perpetual motion that you found you couldn't stop, and it swallows you whole. ---> Same with this piece:

Cloth means comfort and safety.

Images of amusement parts are associated with a lack of autonomy, having no control over your life.

 

[moody]

Are you an avid meditator? Honestly, I'm honest with myself, I do this a lot too, call me a prick but sometimes following the train in my head is more interesting, productive, and stimulating than listening to what's going on around me. I am probably mistaken in some way, as this isn't the case in many situations. But yeah, I would think that your brain would rather spend it's resources somewhere else or is lazy? Not being rude is an afterthought to me sometimes.

I work on not getting trapped within myself, since that inevitably causes more anxiety and strife. Daydreaming is often a constant, though--takes reminders for me to tell myself to be present than to think. INTPs are often like that, though.

I actually have a neurological autoimmune disorder. I used to think it was laziness, before I got diagnosed.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

I wish I had good speakers that would shroud me in this sound. What a nice way to explain it, I have done ayahuasca before and when I saw imagery that could be described audibly with this. It was pretty overwhelming, I racked my brain to figure out what it was and now you've kinda clarified that for me through words and video. lol thanks, but fuck you. Seriously though such a strong and asserting orchestra is the only thing worthy of defining this absurdly beautiful and sometimes cold world we live.

Everything is the way it is for a reason. But I'm sure it is the building of character and virtue that makes you do it, so I must respect it. I'm almost 22 and have tried to the listening to the content of people's words approach, and I've been unhappy with the results. Probably my own expectations disappointing me however :\

 

[moody]

@EndogenousRebel

It was composed like nine months ago. It’s to raise awareness in earth’s climate crisis. The beginning is like the world prior to materialism or technology, and it is “turned on” when the electronics come in. Throughout the piece, life slowly becomes consumed by our inventions, eventually forming the “automatic earth.” At the end, there are warped echos of what used to be “alive” and the beginning, before everything is overrun and swallowed while at the end.

 

[moody]

@EndogenousRebel

Here is a piece with a similar background story, but completely different sound/style:


This piece is about a dystopia where humanity is extinct, but we had a bunch of robots that did all of our housework, chores, etc. despite no more humans there to be tended to, the robots continue to run their program everyday to no end. That’s why it’s called “like an alter with 9,000 robot attendants.” The piece is the sound of their daily routine.

 

[Rebis]

I would say purpose is a goal, the structure of your being.
When I was younger I decided I couldnt live without a purpose, you seem to be honing in on yours. You wish to discover, why though? recognition? What do you wish to discover?
I can relate to that, I want to be at the cutting edge of things, I want to be in a position to figure out the next step.
what are you actually trying to do, overall? Why do you get out of bed in the morning?

I dont know you in the slightest, but I get the feeling you are compensating for something. Do you feel you need to do something major to be valuable?
I think it would be cool to talk to you, you're too difficult to follow through text.

Im bored, prying, curious, and probably wrong about everything too.

It's pretty simple: The future foundation of our society is technological. The pinnacle of this technological foundation is AI, which will proceed into AGI. I've stated before I wish to contribute to the development of AI, whether it be efficient algorithms, creating better neural models or independent decision making. I wish to discover because that is knowledge which can't be discovered by most AI. It has an AI learns based on datasets so to improve an AIs functionality we must be provide it with a comprehensive data set: Consider computer vision for example: The popular dataset to use for this is ImageNet, it shows about 5,000,000 different images of objects so the computer can identify objects while it's driving around. However a big flaw with these images is angular perception: It doesn't intuitively understand that the object is 3 Dimensions so it would not successfully identify a traffic post taken under the traffic light itself. Infact, it may not even see it as an object which is a bad thing, right? This is essentially what I want to do as a career.

Proceeding this, the reason I wish to contribute to this world is quite simple: Liberation. With a society that's supplemented by AI for monotonous and repetitive tasks we can use our brains for its optimal function: conceptual understanding. We can understand, or at least conjecture why a phenomenon exists based on causality. A lot of AIs do not exhibit intuitive or conceptual understanding, they just understand the phenomenon exists. Conceptual understanding is our greatest ability and should be our focus until (and probably during, to a lesser degree) until AGI becomes a thing.

Let me question you because I hear people give this reasoning a lot: "You're compensating for something." Tell me, why do people assume those that have ambition are naturally compensating for something? Take any old video of a successful person and you'll hear the same lines "Everyone doubted me" "Everyone said I'd fail" "No one believed I could do it". Can people not just have an ambition irrespective of your evaluation of them? I mean if you thought I could do it it wouldn't be me compensating for something trivial like incompetency, but if you thought I could do it you certainly wouldn't call it compensative. I do not think that I will revolutionize the world, I just want to add a drip of knowledge to the overflowing pond of knowledge, that's all.

I think it's quite a disrespectful thing to say given the phrases frequency, I don't take it personally because this chat is about expressing opinions but why is it when someone evaluates themself and decides to better themselves that they are compensating for something? It seems quite an organic process which many adhere to, self-imrpovement isn't exactly rare. When people express compensating it is usually in relation to someone's goal, but that goal is typically underpinned by that person's drive for self-improvement to make the goal easier to attain. We should just see ambition for what it is: a daring move against historical truth.

Just because people do not accept themselves in the moment shouldn't ring alarm bells. If people want to compensate for something, in the sense they see how they can improve themselves and wish to work towards that there is nothing wrong with that. When I think of compensative people it is the ones who're disengenious, like someone that proclaims his penis is so large as he is compensating for his small size. That is something you cannot change with conscious effort so the person has to come to terms with this or they're just compensating for insecurities. Simply put, I do not see much limitations to this world of knowledge other than it takes time. Concepts are quite similar through out all the sciences so it's easy to pick up. Algorithms, programming concepts and logic are all transferable concepts that can be used in all scientific walks of life. When you consider that economics, social sciences, physical sciences, geography and computer sciences are all increasingly relying on the scientific model of mathematical calculations, statistical probability, conditional logic, cause and effect you start to realise that a lot of concepts in seeming disparate fields can intuitively be understood if you have understood the principle logic in another field. Creativity is not as abundant as you think, so while the world may be flooded with content, that content itself isn't complex in the sense it's out of your way, it's just interdiscplinary understanding of these fields may take a while. I'd still say this is fairly achievable, it certainly isn't beyond 99.9% of people's capabilities.

 

[Rebis]

I myself have mentioned stuff that is being discussed. Drivers such as curiosity, and being an architect of one's psyche. I'm so vain.

Honestly, I took it from the story of the three little pigs. It's quite ingenious really, but maybe I'm seeing an allegory that is not there. The pig that is patient and doesn't build his home from the first thing that passes by, but elects for a brick house, a solid foundation is rewarded when the actor, the wolf, doubling as natural disaster and malevolent agent, fails to bring his house down. (though some self-defeating versions have all the pigs okay in the end, maybe that's not quite so bad?) It doesn't contain the scenario where the actor is actively stalking or sieging the place, but hey it's for kids.

Much like buildings that are frequently used will need frequent maintenance so does a mind that is frequently used. A car that only drive 100 miles a year is going to last a lot longer than 100,000 a year. Doing calculations where once the problem is solved you are done with it is easy to dismiss and notice, but it sounds like you are constantly shifting and trying to evolve. Just remember to take it easy every once in a while, and have some zen. It is self-defeating to try to think of a way to relax because your desire to evolve will just make you counter that relaxation, then you need to think of a way to relax even more, and think of a way to do that. Substances are just a distraction from your problems, not solving them, they must be used wisely. At least that is how I see it.

I find relaxation when these evolutions have been realized, I guess that's a happy medium for now. I do have a problem with relaxing normally, it effects everything from socializing without purpose, taking shortcuts to conserve time and even walking to the shop. I think zen is good but we all have a innate desire: To be subsumed by the world (to become one, zen) or to consume (Consciously observe, and change). Zen is not the enlightment I wish to seek as of now, I have many lives ahead of me.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

Images of amusement parts are associated with a lack of autonomy, having no control over your life.

I have dreamt that I was at a carnival before. It was during a point in my life where I was in a pit of despair and was deciding what I was going to do with my life. I thought of it as more of a longing for a simpler time, in youth for example. But yeah I can see that too, it at the time it felt like I had to change, or succumb to life itself.

I find relaxation when these evolutions have been realized, I guess that's a happy medium for now. I do have a problem with relaxing normally, it effects everything from socializing without purpose, taking shortcuts to conserve time and even walking to the shop. I think zen is good but we all have a innate desire: To be subsumed by the world (to become one, zen) or to consume (Consciously observe, and change). Zen is not the enlightment I wish to seek as of now, I have many lives ahead of me.

Haha, this where I would tell you that if you are entirely comfortable than you are doing something wrong. But what do I know about you, some people relish the challenge. I think the idea of becoming 'one' is attractive because it would mean the ultimate support system(s), perfect security. If I understand Nietzsche's ubermensch it is the idea that someone needs not really on such psychological... I guess archetypes is the best word for this. I feel looking at virtue (in an Aristotelian sense) is a better tool that we can use, as it actually seems achievable.

 

[peoplesuck]

It's pretty simple: The future foundation of our society is technological. The pinnacle of this technological foundation is AI, which will proceed into AGI. I've stated before I wish to contribute to the development of AI, whether it be efficient algorithms, creating better neural models or independent decision making. I wish to discover because that is knowledge which can't be discovered by most AI. It has an AI learns based on datasets so to improve an AIs functionality we must be provide it with a comprehensive data set: Consider computer vision for example: The popular dataset to use for this is ImageNet, it shows about 5,000,000 different images of objects so the computer can identify objects while it's driving around. However a big flaw with these images is angular perception: It doesn't intuitively understand that the object is 3 Dimensions so it would not successfully identify a traffic post taken under the traffic light itself. Infact, it may not even see it as an object which is a bad thing, right? This is essentially what I want to do as a career.

Im not sure I understand exactly what you are going to do, I dont know anything about AI, are you saying you want to achieve a more accurate way to represent things, in data?
Literally clueless

Proceeding this, the reason I wish to contribute to this world is quite simple: Liberation. With a society that's supplemented by AI for monotonous and repetitive tasks we can use our brains for its optimal function: conceptual understanding. We can understand, or at least conjecture why a phenomenon exists based on causality. A lot of AIs do not exhibit intuitive or conceptual understanding, they just understand the phenomenon exists. Conceptual understanding is our greatest ability and should be our focus until (and probably during, to a lesser degree) until AGI becomes a thing.

I agree, what do you think the world will look like once AI is developed enough to surpass us? Im not sure how I feel about AGI, I think once AI develops to the point that it surpasses us entirely, we couldnt control it. Im curious to see what it comes up with though.

Let me question you because I hear people give this reasoning a lot: "You're compensating for something." Tell me, why do people assume those that have ambition are naturally compensating for something? Take any old video of a successful person and you'll hear the same lines "Everyone doubted me" "Everyone said I'd fail" "No one believed I could do it". Can people not just have an ambition irrespective of your evaluation of them? I mean if you thought I could do it it wouldn't be me compensating for something trivial like incompetency, but if you thought I could do it you certainly wouldn't call it compensative. I do not think that I will revolutionize the world, I just want to add a drip of knowledge to the overflowing pond of knowledge, that's all.

I think it's quite a disrespectful thing to say given the phrases frequency, I don't take it personally because this chat is about expressing opinions but why is it when someone evaluates themself and decides to better themselves that they are compensating for something? It seems quite an organic process which many adhere to, self-imrpovement isn't exactly rare. When people express compensating it is usually in relation to someone's goal, but that goal is typically underpinned by that person's drive for self-improvement to make the goal easier to attain. We should just see ambition for what it is: a daring move against historical truth.
Just because people do not accept themselves in the moment shouldn't ring alarm bells. If people want to compensate for something, in the sense they see how they can improve themselves and wish to work towards that there is nothing wrong with that. When I think of compensative people it is the ones who're disengenious, like someone that proclaims his penis is so large as he is compensating for his small size. That is something you cannot change with conscious effort so the person has to come to terms with this or they're just compensating for insecurities. Simply put, I do not see much limitations to this world of knowledge other than it takes time. Concepts are quite similar through out all the sciences so it's easy to pick up. Algorithms, programming concepts and logic are all transferable concepts that can be used in all scientific walks of life. When you consider that economics, social sciences, physical sciences, geography and computer sciences are all increasingly relying on the scientific model of mathematical calculations, statistical probability, conditional logic, cause and effect you start to realise that a lot of concepts in seeming disparate fields can intuitively be understood if you have understood the principle logic in another field. Creativity is not as abundant as you think, so while the world may be flooded with content, that content itself isn't complex in the sense it's out of your way, it's just interdiscplinary understanding of these fields may take a while. I'd still say this is fairly achievable, it certainly isn't beyond 99.9% of people's capabilities.

I completely agree with what you said about many things being labeled "creative" being obvious to people who have a wide understanding of multiple subjects.

Saying someone is compensating is surely one of the cuntiest things you can say. I had a friend that was super successful and it was because she hated herself and felt like she couldnt have value unless she was the best.
Either way, its not my place to ask.
Am genuinely sorry that I said that. I suppose I said it because I may see a bit of her, in you, and she never was happy, and I want you to be happy.

I just noticed that 80% of the responses on the women freak me out thread, were yours. Thank you rebis, i'm not sure why you put in the effort to help, but thank you.

 

[moody]

I have dreamt that I was at a carnival before. It was during a point in my life where I was in a pit of despair and was deciding what I was going to do with my life. I thought of it as more of a longing for a simpler time, in youth for example. But yeah I can see that too, it at the time it felt like I had to change, or succumb to life itself.

I've never been comfortable at amusement parks, which is probably why it has that association for me. If has always felt like something bad was about to happen.

 

[Rebis]

It's pretty simple: The future foundation of our society is technological. The pinnacle of this technological foundation is AI, which will proceed into AGI. I've stated before I wish to contribute to the development of AI, whether it be efficient algorithms, creating better neural models or independent decision making. I wish to discover because that is knowledge which can't be discovered by most AI. It has an AI learns based on datasets so to improve an AIs functionality we must be provide it with a comprehensive data set: Consider computer vision for example: The popular dataset to use for this is ImageNet, it shows about 5,000,000 different images of objects so the computer can identify objects while it's driving around. However a big flaw with these images is angular perception: It doesn't intuitively understand that the object is 3 Dimensions so it would not successfully identify a traffic post taken under the traffic light itself. Infact, it may not even see it as an object which is a bad thing, right? This is essentially what I want to do as a career.

Im not sure I understand exactly what you are going to do, I dont know anything about AI, are you saying you want to achieve a more accurate way to represent things, in data?
Literally clueless

I want to improve automatic systems so the paragraph succeeding this one is attainable.

Proceeding this, the reason I wish to contribute to this world is quite simple: Liberation. With a society that's supplemented by AI for monotonous and repetitive tasks we can use our brains for its optimal function: conceptual understanding. We can understand, or at least conjecture why a phenomenon exists based on causality. A lot of AIs do not exhibit intuitive or conceptual understanding, they just understand the phenomenon exists. Conceptual understanding is our greatest ability and should be our focus until (and probably during, to a lesser degree) until AGI becomes a thing.

I agree, what do you think the world will look like once AI is developed enough to surpass us? Im not sure how I feel about AGI, I think once AI develops to the point that it surpasses us entirely, we couldnt control it. Im curious to see what it comes up with though.

It's hard for us to maintain complex systems which I think goes against the principality of intelligent behaviour: Situational awareness. Systematic rules are not subject to deviance, yet rules are ignored given a peculiar situation.
For example, let's say a job in the fast food industry: There are regulations regarding a number of batch cooked at once, health and safety standards, code of conducts and whatever have you, and yet in the heat of the moment they are ignored for the sake of a production. Sure, you could reason this is dystopic capitalism leeching every profit margin but this goal is not in the forefront of the individuals ignoring these regulations. The situation causes us to adapt, adaptation is a quintessential product of living organisms.

This shows how feeble systems are. The more the world is automatic it should ensue that we are free from management, self-regulation, systemic upkeep and tedious regimen. We are haphazard with our situational awareness. However, if we put more energy into designing automated systems we could free ourselves if this labour ("Err dem takin my jobs!"). We could plan for adjustments to busy periods, another robotic arm is turned on at a moments notice, the speed the task is managed would provide flat consistency, reducing fluctuations. But ultimately these plans would be designed, rather than enforced by us. A one-directional relationship.
People prefer consistency, they like reliability when the transaction is one of service: Always food under 5 minutes or a streamlined purpose. People want convience, consistency and speed (if anyone can suggest a fancy word for speed that starts with c so we can add to some business textbook under "the 3 Ps of product consumerism" let me know.)

I completely agree with what you said about many things being labeled "creative" being obvious to people who have a wide understanding of multiple subjects.

Saying someone is compensating is surely one of the cuntiest things you can say. I had a friend that was super successful and it was because she hated herself and felt like she couldnt have value unless she was the best.
Either way, its not my place to ask.
Am genuinely sorry that I said that. I suppose I said it because I may see a bit of her, in you, and she never was happy, and I want you to be happy.

I just noticed that 80% of the responses on the women freak me out thread, were yours. Thank you rebis, i'm not sure why you put in the effort to help, but thank you.

I mean maybe she did, and maybe she failed to remove her hatred but she did try. I don't think that was in despite of truth, it was trying to grasp a world on the hopes of change. Whether it succeeded in the end doesn't matter, she dared to defy the world she was given and tried to create one of her own. Many people fail and some succeed, while others never took the risk in the first place. They gained and lost nothing.

It's cool I don't take it personally, I just think I should speak up for people that probably get told they're compensating by trying to change. It is not easy to change, so I think associating a large influx of energy into the process of change shouldn't easily be acquianted with compensating, like damn this person's going against the world in some cases and people just throw out a "lol you're compensating?" If I was to give a daring example: You have certainly developed quite a lot in the last month, You seem to be shy and timid in some cases, but through become intimate with another person, reawakening yourself and with an insurgent confidence, you have became (at least in my mind) assertive with your opinions. For example, identifying this to be compensating, or saying to Inex on another post that "she'll find the right one", or giving me advice on where to find chicks. You've generally gained more confidence because you've explored an area that held you back for so long. I think now because you've went through what was percieved as major hurdle only a few months ago but you've realized all it took in the words of neil armstrong "one small step for a man, A giant leap for mankind" (mankind being the quality of life in this metaphor). And now, after all that understanding of the situation, Imagine if I decided not to interpet your growth for what it was and instead just decided "lol ur just compensating with confidence cuz u was insecure" or "wow you're just a big narcissist/arrogant douche now".

 

[Marbles]

You're a strange guy, Rebis. You remind me of no-one. You're so driven that it is bound to cause resentment among people who'll try to knock you down a peg. It will also probably cause concern among empathetic friends, who worry that you are abusing yourself. It can be hard to tell which is which. I've abstained from advice and public analysis because I don't know you, and I havent figured much out in life. You seem healthy enough, just don't exhaust yourself. Extraordinary success, even for the most capable, requires extraordinary sacrifice. Go for it, though. I don't think you could be happy if you hadn't tried, and if you fail, I don't think you'd have trouble rising and adapting. To paraphrase yourself, it is your turn at the tables.

I don't think much in images, but more than I used to. Sometiemes, if I linger in an emotion, an image will arise. Recently, I noticed thinking about the family dog of my childhood made me uncomfortable. It had done so for years, but I hadn't been entirely conscious of it. I decided to linger in the feeling, and an image of me kicking the dog as it approached me in happiness appeared. I was shocked - I had never physically abused my dog. It took a little while before I realized that I feel really bad about how we treated the dog when my mom got ill from cancer. The family was so drained of energy that the dog didn't get the attention and exercise it needed. A few years after my mother, it died of cancer.

I think my feeling of neglecting the dog turned into an image of abuse, which I didn't see clearly until I lingered in the mood. I'm not sure if the image preceded the insight, it was probably the other way around, and yet it was the image that made the root of ambivalence to the memory of my dog clear to me.

I wonder if there are more images lurking in my thinking, that will surface when I linger in a thought/mood.

Did you read an analysis of Seven Days Walking? As you know, I love that album, so please share.

 

[Rebis]

I find relaxation when these evolutions have been realized, I guess that's a happy medium for now. I do have a problem with relaxing normally, it effects everything from socializing without purpose, taking shortcuts to conserve time and even walking to the shop. I think zen is good but we all have a innate desire: To be subsumed by the world (to become one, zen) or to consume (Consciously observe, and change). Zen is not the enlightment I wish to seek as of now, I have many lives ahead of me.

Haha, this where I would tell you that if you are entirely comfortable than you are doing something wrong. But what do I know about you, some people relish the challenge. I think the idea of becoming 'one' is attractive because it would mean the ultimate support system(s), perfect security. If I understand Nietzsche's ubermensch it is the idea that someone needs not really on such psychological... I guess archetypes is the best word for this. I feel looking at virtue (in an Aristotelian sense) is a better tool that we can use, as it actually seems achievable.

I just looked up Nietzche's ubermensch, I hear of it a lot from so many sources it seems to be one of those hot topics people pick up as its interpretation is endless, like "quantum physics", "AI" or "consciousness". So just going by this post here:

Nietzsche's Ubermensch | Characteristics & Misconceptions - Lesson | Study.com

Who is Friedrich Nietzsche, and who is the "Ubermensch"? Learn about Nietzsche's background, his creation of the Ubermensch, and the misconceptions...

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Every, single point in this piece parallels my behaviour. I'm not joking.

"the ubermensch is the person who is able to break from the illusion. " I have went my own way, in the face of what was easy. Most of the steps in my life have been decided by me in opposition to what others told me to do. Why? A matter of principle. In my country catholics and protestants hate each other, it drove a war-like period for 30 years, a lot of people died, a lot of bombings. I walked into deeply protestant areas as a kid of 10, people said I would get jumped, they tried to intimidate me, my mum thought I was being rash. I wore a tracksuit at a GAA club that had misappropriate colours (my tracksuit had Blue, Red and white symbolized on the Union Jack where the colours for the team were Green and organge). I was outspoken, I stood up for what I believed in even when I knew the easy opinion to express that'd get me social status. I would dare to say I'm not universally liked by all means, nor am I universally disliked, but I don't doubt that my presence is a big one. Few of my interactions with people are simple. Most people remember me, whether you attribute that to my name or just the opinions I express is up to you. I'll stay true to myself.


" Rather than accept the morality dictated by institutions like the Church, the ubermensch creates his own morality, based on his own experiences which is grounded in this secular physical world (as opposed to some non-earthly afterlife). " Morality isn't just institutionalized, it also presents itself in ideologies. Socialists, Anti-fascists, Liberals, Feminists. I have not subscribed to these philosophies because I have decided for myself what my morality is. I have no pillar that I needed to be socialised into. I didn't need an ideology to tell me to treat people equally. Every person I meet experiences existence, there is no reduction to that realization. We are all equal as conscious entities, that is the only principle I need to understand. I've talked to people that were seen as psychotic, people exiled from friend groups and ensued a disdain for me talking to them (quite a recurent theme now I think about it), I don't reject the individual because they go against ideological frameworks. I hate a right-wing friend called kevin, he talked about mussolini alot, definitely leaned towards eugenics and the like. Did I oppose him because my ideology said so? No. I argued with him but I did not treat him with disdain, he is a conscious entity like another. Are you enraged by reading this then maybe you are not seeing past an ideology that possesses you. Ideologies do not support my morality, morality has came within. It is something intuitive, when something is deeply intuitive you cannot raise it to an understanding of systems like "everything is equal" "woman equal men" "wealth equality" and whatever have you.

"Living by his own moral code gives the ubermensch a deep sense of morality a steadfast purpose. In this enlightened position, the ubermensch is dedicated solely to the advancement and betterment of humanity. " Well, this is pretty much part in parcel of many of the opinions I've expressed here.

"Over time, he will help other people break from the bonds of institutional morality and thus become a figure who impacts history forever. " Not on a large scale, but I know I've had an effect on a lot of people that puts me in a unique position with them. I stand between a friend and a parent, lover, kindred spirit. I've changed a lot of people's lifes, that is for certain. A weird example is this girl from my hometown took a screenshot of a message I sent her, must've been when I was 14/15. I don't remember the contents of it but she's mentioned it to others 5,6,7 years after the event. I don't know what I said, it could of been anything really. I wouldn't ask her either. I thought it was strange, she had a weird fixation about me. It wasn't stalkerish, or a physical attraction to me. It was something different. I give this example because it's someone I don't talk to at all, and really didn't even talk to that much back then, but somehow I've left this arching impression on her life through just talking.

I won't define myself as an ubermensch because what I understand it to be is one of essence. If you have the essence you don't need the philosophy. Some people might see me as arrogant because i'm relating myself to a concept that may appear to be on a ideological pedastal resonant with perfection, but maybe your perception of what's perfect and unattainable to you is someone elses default. I don't see it as perfect or unattainable, I am just doing me. Nothing perfect about intuition.

 

[Rebis]

Yeah a lot of people worry about me. "Why dont you do this" "Why are you doing that" , at the start they try to control this behaviour but over time they respect my judgement. Maybe it's not respect, maybe it's just that they know I do what I do. I only have one long outstanding friend that still challenges my decisions, but the margin is growing slim. The difference is shortening. He was once confident and assured that if I were to take the straight and narrow I could go anywhere, but now I can see his confidence is dwindling, he is become unsure that what he knows is true, and with that lack of assurance I think he's starting to consider that my truth, while long and certainly not simple, may have been the only truth to me all along.


That was sad, I'm actually teary over that. I visualized a kids foot, a small leg, white sneakers kicking a fluffy black dog with green eyes:

You're a strange guy, Rebis. You remind me of no-one. You're so driven that it is bound to cause resentment among people who'll try to knock you down a peg. It will also probably cause concern among empathetic friends, who worry that you are abusing yourself. It can be hard to tell which is which. I've abstained from advice and public analysis because I don't know you, and I havent figured much out in life. You seem healthy enough, just don't exhaust yourself. Extraordinary success, even for the most capable, requires extraordinary sacrifice. Go for it, though. I don't think you could be happy if you hadn't tried, and if you fail, I don't think you'd have trouble rising and adapting. To paraphrase yourself, it is your turn at the tables.

I don't think much in images, but more than I used to. Sometiemes, if I linger in an emotion, an image will arise. Recently, I noticed thinking about the family dog of my childhood made me uncomfortable. It had done so for years, but I hadn't been entirely conscious of it. I decided to linger in the feeling, and an image of me kicking the dog as it approached me in happiness appeared. I was shocked - I had never physically abused my dog. It took a little while before I realised that I have really bad conscience about how we treated the dog when my mom got ill from cancer. The family was so drained of energy that the dog didn't get the exercise and attention it needed. A few years after my mother, it died of cancer.

I think my feeling of neglecting the dog turned into an image of abuse, which I didn't see clearly untill I lingered in the mood. I'm not sure if the image preceded the insight, it was probably the other way around, and yet it was the image that made the cause of my ambivalence to the memory of my dog clear to me.

I wonder if there are more images lurking in my thinking, that will surface when I linger in a thought/mood.

Did you read an analysis of Seven Days Walking? As you know, I love that album, so please share.

Yeah a lot of people worry about me. "Why dont you do this" "Why are you doing that" , at the start they try to control this behaviour but over time they respect my judgement. Maybe it's not respect, maybe it's just that they know I do what I do. I only have one long outstanding friend that still challenges my decisions, but the margin is growing slim. The difference is shortening. He was once confident and assured that if I were to take the straight and narrow I could go anywhere, but now I can see his confidence is dwindling, he is become unsure that what he knows is true, and with that lack of assurance I think he's starting to consider that my truth, while long and certainly not simple, may have been the only truth to me all along.


That was sad, I'm actually teary over that. I visualized a kids foot, a small leg, white sneakers kicking a fluffy black dog with green eyes (this be the dog breed), it doesn't have all its teeth with the middle teeth removed. Happy anc cheerful running towards your foot while you were lying on the ground pavement.

Try to explore these images, I wouldn't call them useful per se, but mental images are just not communicable. They are only apart of your existence. More so than language and images you've seen. I think it's pretty weird how these images feel burned into my mind, do you ever see those movies where people have flashbacks and an image overlays the screen? It's like that in a way except the overlay is more so of a separate viewing angle. Like looking through a minds eye, and looking through your occular system.

 

[Marbles]

I think you live for the journey, for the experience, not the destination. The stormier the better, so saying things will be hard is pointless. Hard is the point. You're a stoic, bohemian hedonist. I told you something along those lines, once, then I saw your photos and knew I was right :P

This is the dog:

 

[Rebis]

I think you live for the journey, for the experience, not the destination. The stormier the better, so saying things will be hard is pointless. Hard is the point. You're a stoic, bohemian hedonist. I told you something along those lines, once, then I saw your photos and knew I was right :P

This is the dog:
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Yes, it was quite the title, I shall remember it.


I recall you mentioning him yeah and you mentioned a song (Day 3 I believe). He has been my classical go-to recently, Ascent day 3, A sense of symmetry day 7, Gravity var 1- Day 4 and Low mist day 3 are my favourite.

 

[Rebis]

Also, this whole sobreity thing is literally me going against my whole culture, the wishes of all my friends, the social lubricant of everyone around me, all because I have decided on my own terms. This is just the recent one in a list of things I decided to which went against the support of others. I don't think defiance is ever empty even if it can be misconstrued as being defiant just for the "sake" of it.

It's 1:43 guys and I've been thinking and typing for 2 hours, so like there's certainly a drop off in revision and quality of the posts. So could be a blunder or two, feel free to throw a spear my way.

 

[moody]

I don't think much in images, but more than I used to. Sometiemes, if I linger in an emotion, an image will arise. Recently, I noticed thinking about the family dog of my childhood made me uncomfortable. It had done so for years, but I hadn't been entirely conscious of it. I decided to linger in the feeling, and an image of me kicking the dog as it approached me in happiness appeared. I was shocked - I had never physically abused my dog. It took a little while before I realised that I have really bad conscience about how we treated the dog when my mom got ill from cancer. The family was so drained of energy that the dog didn't get the exercise and attention it needed. A few years after my mother, it died of cancer.

I think my feeling of neglecting the dog turned into an image of abuse, which I didn't see clearly untill I lingered in the mood. I'm not sure if the image preceded the insight, it was probably the other way around, and yet it was the image that made the cause of my ambivalence to the memory of my dog clear to me.

I wonder if there are more images lurking in my thinking, that will surface when I linger in a thought/mood.

Did you read an analysis of Seven Days Walking? As you know, I love that album, so please share.

yo. I have experienced the exact same thing with past pets. I get uncomfortable thinking about a couple that my family owned when our circumstances weren't the best. A few of them got the short end of the stick, and it makes me queasy to think about. They didn't get enough attention, and were around yelling way too much.

I have the same feeling when I think about myself as a kid.

(And about food I forget to eat before it goes bad, or when I use plastic, and whenever I throw things away...at least I don't feel like this every-time I walk outside anymore).

 

[moody]

Also, this whole sobreity thing is literally me going against my whole culture, the wishes of all my friends, the social lubricant of everyone around me, all because I have decided on my own terms. This is just the recent one in a list of things I decided to which went against the support of others. I don't think defiance is ever empty even if it can be misconstrued as being defiant just for the "sake" of it.

This is why I'm a recluse. People get offended if you don't do things their way. Well screw them.

 

[Rebis]

Also, this whole sobreity thing is literally me going against my whole culture, the wishes of all my friends, the social lubricant of everyone around me, all because I have decided on my own terms. This is just the recent one in a list of things I decided to which went against the support of others. I don't think defiance is ever empty even if it can be misconstrued as being defiant just for the "sake" of it.

This is why I'm a recluse. People get offended if you don't do things their way. Well screw them.

Yeah I just don't see the point of an uphill battle. They are mistaken that I need to prove myself to them, why are they the gold standard? Why do they infringe on us while I have not infringed on them?

Or maybe they feel infringed because we're not typical, and typical is consistent. Idk, time to sleep dawg.

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[Rebis]

In terms of going my own way, a poor wuote a lover rhiannon: (The topic was travelling)

"I think you're gonna just going to disappear one day by yourself and travel the world" something like that

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[moody]

Yeah a lot of people worry about me. "Why dont you do this" "Why are you doing that" , at the start they try to control this behaviour but over time they respect my judgement. Maybe it's not respect, maybe it's just that they know I do what I do.

Ah, now you remind me of a real person. My best friend is a bit like that. I worry about them, but I also trust them to get through anything that's thrown at them. I just try to remind him of his limits, but I'm confident he'll get through what he sets his mind too. Don't know you well enough to say the same :P

Try to explore these images, I wouldn't call them useful per se, but mental images are just not communicable. They are only apart of your existence. More so than language and images you've seen. I think it's pretty weird how these images feel burned into my mind, do you ever see those movies where people have flashbacks and an image overlays the screen? It's like that in a way except the overlay is more so of a separate viewing angle. Like looking through a minds eye, and looking through your occular system.

I've had moments when someone has given me a concerned look and asked me, "why do you think that way?" or "what makes you like that?" And all I can see are the vivid images that would answer exactly their question, but communicating them is physically implausible. There have been moments when I've just shut down and started at the other person like they were some foriegn object...I call this "breaking the fourth wall" of myself. It rarely happens, and when it does, it's because I'm backed completely in a corner and am unable to respond in any manner that would be acceptable to the other person. They've broken me down. I wouldn't say I "put on an act" anymore than to have a normal conversation. But there are some things we naturally filter out of interactions, and when I get stressed or pressed to the point of that filter cracking, my "fourth wall" breaks.

It's also like the phenomenon of the "voice from the unconscious." When all your conscious controls of your self crumble due to a dire emotional or physical situation and you loose your ability to cope, it's like another part of your brain takes control and gives a command to allow you to respond.


I feel as though these type of breakthroughs can be extremely enlightening. Though they're circumstantially unwanted, they give us insights to ourselves that become buried underneath our daily coping style.

There are two people I know who've had succinct experiences of their unconscious speaking:
1. A woman I know who was childbirth for 30 hours, because the doctors thought they could deliver naturally...all of a sudden, she says she "heard the voice of got tell her: "(Name), your baby needs to come out now." So she screamed at the doctors to do a C-section. Later the nurse came to her and apologized, saying that she was only a few seconds away from something rupturing that would have caused the death of her and her newborn.

2. The second instance I know of was from a man who had a traumatic experience kayaking in Hawaii with his friends. A massive story hit, and he recalls continually being pushed into the water over and over again, before he eventually found a rock and held on for dear life. He was eventually saved. I don't think any of his friends died, but he says he remembers standing on the rocks, looking them drowning and being powerless to do anything until they got to the rocks too. (they were all really athletic).

Year later while watching a movie, there is a scene of a giant wave crashing. At that moment, he had a flashback, and a clear voice in his head said: "SWIM TOWARDS THE WAVE." He wondered after that if he was, unconsciously, searching to die through one of the risky recreational activities he did.

 

[moody]

Yeah I just don't see the point of an uphill battle. They are mistaken that I need to prove myself to them, why are they the gold standard? Why do they infringe on us while I have not infringed on them?

Basic bitches

 

[EndogenousRebel]

I'm pretty sure the ubermensch is positioned in response to the "god is dead" idea, where we must become our own gods, so be wary of this. As seen with basic bitches, arrogance and dimness always are what gets in the way, and who knows relative to the universe, you would be pretty dim.

As I've written before I think Nietzsche had too much time on his hands and rationalized belief systems made of diamond that would not fail when scrutinized by reality. After that, all you need to live a just life is to predict and expect horror, premeditation of evils, negative visualization, something that the stoics, those masochists, thought up. When I am faced with this, it makes me sad in a way, because it just goes to show just how little freedom we have, is this a life worth living. Of course, this is likely because I am lazy or tired of it all, and likely just need to find a way to have fun with it, which I think I am on the path of, but my demons do not relent. I'm sure I will win the marathon, but at what cost?

All this, the ubermensch, prediction of evils, are armor and strategies to deal with reality. Tragedy or worse, some sort of unimaginable cosmological horror (watch the Gantz movie on Netflix, it's pretty cool.) are something we will likely not be prepared for. Unless we can avoid overwhelming force, it is all for not.

 

[peoplesuck]

I mean maybe she did, and maybe she failed to remove her hatred but she did try. I don't think that was in despite of truth, it was trying to grasp a world on the hopes of change. Whether it succeeded in the end doesn't matter, she dared to defy the world she was given and tried to create one of her own. Many people fail and some succeed, while others never took the risk in the first place. They gained and lost nothing.

It's cool I don't take it personally, I just think I should speak up for people that probably get told they're compensating by trying to change. It is not easy to change, so I think associating a large influx of energy into the process of change shouldn't easily be acquianted with compensating, like damn this person's going against the world in some cases and people just throw out a "lol you're compensating?" If I was to give a daring example: You have certainly developed quite a lot in the last month, You seem to be shy and timid in some cases, but through become intimate with another person, reawakening yourself and with an insurgent confidence, you have became (at least in my mind) assertive with your opinions. For example, identifying this to be compensating, or saying to Inex on another post that "she'll find the right one", or giving me advice on where to find chicks. You've generally gained more confidence because you've explored an area that held you back for so long. I think now because you've went through what was percieved as major hurdle only a few months ago but you've realized all it took in the words of neil armstrong "one small step for a man, A giant leap for mankind" (mankind being the quality of life in this metaphor). And now, after all that understanding of the situation, Imagine if I decided not to interpet your growth for what it was and instead just decided "lol ur just compensating with confidence cuz u was insecure" or "wow you're just a big narcissist/arrogant douche now".

Ugh fuck, this is one of those mistakes you need to make to learn. I came out of the gate very...douchey and arrogant. For some reason this made me want to disappear for a while, not sure what that says about me. Im with you 100%
I have no interest in intellectual talks, I couldnt really have a conversation with you anyways, Im clueless.

Old me would have disappeared for a few days, as some sort of self punishment. Im getting a bit better at not being overly hard on myself.

 

[Rebis]

Ah, now you remind me of a real person. My best friend is a bit like that. I worry about them, but I also trust them to get through anything that's thrown at them. I just try to remind him of his limits, but I'm confident he'll get through what he sets his mind too. Don't know you well enough to say the same :P

The other day my friend said "[name], you know I'll always support your lifestyle but " and a few weeks ago "I think it's really cool the way you do things but you should just focus on _ " I think these are good starters with your friend if you're feeling they're doing everything on their own, let's their guard down. Especially if you've been butting heads with him a bit or you feel he's going down a riskier path this time around.

I've had moments when someone has given me a concerned look and asked me, "why do you think that way?" or "what makes you like that?" And all I can see are the vivid images that would answer exactly their question, but communicating them is physically implausible. There have been moments when I've just shut down and started at the other person like they were some foriegn object...I call this "breaking the fourth wall" of myself. It rarely happens, and when it does, it's because I'm backed completely in a corner and am unable to respond in any manner that would be acceptable to the other person. They've broken me down. I wouldn't say I "put on an act" anymore than to have a normal conversation. But there are some things we naturally filter out of interactions, and when I get stressed or pressed to the point of that filter cracking, my "fourth wall" breaks.

It's also like the phenomenon of the "voice from the unconscious." When all your conscious controls of your self crumble due to a dire emotional or physical situation and you loose your ability to cope, it's like another part of your brain takes control and gives a command to allow you to respond.

I feel as though these type of breakthroughs can be extremely enlightening. Though they're circumstantially unwanted, they give us insights to ourselves that become buried underneath our daily coping style.

There are two people I know who've had succinct experiences of their unconscious speaking:
1. A woman I know who was childbirth for 30 hours, because the doctors thought they could deliver naturally...all of a sudden, she says she "heard the voice of got tell her: "(Name), your baby needs to come out now." So she screamed at the doctors to do a C-section. Later the nurse came to her and apologized, saying that she was only a few seconds away from something rupturing that would have caused the death of her and her newborn.

2. The second instance I know of was from a man who had a traumatic experience kayaking in Hawaii with his friends. A massive story hit, and he recalls continually being pushed into the water over and over again, before he eventually found a rock and held on for dear life. He was eventually saved. I don't think any of his friends died, but he says he remembers standing on the rocks, looking them drowning and being powerless to do anything until they got to the rocks too. (they were all really athletic).

Year later while watching a movie, there is a scene of a giant wave crashing. At that moment, he had a flashback, and a clear voice in his head said: "SWIM TOWARDS THE WAVE." He wondered after that if he was, unconsciously, searching to die through one of the risky recreational activities he did.

Yeah I've done a lot of that. I'm of the mind it's a positive effect at the moment, I was sick on saturday and the super manager of the store I talk to quite a lot, he was trying to talk to me but in my sickened state I just done my job and saw right through him, he was just an obstacle. And then another dude tried to control me yesterday by petty fear, someone had left a drink in the kitchen (which is not allowed) at my position, he threw it at the back wall and said "DRINKS R NOT ALLOWED IN THE KITCHEN" while storming past me. He couldn't make eye contact with me though. Wasn't bothered by it, asked him a few questions regarding workflow and I had to repeat because he had to prepare himself to repsond to me, I didn't play his game of fear and dominance.

If someone is trying to control you by fear and you just respond like it didn't impact you you'll always see a delay in their response. It's a fun mini-game I do.

I've never had a voice, separate from my own inner monologue command me. Having said that if I struggle with something a plan comes to me, I consolidate that plan and make a decision. When the decision is made it's final for the most part. That birth example reminds of the hallucinations described in the bicamerial mind: Priests of ancient civilization, psychics and the like would say that god would talk through them, a neurological reason this could be so was seen in a damaged corpus collosum: this was the link between both hemispheres of the brain. A way to get around this damaged colossum was to circumvent the signals to the anterior commisures causing an auditory hallucination. What they understood as god was actually their executive function sending a signal when normal means were obfuscated.

 

[Rebis]

I'm pretty sure the ubermensch is positioned in response to the "god is dead" idea, where we must become our own gods, so be wary of this. As seen with basic bitches, arrogance and dimness always are what gets in the way, and who knows relative to the universe, you would be pretty dim.

As I've written before I think Nietzsche had too much time on his hands and rationalized belief systems made of diamond that would not fail when scrutinized by reality. After that, all you need to live a just life is to predict and expect horror, premeditation of evils, negative visualization, something that the stoics, those masochists, thought up. When I am faced with this, it makes me sad in a way, because it just goes to show just how little freedom we have, is this a life worth living. Of course, this is likely because I am lazy or tired of it all, and likely just need to find a way to have fun with it, which I think I am on the path of, but my demons do not relent. I'm sure I will win the marathon, but at what cost?

All this, the ubermensch, prediction of evils, are armor and strategies to deal with reality. Tragedy or worse, some sort of unimaginable cosmological horror (watch the Gantz movie on Netflix, it's pretty cool.) are something we will likely not be prepared for. Unless we can avoid overwhelming force, it is all for not.

Damn right I'll become my own god of my own realm. "The few cubic centrimetres of the brain, that is the one true solemn reign" given his nihilism I doubt his intention was to create a perfect belief system from a lack of purpose but maybe his narrow lens would cause people to think in that capacity. Maybe through his own nihilism he saw people take solace in these belief systems which are not wholly justified by the nature of reality, and in this realization he sought to extend the brainwashing, or rather add another philosophical belief system to the human repisitory for lifestyles. The nihilism he knew, and the one that we derived from him may be nihilism in two entirely different capacities. I mean you hear people mention nihilism all the time and yet it seems they proclaim to subscribe to nihilism but that subscription is ephemeral. They do not embody the belief system as much as they just say they are nihilist, y'know? I think embodiment in terms of the ubermansch is the missing link for most people: They do not embody their morality with a personal flavour as much as they use ideologies to fit their form factor but ultimately the ideology takes over leaving them with little reign over their moral compass.

Universal freedom is rare, though we can be free of certain things. You just have to prioritise. You will face evils but that is the natural order, as john milton put it" Innocence, Once Lost, Can Never Be Regained. Darkness, Once Gazed Upon, Can Never Be Lost. " You can preserve the innocence of others or find beauty in the duality of life and awaken people to a true understanding of reality without blissful nirvana. I think I'm ready in the sense I'm willing to adapt and I don't take things for granted. Of course I can't prepare for everything, but that's just life.

Ugh fuck, this is one of those mistakes you need to make to learn. I came out of the gate very...douchey and arrogant. For some reason this made me want to disappear for a while, not sure what that says about me. Im with you 100%
I have no interest in intellectual talks, I couldnt really have a conversation with you anyways, Im clueless.

Old me would have disappeared for a few days, as some sort of self punishment. Im getting a bit better at not being overly hard on myself.

You just wont find a free haven to explore ideas like this one my dude, don't retreat from here we're all chill. When the real life's given you shit you know you got the INTP gang. I mean I think the reason you've stuck around so long is probably because you enjoy these type of talks. It's good you're not reverting to avoidance it's such a bad resolution mechanism, you're just living out your deeply entrenched feelings for a period of time until they become null, waiting is a bad game, decisiveness is the best resolution.

And no, you're not douchey or arrogant. Keep with the confidence, you have to explore your confidence, you dipped into insecurity for presumably a long-ass time, so there's no problem compensating (lol) with an overbearing confidence. Though you should not consciously decide this it should just happen, so once you read this message you should just forget this whole discussion and just put it in the back of your mind, continue what you are doing.

 

[peoplesuck]

Just fucking say it already.
You love me, I get it.
I love you too bb

 

[Rebis]

gAy

 

[peoplesuck]

only for you, faggot <3

 

[Rebis]

 

[Marbles]

Wow, rebs... I guess it's true what they say... You think in images, and an image really is equivalent to a thousand words :P

 

[peoplesuck]

Fuck yeah brah, intellectual as fuck bruh
Is that fucking mouth wash?
You complete me

 

[Rebis]

Wow, rebs... I guess it's true what they say... You think in images, and an image really is equivalent to a thousand words :P

This is usually expressed in the form of communication, an image communicates a thousand words. This is different from forming mental-images which are non-incommunicable, and represent concepts which can be expressed in far more than a thousand words.

but ye I understand the joke

 

[Marbles]

but ye I understand the joke

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