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Visualisation vs Analysis. What is Analysis anyway?

nanook

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I believe that most of my intelligence is based on a form of visualisation. Not with colorful imagination or anything visible (don't panic, AK!), but in the sense that i have a map of the organic functional structures of reality, such as of the functionalities of the human psyche, in the same way you have an idea about how a cap needs to be turned left to open and right to close.

When i say that typology is a tool for psychoanalysis, what i really mean is that it's helping me to become aware of the different organs and their activity, so that i can build up a memory map of their common phenomena.

Then, when i seem to "analyse" a written paragraph for which cognitive functions must have been involved in the making of that paragraph, i am just comparing pseudo visual ideas in very much the same way, i do, when i literally draw an image on paper and compare the pencil stoke with my inner image, judging whether it's accurate or needs slight correction .....


As a child, everyone complimented on my abilities to draw. I was always one of the two best students in art class. No one ever commented positively on any other aspect of me, most certainly no teacher, until i discovered the internet and began to share my psychological insights ....


So it's probably accurate, that all of the insights i share on this message board are not truly an achievement of thinking, of judgement?

I still find it hard to become conscious of what exactly (my) thinking does and contributes, during the act. Perhaps a hint towards me being INFP.

I know that the world analysis is often used to mean something different: a process of poking the real world, so that it spits out data, that was entirely hidden before, much like hacking software perhaps (i don't know what i am talking about). much like playing chess perhaps. much like an inspector who provokes a person to accidentally reveal a secret, by saying certain things.

I don't know if i am any good at analysis, in this sense of the word.

Okay, that means i am not, obviously.

I seem intuitive or perceptive, according to common sense definition of these words. in that i "just know" what i know. Which is the instant result of comparing patterns.

To some of you, i probably sound like a broken record, because you have seen me illustrate most of my understanding twice.

When i don't know something, i don't necessarily come up with a strategy about how to find it out. When i deal with a mechanical situation, i will probably be able to play around randomly, then comparison allows me to figure it out. This way i can solve a rubics cube in very little time. (I have had one in my hands only once and solved it in a few moments - the smartass who had it before me might have helped).

But there seems little conscious far sighted strategy about how i can "analyse a problem". I wouldn't describe myself as a problem solver anyway.

I just see problems everywhere, lol. Shit going out of hand, because our actions aren't aligned with the organic nature of things. I might prevent those problems from happening ...

However i am extremely hypothesis forming, and the mechanism behind that is in deed visual creativity again. I just imagine functional organs, that might be the actors behind the data, that i know.
 

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I am strong in both functions. I love the description "map of organic functional structures of reality"

That would be a good description of how I see physics. people confuse me as much as physics confuses you.

sorry your post is way to long for me to retain anything else you said lol.
 

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My thinking is very digital and analytical. I occasionally visualise thing for amusement but when I am seriously thinking/debating something it's all audiotary digital questioning and analysing. I sometimes have problems understanding people who don't use concrete writing/explanations to explain things.
 

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I think if I could have Nanook by my side at all times we could get shit done.
 

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My problem is that when I try to translate the massive amount of information into code, too much information is lost in the process.
 

nanook

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If you think i am good at dealing with SJ bosses, you have the wrong picture of me. Being psychoanalytic alienates me from people. I see what they can't admit about themselves. It's better for socializing to focus on extroverted stuff and predict how people relate to that. "You want sugar? Here you are." I'm extremely blind on that eye.

perhaps look into the socionics concept of a dual. it's a couple that crosses over I/E. but the dual shares all functions/perspectives.
 

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If you think i am good at dealing with SJ bosses, you have the wrong picture of me. Being psychoanalytic alienates me from people. I see what they can't admit about themselves. It's better for socializing to focus on extroverted stuff and predict how people relate to that. "You want sugar? Here you are." I'm extremely blind on that eye.

perhaps look into the socionics concept of a dual. it's a couple that crosses over I/E. but the dual shares all functions/perspectives.

I do the same. it really pisses some people off.
 

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I can relate to everything you said. you describe it very well.

I think what your trying to describe by "map of organic functional structures of reality" is closest to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_thinking. I try to grasp a system as a whole, when I learn a new piece of info I immediately try to figure out where it fits in the whole picture.
however, I'm satisfied with only knowing the components of a system and how they interact, Im never patient enough to stick and master a skill.. I get bored quickly.
 

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perhaps look into the socionics concept of a dual. it's a couple that crosses over I/E. but the dual shares all functions/perspectives.

Why did you suggest this?
 

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Ok, I had to ask my girl, lol. You are referring to the BF/GF relationship. She is an E and I am an I and we realized early on we fit there very well in that aspect. Her only, and her only, real complaint is that I blank out of consciousness. She claims its because I am arrogant.
 

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Hahaha... I'm such a dolt sometimes. I just meant for work.
 

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I guess analysis has to do more with problem solving, "constructive" while visualization is more deconstructive in nature, the way you are contrasting the two.

So basically analysis here is more coming up with concrete solutions and placing them within the system, while visualization is more 'this is how the system works'.
 
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I think I can relate to your idea of most of your intelligence being based on a form of visualization.

For me its sort of like being able to see the structure behind things and because I focus on the structure rather than the "meat" behind the structure, I'm able to draw connections between disparate fields more easily than most people.

However, this does have its drawbacks in that I'm not motivated by practical applications...actually, often, I'm demotivated by practical applications. For example, I love learning the ideas behind structural mechanics or control theory but if you ask me to apply that knowledge to something practical my motivation immediately turns off.

I think that's because I find the specific practical applications to be too confining. When one's concerned with the meat rather than the structure, the possibilities get severely restricted.

nanook said:
I know that the world analysis is often used to mean something different: a process of poking the real world, so that it spits out data, that was entirely hidden before, much like hacking software perhaps (i don't know what i am talking about). much like playing chess perhaps. much like an inspector who provokes a person to accidentally reveal a secret, by saying certain things.

I don't know about the particular examples you mentioned but I think I get where you're coming from. I think when analysis is conveyed in that sort of sense, it's giving an impression of cautiously moving inch by inch, not having the overall picture in mind.

Well, I'm really bad at that sort of analysis. What I think I'm better at than most people is being able to spot the underlying structural similarities between things. I prefer working top-down rather than bottom-up.

However, I used to think everyone thinks the way I do, I still do to some extent. More precisely, I mean that one can draw relationships between the way I think and the way most people think. I don't think they're very dissimilar.

After all, I'm very philosophical opposed to the idea of having two separate things without a more fundamental thing which serves as the ground for those two things.

I hope you'll find something of value in my post. :)
 

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I think I can relate to your idea of most of your intelligence being based on form of visualization.

After all, I'm very philosophical opposed to the idea of having two separate things without a more fundamental thing which serves as the ground for those two things. :)

Like the relationship between general relativity and quantum mechanics and M-Theory.
 
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