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Validity of cognitive function theory

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Why do I feel like the cognitive function theory is undoubtably accurate? I'm somebody who holds any sort of absolute belief, but since this theory is so easily observable, I can't help but to think it is a completely accurate interpretation of the foundation of personality. Is this the same feeling religious people experience when questioned of gods existence? Is it merely a delusion to believe this stuff, regardless of observable evidence?
 

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Is there a better model to describe different ways of processing? Is it better not to subscribe to any theory at all?
 

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Surely the model is accurate in my perspective, however, I come across several relatively intellectual people who completely discredit any form of personality theory. Surely they're not as educated on the matter to hold such an opinion, but I can't help not to correlate this type of "absolute knowledge" to religious delusional world views.
 

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There is plenty of evidence to suggest it is not a particularly good model. The fact that most of the respected experts fail to agree on much is a pretty big tip-off.

You are wise to question your 'absolute' knowledge, regardless of the truth value of it.
 

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Explain it to me in terms of AI, like Data from Star Trek.

You could use MBTI or whatever to classify an AI, but you still wouldn't know how it works, you still couldn't build one of your own, and there's many ways of classifying things which are almost always internally consistent.

I think it's accurate enough for sorting people, but just because someone is one type or another doesn't mean you automatically know anything significant about them, you may know how they're likely to behave, but not why, Data may behave like an introvert but it would be wrong to assume he's in any way why or timid, he simply has an undeveloped personality so there isn't as much to express.

You can say I'm talking nonsense referring to Sci-Fi like this but it makes sense, doesn't it?
 

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So Cog, what if one day I build an A.I. based on the principles of information processing and decision-making (that is jungian theory) and have it talk to you, and understand you. Would you then believe me?

:p

Cuz I'm working on that.
 

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There is plenty of evidence to suggest it is not a particularly good model. The fact that most of the respected experts fail to agree on much is a pretty big tip-off.

You are wise to question your 'absolute' knowledge, regardless of the truth value of it.

Like what?

Explain it to me in terms of AI, like Data from Star Trek.

You could use MBTI or whatever to classify an AI, but you still wouldn't know how it works, you still couldn't build one of your own, and there's many ways of classifying things which are almost always internally consistent.

I think it's accurate enough for sorting people, but just because someone is one type or another doesn't mean you automatically know anything significant about them, you may know how they're likely to behave, but not why, Data may behave like an introvert but it would be wrong to assume he's in any way why or timid, he simply has an undeveloped personality so there isn't as much to express.

You can say I'm talking nonsense referring to Sci-Fi like this but it makes sense, doesn't it?

Similar to a program right? We can look at the 16 types being 16 different computer programs, whereby each code, written in the program is different.

Im annoyed with the whole theory based on my inability to type myself its gone INTP--INTJ--INTP--ENTP--INFJ so I can see how many may be deluded into acting like a certain type.
 

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I have no doubt there are cognitive functions. The question is, how fixed and stable they are for us? That applies to temperaments which have a certain stability, character traits which can change, and personality which is less ingrained.

Another issue is how we label these cognitive functions. Do we pick fuzzy ones or ones which can be incorporated into AI? For example, intuitive versus sensations is more fuzzy than expressing generalities versus expressing particulars. The latter can be incorporated into AI, don't you think?
 

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Like what?

Off the top of my head?

+ The tests don't work.

+ The following that MBTI does have is propagated by human intervention. You need an experienced individual to 'read' you, which introduces a massive element of human error.

+ It is not disprovable. All types are expected to demonstrate behaviors outside of their descriptors.

+ It is not even a blip on the radar of the scientific literature. How do you explain this?

+ There is a complete lack of consensus among experts. Similar to the religious communities, there are different gurus claiming absolute and mutually exclusive knowledge. The amount of sheer subjective non-verifiable interpretation that takes place within the model is obscene.

+ There are alternative explanations to the patterns we see. A lot of people swear by astrology, and yet their faith is misplaced. Given a model that has zero representation of reality, people will still believe in it as a result of a number of biases. If neither models are scientifically supported, what makes MBTI better than astrology? Please note that there are some aspects of MBTI that are supported, but the inclusion of some truth does not justify the entire model.



I drummed this up post hoc, but it does a really good job of illustrating the weaknesses of the MBTI as a predictive model and instrument.

http://www.indiana.edu/~jobtalk/Articles/develop/mbti.pdf

Statistical Structure
Because the MBTI is a typology, we would expect that its scores would be distributed bimodally and not be normally distributed. Let me give an analogy. If you randomly selected 500 people between the ages 18 and 25, measured their heights, and then drew a graph of the results, you would probably have a normal or bell-shaped distribution. Most people would have a height close to the mean, say 5'8". Of course, some people would be very short, and others would be very tall, but these extreme scores would be rare. Now, imagine what would happen if you divided your sample by sex. When you redraw the data you should get a bimodal distribution. Women, on average, are shorter than men; but within each sex there will be a normal distribution of heights. The same thing should happen for the MBTI.

We would expect that since people are either introverts or extroverts, the test results should yield two different curves. One curve would represent all the introverts, the other, all the extroverts. True, some people may be more extroverted than others, but we would expect that all the extroverts would be different from all the introverts. What we should find is that there are two normal curves representing the two preferences, and that there is little or no overlap of the curves.

The data indicate that there is no evidence of bimodal distributions for the MBTI.6
Instead, most people score between the two extremes. This means that although one person may score as an E, his or her test results may be very similar to those of another person's, who scores as an I.

Reliability
Reliability refers to the consistency in measurement of a test. Tests that are highly reliable are preferred because we can be sure that we will get the same result each time we measure the same thing. If the test is not reliable, we do not know if the changes in the score are due to changes in the person we are measuring or to some type of error in the testing process.

It is important that the MBTI be reliable for many reasons. As Tieger and Barron-Tieger note in their article, "The Type to which you are born will be the one you take to your grave." In other words, once an INTJ, always an INTJ. Therefore, we would expect the reliability of the MBTI to be extremely high and that people's type will not change.The primary method for testing reliability is to give the test to a person on two occasions. This procedure is known as “test-retest reliability." Typically, the test-retest interval can range from several weeks to more than a year. Because type is said to be a constant characteristic, we would expect that people's personality would not change over time. Several studies, however, show that even when the test-retest interval is short (e.g., 5 weeks), as many as 50 percent of the people will be classified into a different type.

The reliability data of the MBTI bring into question the stability of the test. How is it possible that there can be a change in personality, across a short interval, when such a change should not occur? The reliability data also bring into question whether there are meaningful differences across the preference categories.

Standard Error of Measurement. This testing concept is really a statistic that psychologists use to decide when the difference between two test scores is meaningful and when the difference is trivial. For example, two people could
take the same test. One receives a score of 100, the other a score of 105. The standard error measurement helps us decide whether that 5-point difference represents a substantial difference between the two people or if the difference
reflects simply an error in measurement. There are two factors that influence the standard error of measurement: the standard deviation and the test-retest
reliability of the test. If the standard deviation of the test is small and the reliability is high, it is possible that small differences among scores can represent significant differences among the items measured, which, in this case, are individuals' personalities. If, however, the standard deviation is large and the reliability is low, then large differences among scores must be found before we can assume that there are meaningful differences among the individuals. The standard error of measure for each of the four dimensions is fairly large.

Unfortunately, the MBTI method of scoring obscures this important distinction. It classifies people into a rigid dichotomy. Thus, two people could have raw scores that are close to one another but that define different classifications. This occurs because there are cutoff points that divide the dimensions. When the score is above the cutoff, one classification is given; if the score is below the cutoff, the opposite classification is given. Although some users of the MBTI try to interpret how close the score is to the cutoff, this practice is inconsistent with the theory of the MBTI. For example, Carskadon argues that the raw scores are overused and contends that "it is probably better to use dichotomous classification." In summary, the differences between the two-letter categories are not as sharp and clear cut as it would appear.
Because the MBTI uses an absolute classification scheme for people, it is possible for people with relatively similar scores to labeled with much different personalities.

In summary, the differences between the two-letter categories are not as sharp and clear cut as it would appear. Because the MBTI uses an absolute classification scheme for people, it is possible for people with relatively similar scores to labeled with much different personalities.

Validity
As the degree to which a test measures what it is supposed to measure, validity is a difficult property to evaluate in a test. Consider tests of intelligence. Many people are skeptical of the results of these tests. Some people are concerned that the tests measure only "book learning" and do not test "common sense." Other people feel that
intelligence tests have cultural, racial, and gender biases. Therefore, to conclude that a test is a valid measure of intelligence, it must be shown that the test measures intelligence independent of the testee's education, culture, race, and sex.

There are many ways to evaluate the validity of the MBTI test. I will examine two important pieces of evidence. First, we can determine if the four dimensions described in the MBTI theory really exist. This is accomplished by using a statistical procedure known as "factor analysis." Secondly, we can determine whether knowing a person’s
MBTI type really allows us to predict how that person will perform under different circumstances. The importance of this question of validity is obvious. It must be shown that there is a consistent and meaningful relation between
MBTI results and success in career placement.

Factor Analysis. The factor analysis is a type of statistic procedure that consists of making an analysis of the correlations among the questions in the test. If the MBTI theory is correct, three results should come from the factor analysis. First, the results should show that there are four clusters, or factors, of questions. Each of the questions within a factor will be highly correlated with the other questions in the factor. Moreover, the questions within the factor should be related to the MBTI dimension that is measured. For example, a question like "I like to be the life
of a party" should be in the factor related to extroversion-introversion.

Secondly, we would expect each factor to be independent of the other factors, inasmuch as the MBTI theory states that each of the four preference dimensions stands alone. That is, questions within one factor should not correlate with questions in the other factors. If two factors are correlated, it means they are probably measuring the same thing.

Finally, we would expect that the factors would account for most of the differences among individuals. Here is an example that will illustrate this point. A test consisting of many unrelated questions would produce no consistent pattern in the differences among the people tested, and we would say that there is a large amount of measurement error. If, however, the questions are highly related, there should be consistent patterns that can be accounted for by the test, and the measurement error would be relatively small.

Research on the factor analysis of the MBTI has not produced convincing results. In one study, based on the results of l,29l college aged students, six different factors were found.10 In addition, the study authors found a high level of measurement error. Specifically, 83 percent of the differences among the students could not be accounted for by the MBTI. The results led the authors to the conclude that the factors found in the statistical analysis were inconsistent with the MBTI theory. In other studies, researchers found that the JP and the SN scales are correlated with one another.

In sum, the statistical analysis of the test does not support the theory used to describe the MBTI. Relation Between MBTI Type and Occupation. Many people have examined the relation between type and occupation by examining the proportions of type within each profession. For example, one might observe that many
elementary teachers are ESTJs and conclude that ESTJs prefer to be elementary school teachers or to work in a related occupation. Although it sounds appealing, such a conclusion runs into many fundamental problems. First, we need to examine the normative data to judge the relation between type and profession. For example, the
proportion of ESTJs in the teaching profession is the same as the proportion of ESTJs in the general population, or 12 percent. This similarity suggest that there is nothing special about the type of person who becomes an elementary school teacher.

Another problem stems from jobs that are dominated by men or women. Nursing is a good example. If we compare the distribution of type for nurses against managers, there appears to be a different pattern of type. We could conclude that certain types are more likely to enter nursing while other types are more likely to become managers.
There is, however, an alternative interpretation. Nursing has been and remains a profession dominated by women. There is a high correlation (r = .91) be tween the percentages of types for all women and people in nursing. The correlation between all men and people in nursing is, by contrast, small (r= .21). In a male dominated profession such as management, there is a high correlation between types in management positions and men in general (r=.92), but a smaller correlation for women (r = 60).12 If it is true that certain types are attracted to certain professions, then
these correlations should be much smaller. Instead, these data suggest that the proportion of MBTI types within each occupation is equivalent to that within a random sample of the population.

Finally, there is no evidence to show a positive relation between MBTI type and success within an occupation. That is, there is nothing to show that ESFPs are better or worse salespeople than INTJs are. Nor is there any data to suggest that specific types are more satisfied within specific occupations than are other types, or that they stay longer in one occupation than do others.

In summary, it appears that the MBTI does not conform to many of the basic standards expected of psychological tests. Many very specific predictions about the MBTI have not been confirmed or have been proved wrong. There is no obvious evidence that there are 16 unique categories in which all people can be placed. There is no evidence that scores generated by the MBTI reflect the stable and unchanging personality traits that are claimed to be measured. Finally, there is no evidence that the MBTI measures anything of value.

Now, you'd likely be mistaken if you dismissed everything suggested by the MBTI, but in light of the evidence above, do you really want to think about it in terms of an absolute understanding? I personally find the MBTI a very useful way of thinking, but if it was descriptive of reality, it would not be difficult to support. Scientists can all but prove the existence of the Higgs Boson, they'd be able to test the veracity of some simple behavioural predictions no problem.
 
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