Understanding complexity

[QSR]

It's my theory that INTP's are better than most types at understanding that the world is far more complex than some people give it credit for. We tend not to see things in absolutes and black and white, or in terms of good and bad. There are no "Best Practices", rather how we choose to attack an issue depends on its context and the understanding that what we know about a problem is inherently incomplete.

So I'm wondering what other's thoughts on this idea are. Also, how do you communicate to other people that their understanding of an issue and their stringent guidelines are incomplete at best?

 

[echoplex]

I think people often fill the gaps with their emotional attachments to things and people. While I can't really blame people for their attachments, I'm disappointed when they can't see how easily blinded they are by them.

So, in other words, even if most people understood the world's complexity, I doubt they'd care to look past their immediate attachments. (myself included, at times)

 

[Anthile]

I don't think that "understanding complexity" is INTP only. It seems evident at all types with N but even more so at those with IN.
But right, INTP seek for maximum detachment and neutrality to gain informations as "unfiltered" as possible.

 

[LucasM]

For me, it seems that the more I learn, the more complex things get, but the simpler they get. Now if I can just find that one governing equation...
Perhaps I'm idealistic, but I believe it is all very simple in actuality.
Shades of grey exist to enrich our experience, not overwhelm, as long as the basics are remembered.

 

[Bluey]

One thing that gets to me is people being close minded about religion. When you think about it, usually the only reason people believe in that religion is because it was something that was bored into their brains ever since they can remember.

I'm considering becoming a Buddist and I thought my friend was open minded enough for me to tell her but then she's like why? And I say, because I want to. No, no, no such a simple reason will not do. "Well religion isn't really like that, like I want a religion so I chose this one." Then she starts speaking about some buddism she barely knows which she said she didn't really understand when our classmate explained it her. She made some ignorant comments, such as a common misconception that they worship the budda. But feel free to correct me if necessary but I'm pretty sure the sources I've been reading from are correct.

I've been reasearching buddism for a week now and something I love about it is, it's not like you have to believe something about it just because it's part of the religion, you are free to doubt and find out for yourself. You don't have to blindly follow it just because.

Religion is usually a touchy matter for almost all people and when I make a comment where I suggest something otherwise or doubt, all I get is mad fire about how they're right. But then again I live in NC, the south which amplifies it. I'm like take a chill pill, why can't we calmly share our views and consider others? In CA the people I met there were more open about religion. So anyway, now I've learned when it comes to religion, just don't talk about it with others who have different views because 99.5% of the population can't take it. Sorry you guys, a bit off topic. But that's the INTPness shining through!

 

[FacetiousPersona]

I don't think that "understanding complexity" is INTP only. It seems evident at all types with N but even more so at those with IN.
But right, INTP seek for maximum detachment and neutrality to gain informations as "unfiltered" as possible.

INTP is reported to be specifically correlated with 5 on the enneagram of personality thory. A common desire of the five type is their need for comprehension of their environment. They may acquire this through books or observations. If this correlation is accurate, I would not be surprised to discover that there is a higher frequency (on average, of course) of INTPs wishing to understand the Universe and other complexities around them.

Essentially, it would be the INTP's nature to seek an understanding of the world - perhaps increasing their ability to achieve this. Maybe innate abilities are connected with these desires, but we cannot be entirely certain.

I have read that INTPs are fascinated with intricite systems, which would certainly lead them towards the fields of theoretical physics and mathematics. Aspects of these aim to explain large systems through models, etc. The theoretical possibilities in these fields would attract the typical INTP's mind for sure. They enter a complex field which is open for them to theorize within and analyze current theories. It is the same as an INTP being interested in creating a functioning script via code as a computer programmer. The script could easily be considered a system which functions when all of the elements are coherent.

 

[Misanthrope]

I haven't concluded, yet, that INTP is the best at communicating our visions, nor that our visions are always practical. I have tried, to laboriously feed information (bit by bit) to people who either aren't interested, or aren't capable of understanding the points I mention. On occasion, I run across someone who comprehends, but usually it is on small things and the progression is not significant. I don't make a habit of trying to convince anyone of anything. Telling someone that they are ignorant usually results in bad results.

I await a better audience or a stronger message.

 

[Genocidalx]

One thing that gets to me is people being close minded about religion. When you think about it, usually the only reason people believe in that religion is because it was something that was bored into their brains ever since they can remember.

I'm considering becoming a Buddist and I thought my friend was open minded enough for me to tell her but then she's like why? And I say, because I want to. No, no, no such a simple reason will not do. "Well religion isn't really like that, like I want a religion so I chose this one." Then she starts speaking about some buddism she barely knows which she said she didn't really understand when our classmate explained it her. She made some ignorant comments, such as a common misconception that they worship the budda. But feel free to correct me if necessary but I'm pretty sure the sources I've been reading from are correct.

I've been reasearching buddism for a week now and something I love about it is, it's not like you have to believe something about it just because it's part of the religion, you are free to doubt and find out for yourself. You don't have to blindly follow it just because.

Religion is usually a touchy matter for almost all people and when I make a comment where I suggest something otherwise or doubt, all I get is mad fire about how they're right. But then again I live in NC, the south which amplifies it. I'm like take a chill pill, why can't we calmly share our views and consider others? In CA the people I met there were more open about religion. So anyway, now I've learned when it comes to religion, just don't talk about it with others who have different views because 99.5% of the population can't take it. Sorry you guys, a bit off topic. But that's the INTPness shining through!

As far as belief systems go, I only believe one thing certainly: Beliefs are a product of the mating of thought and feeling. One who is honest with himself has no control over what he believes, an so one cannot be persecuted or condemned for their beliefs.

They're simply not things that can be manufactured and equipped with any sort of worth or conviction. But, true belief is difficult and dangerous to define.