Un-INTPness

[naberus]

I curious to know what is it you guys do (individually speaking) that you consider un-INTP?

 

[Jules]

Is this thread meant to be a long list of non-INTP behaviors?

erhhh.... competing in a popularity contest is not very INTP-like, for example...

 

[cheese]

^I think he meant which parts of each of us do not fit within the sterotypical INTP profile.

I have strong emotions, which I am aware of and can identify.
I often make really silly decisions based on self-esteem/laziness issues.
I don't hate small talk anymore, because I've realised it's enjoyable in its own way and can on occasion be a prelude to Big Talk.
I am often scared of using my brain to think and analyse in depth, even though I find it exciting and rewarding.
I am big on morals and principles.

(I might be INFP though, but I'm sticking with INTP for now.)

 

[Jules]

I am aware of the question but not of the purpose of asking it.
I mean, if you look at the different descriptions of the types then I'm sure you can figure out what kind of behavior is non-INTP. So what is naberus really looking for? Surely not a list of non-INTP behavior?

 

[cheese]

A list of non-INTP behaviour that's specific to INTPs. Perhaps INTPs are more susceptible to being non-INTP in certain ways and not others (eg an apple resembles an orange more than a banana). Perhaps also these behaviours are actually INTP and simply not taken into account in typical profiles. This is my guess anyway.

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

A list of non-INTP behaviour that's specific to INTPs. Perhaps INTPs are more susceptible to being non-INTP in certain ways and not others

perhaps Perception gives us power to deviate from normal behavior

 

[cheese]

^How do you mean?

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

open-minded to other ideas so we may incorporate foreign elements into ourselves

 

[cheese]

Oh yes I see what you mean. So that assumes the non-INTP behaviour isn't natural.

 

[naberus]

I am aware of the question but not of the purpose of asking it.
I mean, if you look at the different descriptions of the types then I'm sure you can figure out what kind of behavior is non-INTP. So what is naberus really looking for? Surely not a list of non-INTP behavior?

What I'm looking for is a small list of non-INTP behaviour specific to each person.
Cheese is correct...

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

Oh yes I see what you mean. So that assumes the non-INTP behaviour isn't natural.

correct, but we have acquired these idiosyncracies. like gender is innate and weight is ultimately acquired through crapulance or inactivity.

i believe personality type to be natural somewhere in our minds chemicals bond in a certain way to influence behavior. the world needs all types so it has created them

 

[cheese]

Yes, I agree that personality is natural.

I think that we also have non-INTP behaviour that is natural to us, ie it's not all acquired. The combination of the two gives rise to individuality among those of the same type. Either way I suppose it fits into the question.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I can at times be very outgoing and forward with people. I also can make conclusions and act on them fairly easily.

 

[cheese]

IA:
Do you think this is natural to you, or have you developed it over your life?

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

Yes, I agree that personality is natural.

I think that we also have non-INTP behaviour that is natural to us, ie it's not all acquired. The combination of the two gives rise to individuality among those of the same type. Either way I suppose it fits into the question.

Agree with you


to answer directly your question:

i think confidence has been built throughout his life and he is more comfortable in his own skin (unlike younger INTPs, who are insecure and discontent)

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

IA:
Do you think this is natural to you, or have you developed it over your life?

I'd have to say a lot of my behavior is aquired. I'm relatively new to the MBTI understanding so I never knew that some of my behavior was natural for my type. All types have their positives and negatives and some of the negatives about myself, I tried to change. With limited success. The two traits I mentioned however, are some I've had to work on some but seemed natural to me when I did. Other things I tried to change felt so very very wrong.

 

[cheese]

Yes, this seems to be a usual path of development for INTPs. When young they can be quite unpleasant because of strong and unmitigated Ti, and socially awkward I.

IA:
So you were probably either working within your four main preferences, or had natural albeit weak inclinations, specific to yourself, in those directions.

So far Seducer and I also have these same inclinations. Maybe the potential for their development is contained within the INTP preferences.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

Youth sucks. I sympathize with all INTPs going through it. You want the world to make better sense and yet it refuses to do so.

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

IA???

I am young, and unpleasant. a constant Melancholy do i feel in my gut everyday. i am much deeper and darker than anyone else even near my age, so much shit gathered up in my head.

 

[cheese]

I find youths more challenging.

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

i fear depression in later life

(going now unfortunately, might come on later tonight during artwork)

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

i fear depression in later life

(going now unfortunately, might come on later tonight during artwork)

Depression came in my 20s. I got over it though. Soth? You remind me of me at your age. No, I'm not trying to be deviously mean when I say that

Good luck with your project.

 

[cheese]

Just drawing this back to the topic: are INTPs prone to depression? I am. I think other members have mentioned something along these lines too. This isn't part of the profile though.

Seducer:
Does the melancholy stem from your thoughts or does it just spring into being on its own?

Have fun with whatever you're doing!

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I can't say all INTPs get depressed but I think it is safe to say that we are more prone to suffer from it than most types. I think it may stem in part from our being so different than most types. Our rarity makes us feel odd, outcast. We think the world should opperate in what we see as better ways and yet it doesn't. Understanding how other types work as well as understanding our own can lead to at least an acceptance of things and that is an important step in avoiding depression.

That's my 3 cents worth. 50% more valuable than 2 cents

 

[cheese]

Ooh, value!

That makes sense, especially when you consider that Ts do have emotions, they just suppress them. It's difficult to remember this sometimes because quite a few INTPs say their default emotional state is blah, and they do not feel strong emotions.

And yes, understanding is really extremely helpful. I became a lot happier after typing myself because I made sense, and it wasn't a horrible freakish sense either. (I'm going through a bit of a crisis now trying to decide between T and F, but even so, at least N and P are sorted!)

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I've tested very close to S to some degree or other. I think it affects me in that sometimes I crave experience. Another un-INTP trait I get.

 

[cheese]

Maybe the craving is a result of playful Ne.

I am quite S as well. Si though not Se.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I'm not a strong I either (65-35). I prefer staying here at home by myself but sometimes I feel a need to get out and be with friends, family etc. From some, I think it is more of a 'have to' rather than a need.

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

Seducer:
Does the melancholy stem from your thoughts or does it just spring into being on its own?

I would say my thoughts are very self deprecating and misanthropic. i consider mortality and my absolute fear of not reaching my goals. so i would say thoughts.
i also have many exams to stress over which dosen't help. i suppose being surrounded by people (even close friends) who just don't Understand.

i can be happy, but darker thoughts seem to be coming more frequently. there is so much pent up emotion in me that i just can't convey in my artwork. this torures me, i am going to write a page or two delving into these emotions to side the art, so it can be understood further.

i am known throughout school for being 'Random', but in everything i do there is a logic (at least personal logic). a logic so broad and flexible as to appear random to those who don't understand

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

from what i have observed, INTP's (along probably with a couple others) are known as a group that can't be grouped, a group that is only a group because (despite same skeletal formation) our idiosyncracies are vaster.

Our Perception and Chameleon tendencies provides us with such a wide and individual array of influences we are truly unique beings.

 

[FF]

There's quite a few things I do that are not INTP-like.

1. Watch America's Next Top Model religiously.
2. Wear makeup, and refuse to leave the house without it on (unless said house is on fire)
3. Use the word "like" a lot in everyday speech (my internet-speak is nothing like my IRL-speak)
4. Take tons of pictures of myself, and love it when others take pictures of me.

As for everything else I do, it's quite INTP-like.

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

3. Use the word "like" a lot in everyday speech (my internet-speak is nothing like my IRL-speak)

The ULTIMATE SIN!

may God Disown You and all your Impish Posterity



...sorry

 

[FF]

The ULTIMATE SIN!

may God Disown You and all your Impish Posterity



...sorry

That's alright, god has probably already disowned me

And I grew up in a rich-bitch valley in California, so what can I say? I am cursed with the Like, OMG! Disorder...

The fact that my hair is blonde doesn't really help me much, either.

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

the 'Rich-Bitch California' is probably the outside influence that gave you those particular idiosyncracies

and as Dolly Parton once said...

"i don't mind the Dumb Blonde comments, because i'm not Dumb, and i'm not Blonde"

 

[sagewolf]

3. Use the word "like" a lot in everyday speech (my internet-speak is nothing like my IRL-speak)

Same thing, except I think my preferred phrase is "I mean, it's that". It's a way of stalling when I can't think instead of letting silence fall, if I don't want to be cut off during the conversation.

1) I make (always bad) decisions based on what feels right/wrong to me, rather than what the sensible thing is.
2) I place a lot of value on the opinions of people I like (i.e., I want them to like me too, and I fear making them dislike me).
3) I attempt to start conversations with other people around me quite often (never really succeed, though).
4) I'm sensitive to the expectations and attitudes/moods of the people around me.
5) I have an idealistic streak that never allows me to be pessimistic or cynical for long.

...I have annoyingly developed F functions. If my Fi weren't so horribly immature, I'd say I was nearly INFP.

 

[Cegorach]

1. People like me.
2. I have friend-like things.
3. I'm toned... not muscular yet.
4. It's difficult to get me to say anything serious.
5. I'm not actually a robot.
6. I didn't have a computer until a year ago.
7. I cross-dress! (Just kidding)
8. I actually liked FacetiousPersona, unlike most of you bastards.

It is highly probable that I am a God and that FacetiousPersona was a demon, combined we became a conventional Non-Deity.
If FP is banned I will be compelled to smite all of you heathens!

 

[FF]

8. I actually liked FacetiousPersona, unlike most of you bastards.

It is highly probable that I am a God and that FacetiousPersona was a demon, combined we became a conventional Non-Deity.
If FP is banned I will be compelled to smite all of you heathens!

I liked FP too, but now that you called me a bastard, I have no reason to like you.

You forgot #9. (You forgot you're very immature.)

 

[FF]

...I have annoyingly developed F functions. If my Fi weren't so horribly immature, I'd say I was nearly INFP.

I do as well, but I don't think I had those when I was younger.

sagewolf, are you male or female?

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

female

 

[Cegorach]

I liked FP too, but now that you called me a bastard, I have no reason to like you.

You forgot #9. (You forgot you're very immature.)

If you refuse to accept me I'll be forced to pretend to be sad... Heh, actually I like you, but I'm just in the mood to be exceedingly sarcastic.

IMMATURE?! Fair enough. I'm quite capable of being serious, but I must balance the scale of sophistication, It is my calling.
(A lot of people take themselves too seriously.)

 

[cheese]

I have a strong need to connect with people as well. It's not always present but it is frequent enough. A lot of the time though I suspect it stems from a desire to avoid work!

Seducer:
It gets better, truly it does. You may always have the seeds of this struggle, but it's likely to gradually recede.

I suppose INTPs might be more more "prone" to individuality because we're more mentally independent than some of the other types. I don't feel comfortable with assuming superiority however.

I am also an idealist, a generally happy person (especially since MBTI), silly, driven to lighten people up, empathetic, patient and speak nothing like this except with other NTs. It's amazing how much more me I feel with NTs. With the others it's like I'm only half there. Attempts to reveal more INTPness are usually stilted and possibly viewed as pretentious. It's difficult to fully reconcile your persona, which is usually limited, with the private/less socially savoury parts of yourself.

 

[Cegorach]

I have a strong need to connect with people as well. It's not always present but it is frequent enough. A lot of the time though I suspect it stems from a desire to avoid work!

Seducer:
It gets better, truly it does. You may always have the seeds of this struggle, but it's likely to gradually recede.

I suppose INTPs might be more more "prone" to individuality because we're more mentally independent than some of the other types. I don't feel comfortable with assuming superiority however.

I am also an idealist, a generally happy person (especially since MBTI), silly, driven to lighten people up, empathetic, patient and speak nothing like this except with other NTs. It's amazing how much more me I feel with NTs. With the others it's like I'm only half there. Attempts to reveal more INTPness are usually stilted and possibly viewed as pretentious. It's difficult to fully reconcile your persona, which is usually limited, with the private/less socially savoury parts of yourself.

You and me do have alot in common, minus the idealism, if I were less immature these same words may have been expelled from my very mouth!

 

[Seducer of the Homeless]

Seducer:
It gets better, truly it does. You may always have the seeds of this struggle, but it's likely to gradually recede.

I suppose INTPs might be more more "prone" to individuality because we're more mentally independent than some of the other types. I don't feel comfortable with assuming superiority however.

I am also an idealist, a generally happy person (especially since MBTI), silly, driven to lighten people up, empathetic, patient and speak nothing like this except with other NTs. It's amazing how much more me I feel with NTs. With the others it's like I'm only half there. Attempts to reveal more INTPness are usually stilted and possibly viewed as pretentious. It's difficult to fully reconcile your persona, which is usually limited, with the private/less socially savoury parts of yourself.

last two paragraphs are completly shared in opinion. What gets better? depression? while you have been offline i have posted constantly. i cant remember what i was sad about

 

[cheese]

^Hahahaha! Yes, I meant the depression, and the pent-up emotions and general feeling of darkness. Good to see you seem to be over it!

Cow:
Yes I felt the same about your post. Did you notice I stole some of your ideas? (people too serious etc) I seem to have a lot in common with ENTPs.
Oh I liked Face too!

 

[Cegorach]

I wasn't aware I had left any ideas worth stealing! (*Note to self* Refain from making sense...ever.)
Haha, seriously though, I should post something that sounds intelligent otherwise people are gonna get pissed off.

 

[cheese]

Seriously though, you sound like the jolly version of Face.

 

[FF]

If you refuse to accept me I'll be forced to pretend to be sad... Heh, actually I like you, but I'm just in the mood to be exceedingly sarcastic.

IMMATURE?! Fair enough. I'm quite capable of being serious, but I must balance the scale of sophistication, It is my calling.
(A lot of people take themselves too seriously.)

Alright, I understand. But try not to overdose on the smilies...it's rather harmful to the INTP eyes...

 

[Ermine]

*gasp* not the anti INTP-ness!

Well, I've been told I have a great sense of fashion, I'm driven to succeed in whatever I do, and I'm not incredibly interested in most philosophy.

 

[Ghost1986]

i have a hard time controlling my emotions so far as hatred and anger go. i can even control my depression most of the time.

i dislike learning so far as university goes. or more accurately i hate writing the reports. that reminds me i have about 5 due in the next 2 weeks.

i have a strange need to feel important, yet i hate being the center of attention.

 

[dwags222]

i have a strange need to feel important, yet i hate being the center of attention.

i think this may be a common intp attribute.