Ubermensch

[edmaster111]

Do you people know any modern philosophers/scientist who talk about the universe and similar things?

 

[onesteptwostep]

It depends on what sense of the 'universe' you're talking about. If you're talking about the physical cosmology of the universe, there's plenty of astrophysists who can tell you about the make up of the stars and the length of time of the universe and how it has expanded, and the make up of other galaxies and how light travels between these galaxies and so on.

If you're talking about the universe in terms of its purpose, there's a philosophical category called 'teleology' which groups people who've talked about these things, about life and so on.

If you're talking about the human being itself, the term is ontology, and many philosophers throughout the written human record have talked and developed upon this.

Most philosophers now talk about the critical effects of people who have talked about the universe and similar things, namely, the program called 'enlightenment'. Modern philosophers talk about whether or not we've lived up to those standards philosophers in the past have talked about or whether that project was impossible or unachievable.

The title of your thread here, 'ubermensch', falls under an existential philosopher who could fall under a group of people who have stood against the enlightenment project, launched by their predecessor philosophers.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

Honestly past and modern philosophers have had so many ideas that we haven't explored fully when they can be applied to the present in many ways. This is why they are still relevant, at least in the circle of philosophers.

A lot of these pressing philosophical questions about the nature of reality aren't mainstream. Something that caught my interest is process philosophy. Once you try to understand process philosophy, you'll understand why it's something that isn't mainstream.

 

[birdsnestfern]

Just my uncle, who was a professor at Michigan State and San Jose State and he would do lectures and bring his students and fellow professors home to have big talk and music jam parties. They talked all night and played music all night. Radical Geography which had some wild ideas in it with all the top professors and students. It was kind of like a Movement in the sixties.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/social-sciences/radical-geography

 

[dr froyd]

modern thinkers on existence don't exist, all we have is half-wits like Steven Pinker, or even worse - clueless pop-science bullshitters like Nel deGrasse tyson.

no you would have to go back to the classics - Heidegger, Sartre, Camus, Nietszche, etc

 

[Black Rose]

What is Reality movie from the scientist behind the E8 Theory.

 

[ZenRaiden]

This is true nature of Ubermensch

 

[ZenRaiden]

modern thinkers on existence don't exist, all we have is half-wits like

Half wits is used like a insult, and lets be real its enlightened state of mind.
Tyson and Pinker are happy mofos.
It makes me wonder if it makes people happy.

 

[dr froyd]

modern thinkers on existence don't exist, all we have is half-wits like

Half wits is used like a insult, and lets be real its enlightened state of mind.
Tyson and Pinker are happy mofos.
It makes me wonder if it makes people happy.

halfwit was a bit over the top, i meant to say midwit - these are sort of middle-of-the-curve people who try hard to appear intellectual. I do not think hey are happy, as shown in this graph:

 

[ZenRaiden]

halfwit was a bit over the top, i meant to say midwit - these are sort of middle-of-the-curve people who try hard to appear intellectual. I do not think hey are happy, as shown in this graph:

That is pure science of happiness right there.
Yeah what is happy?

 

[ZenRaiden]

Do you people know any modern philosophers/scientist who talk about the universe and similar things?

Its actually something I never explored, because to me the domain that fits this is cosmology, and that is rather modern science, where people literally form theories and ideas about the universe as a physical formed space and body by empirically looking into the space around us, using telescopes.

If you have any specific ideas or question you want to explore that would narrow it down.

There is some freaky ideas out there.
The digital universe.
Holographic universe.
The universe that is formed by our own thoughts and perceptions etc.
I don't know if any of this is useful to us here on Earth though it depends I guess whether there is something out there that could make us understand stuff.

My general understanding that philosophers don't know anything about the universe as such.

They can only think about it, but thinking about universe without having some data about it is religion. No matter how rational we can be about it.

 

[ZenRaiden]

halfwit was a bit over the top, i meant to say midwit - these are sort of middle-of-the-curve people who try hard to appear intellectual. I do not think hey are happy, as shown in this graph:

Most smart people don't even know they are smart. Here is listed of gifted people ergo very smart people, in school settings.
Only one type fits the "gifted" ergo is recognized in school settings. Others are not.
I think I mostly fit the underground type.

Midwit is term used for people who are smarter than general, but fall short of really doing smart stuff, but I am not sure this is realistic term.
I saw the term midwit connected to academic performance mostly.
I find that rather one dimensional stake of performance in wordly prospects.

Also there are so many super smart people with say 4 degrees from super prestigious schools just doing reg jobs, because being smart is glamorized, but often that lifestyle just sucks. Unless you are Steven Hawking that is.

 

[Black Rose]

IQ:

1 in 10
1 in 100
1 in 1,000

In terms of The Uberman, they create their own values.

 

[edmaster111]

why does it take a long time to get him in power what u think blackrose

good song bro haha

 

[dr froyd]

Also there are so many super smart people with say 4 degrees from super prestigious schools just doing reg jobs, because being smart is glamorized, but often that lifestyle just sucks. Unless you are Steven Hawking that is.

i think most smart people just take the path of least resistance in life, just like most other people. If you're some math whizzkid you'll probably just get hired as a human calculator by AT&T or something.

to take interesting life choices - now that requires wisdom, philosophy, decisive action

 

[edmaster111]

"This spirit affirmatively takes into itself the most painful aspects of existence. For this spirit, suffering is not a means to a transcendent, holy existence, because being in this world is itself holy enough to justify a tremendous amount of suffering. He can smile in the face of the most terrible thought—meaningless, aimless existence recurring eternally.” - Nietzsche

What u guys think?

 

[onesteptwostep]

Nietzsche was a poor thinker, he didn't use his rational faculties for the betterment of society but used it for literary prose for his own personal feelings. Existentialists in general did not contribute much to society. They orphaned spiritual orphans and only wrought chaos to societies. See France's riots in the 60s or the nihilism in modern suburban America.

 

[Black Rose]

Nietzsche was a poor thinker, he didn't use his rational faculties for the betterment of society but used it for literary prose for his own personal feelings. Existentialists in general did not contribute much to society. They orphaned spiritual orphans and only wrought chaos to societies.

A spiritual void exists because a spiritual void is possible.

You cannot deny that laws of spirituality exist; if they exist, then this deep magic cannot be ignored with puppies and rainbows.

The mass wars that followed were prophetic to what exactly happened because human beings are animals and animals' needs were never satisfied by the bible or science. postmodernism is the resulting failure of humans not to understand psychology. people think we can blame others when it is a spiritual law that the condition of the human comes first by the dependant arising of matter and energy.

These dependencies will not allow suffering only if the laws are obeyed.

You are born in the place you are and become who you are as physics deems.

The gnostics then had the right answers in the wrong conclusions.

We are trapped as spirits, not because of a fall but because we did arise unconsciously out of primordial chaos.

This was not planned by a deity, this happened and we must overcome it.

 

[dr froyd]

"This spirit affirmatively takes into itself the most painful aspects of existence. For this spirit, suffering is not a means to a transcendent, holy existence, because being in this world is itself holy enough to justify a tremendous amount of suffering. He can smile in the face of the most terrible thought—meaningless, aimless existence recurring eternally.” - Nietzsche

What u guys think?

i think its brilliant

it is of course in contrast to religion where suffering is supposed to be just something you endure while waiting to get to heaven where everything is nice and you get to eat cake every day. The ubermensch doesn't need that shid, he embraces physical life in all its glory, even if its full of dirt.

 

[Black Rose]

embraces physical life in all its glory, even if its full of dirt.

we are born from our mother who is made of the earth

 

[edmaster111]

so Nietzsche was a positive philosopher right

 

[dr froyd]

so Nietzsche was a positive philosopher right

absolutely

some people think he was some sort of nihilist, which is the opposite of what he was. He viewed nihlism as a stepping stone from the anti-life logic of christianity to real enlightenment, the ubermensch state

 

[Black Rose]

so Nietzsche was a positive philosopher right

absolutely

some people think he was some sort of nihilist, which is the opposite of what he was. He viewed nihlism as a stepping stone from the anti-life logic of christianity to real enlightenment, the ubermensch state

"God", I said to my friend, will communicate with you if they exist and want to, otherwise, Christianity no longer serves as a contribution to society. It cannot help us make society better if it insists on keeping people ignorant of the science of the psycho/physical health of the biological organism.

 

[edmaster111]

what can the ubermensch do? Will he start a youtube channel or be a cam model or what?

 

[dr froyd]

what can the ubermensch do? Will he start a youtube channel or be a cam model or what?

yes he will make the most awesome onlyfans account ever

 

[onesteptwostep]

Nietzsche was a poor thinker, he didn't use his rational faculties for the betterment of society but used it for literary prose for his own personal feelings. Existentialists in general did not contribute much to society. They orphaned spiritual orphans and only wrought chaos to societies.

A spiritual void exists because a spiritual void is possible.

You cannot deny that laws of spirituality exist; if they exist, then this deep magic cannot be ignored with puppies and rainbows.

The mass wars that followed were prophetic to what exactly happened because human beings are animals and animals' needs were never satisfied by the bible or science. postmodernism is the resulting failure of humans not to understand psychology. people think we can blame others when it is a spiritual law that the condition of the human comes first by the dependant arising of matter and energy.

These dependencies will not allow suffering only if the laws are obeyed.

You are born in the place you are and become who you are as physics deems.

The gnostics then had the right answers in the wrong conclusions.

We are trapped as spirits, not because of a fall but because we did arise unconsciously out of primordial chaos.

This was not planned by a deity, this happened and we must overcome it.

I don't see an argument in this post.

 

[onesteptwostep]

Nietszche's works is as useful as the story of Batman. Sure, it helped some comic nerds enjoy literature.

Then what.

 

[edmaster111]

what can the ubermensch do? Will he start a youtube channel or be a cam model or what?

yes he will make the most awesome onlyfans account ever

how do you know

 

[Black Rose]

I don't see an argument in this post.

What do you see?

Nietszche's works is as useful as the story of Batman. Sure, it helped some comic nerds enjoy literature.

Then what.

The first step in understanding what to do is to know where you are.

Nietzsche has allowed us to see Jesus is not coming back such that worldwide he will be king in some physical temple and we should try and fix humanity in a different way than just praying or converting people.

It may be we need to change the human being the way we changed the horse or the dog. A domestication program of sorts. This program has been happening since after the end of the world war in 1945.

We thought at first that economically in the USA we should create a consumerism society to counterbalance the Great Depression. But this also led to the nihilism of the masses when people had many psychological wounds and domestic abuse from the war.

At first it was working, we had more goods but we needed a planned society. Then Vietnam happened and then 9/11 and then the 2008 crash then covid. People became drug addicts and the prison population increased. Today tic tok and other internet addictions restrict the development of young minds. Christianity will do nothing to solve this.

Nietzsche proposed the Uberman to take over and bring the earth into a new state of being creating a new era of civilization. So far this does not seem to be happening. But what is happening is that we can understand what an uberman brain is. 1 in 1,000 people can hold 16 items in their working memory at once. They follow 16 instructions at the same time concurrently. But this is not the top uberman, the top uberman is like Iron Man holding 25 processes in their heads all happening together. only 10 people on the earth can do this. so the uberman exists but what is the uberman for?

well, Iron Man is a superhero because he creates technology. So is Batman.

together they run society and though they are only fictional, real people like them exist. they are only on in 1,000 IQ but they run part of the world program for what happens globally. just like Wyne Industries and Stark Industries.

 

[ZenRaiden]

i think most smart people just take the path of least resistance in life, just like most other people. If you're some math whizzkid you'll probably just get hired as a human calculator by AT&T or something.

to take interesting life choices - now that requires wisdom, philosophy, decisive action

Sad thing is no matter how smart the kid is you get fast tracked into whatever insert box, humanity or parent feels like is best way to contribute.
IQ is not experience.
Even with IQ 400 you still have to learn to be a individual and learn from day to day experiences. There are considerable pitfalls to being smart, that most people today don't even know about.
Kind of like some parents will decide you need to be the next footballer, because hey, they get money and bitches, and they win at life. Usually its just parental push.
I always resisted to be pushed into anything, and ended up doing nothing in life.
Not even realizing this was the case.

 

[onesteptwostep]

I don't see an argument in this post.

What do you see?

Nietszche's works is as useful as the story of Batman. Sure, it helped some comic nerds enjoy literature.

Then what.

The first step in understanding what to do is to know where you are.

Nietzsche has allowed us to see Jesus is not coming back such that worldwide he will be king in some physical temple and we should try and fix humanity in a different way than just praying or converting people.

It may be we need to change the human being the way we changed the horse or the dog. A domestication program of sorts. This program has been happening since after the end of the world war in 1945.

We thought at first that economically in the USA we should create a consumerism society to counterbalance the Great Depression. But this also led to the nihilism of the masses when people had many psychological wounds and domestic abuse from the war.

At first it was working, we had more goods but we needed a planned society. Then Vietnam happened and then 9/11 and then the 2008 crash then covid. People became drug addicts and the prison population increased. Today tic tok and other internet addictions restrict the development of young minds. Christianity will do nothing to solve this.

Nietzsche proposed the Uberman to take over and bring the earth into a new state of being creating a new era of civilization. So far this does not seem to be happening. But what is happening is that we can understand what an uberman brain is. 1 in 1,000 people can hold 16 items in their working memory at once. They follow 16 instructions at the same time concurrently. But this is not the top uberman, the top uberman is like Iron Man holding 25 processes in their heads all happening together. only 10 people on the earth can do this. so the uberman exists but what is the uberman for?

well, Iron Man is a superhero because he creates technology. So is Batman.

together they run society and though they are only fictional, real people like them exist. they are only on in 1,000 IQ but they run part of the world program for what happens globally. just like Wyne Industries and Stark Industries.

I don't see anything, just flowery language. Have you read any Nietzsche? I have his Will to Power and his Genealogy. They weren't that insightful nor did they forward anything within society during or after his time. Perhaps it would be fruitful if you actually grappled with the content which you are explaining.

 

[Black Rose]

Have you read any Nietzsche? I have his Will to Power and his Genealogy. They weren't that insightful nor did they forward anything within society during or after his time.

Sometimes I think, If we did not look down on others life would be ok.

It would be a nice reality but is not the case.

The only way to better society is to dismiss myths like justice exists in the world.

God will not punish the sinner and he will not reward the follower.

What God will do is cure this mental illness we have that tells us to seek revenge in Gods name. Religion will not last another 50 years where people have this illness.

 

[onesteptwostep]

It's not my job to be a student and a caretaker at the same time. If you want to discuss intellectual progress the utmost basic prerequisite would be to read the material at hand before you make any definitive input. Me pointing that out isn't putting anyone down, it's literally basic common sense. If you want respect you should least subscribe to the bare basics. Nietzsches works are like 10 bucks on kindle, it isn't a mammoth task to buy his works.

 

[Black Rose]

It's not my job to be a student and a caretaker at the same time. If you want to discuss intellectual progress the utmost basic prerequisite would be to read the material at hand before you make any definitive input. Me pointing that out isn't putting anyone down, it's literally basic common sense. If you want respect you should least subscribe to the bare basics. Nietzsches works are like 10 bucks on kindle, it isn't a mammoth task to buy his works.

Don't be elitist. Just state what you think. Is Christianity going to solve the world's problems or not?

 

[onesteptwostep]

It's not my job to be a student and a caretaker at the same time. If you want to discuss intellectual progress the utmost basic prerequisite would be to read the material at hand before you make any definitive input. Me pointing that out isn't putting anyone down, it's literally basic common sense. If you want respect you should least subscribe to the bare basics. Nietzsches works are like 10 bucks on kindle, it isn't a mammoth task to buy his works.

Don't be elitist. Just state what you think. Is Christianity going to solve the world's problems or not?

I'm hardly elitist. I have no assets to speak of except my experience, nor do I have a place reserved for the rich and influencial in society.

Christianity isn't the answer to the world's problems. If you believe religion is a societial program, you've severely misunderstood what faith is. Faith does not care whether or not the world is ending, the only matter that faith involves itself is his relation to God, nothing else.

Again, please go learn the basics before you provide input. This entire thread is a waste of time without that prior knowledge.

 

[dr froyd]

onestep has no time to waste, he has too many posts to write about how everyone is too ignorant to discuss anything

 

[Black Rose]

Christianity isn't the answer to the world's problems. If you believe religion is a societial program, you've severely misunderstood what faith is. Faith does not care whether or not the world is ending, the only matter that faith involves itself is his relation to God, nothing else.

Again, please go learn the basics before you provide input.

You do not have the basic love in your heart which is what Christianity is about.

If God is not going to save humanity then he is nothing and faith is nothing.

“It will be bad for you teachers of the law and you Pharisees! You are hypocrites! You give God a tenth of the food you get, even your mint, dill, and cumin. But you don't obey the really important teachings of the law—being fair, showing mercy, and being faithful.

 

[Black Rose]

“For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first”.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Faith does not care whether or not the world is ending, the only matter that faith involves itself is his relation to God, nothing else.

I have heard a lot of Christian say these type of things, like they mean something.
To me the more I read posts of Christians the more I wondered where faith is and what it means. Sounds like ultimate surrender to sky daddy, but then Christians have the audacity to basically socially engineer everything in the same way.
So on one hand its this Christian nihilism "nothing matters, but Christ" and then we must do x y z. Confusing as heck.
Kind of reminds me of this scene.

 

[dr froyd]

as usual, onestep enters a thread, provides a bunch of judgments with zero reasoning or references or anything, then becomes nasty and spends all this time lecturing people on how supposedly ignorant they are

lol ive actually wondered if onestep is some sort of GPT algo which is supposed to be a rude midwit trying to destroy all threads, still undecided on that one

 

[sushi]

It depends on what sense of the 'universe' you're talking about. If you're talking about the physical cosmology of the universe, there's plenty of astrophysists who can tell you about the make up of the stars and the length of time of the universe and how it has expanded, and the make up of other galaxies and how light travels between these galaxies and so on.

If you're talking about the universe in terms of its purpose, there's a philosophical category called 'teleology' which groups people who've talked about these things, about life and so on.

If you're talking about the human being itself, the term is ontology, and many philosophers throughout the written human record have talked and developed upon this.

Most philosophers now talk about the critical effects of people who have talked about the universe and similar things, namely, the program called 'enlightenment'. Modern philosophers talk about whether or not we've lived up to those standards philosophers in the past have talked about or whether that project was impossible or unachievable.

The title of your thread here, 'ubermensch', falls under an existential philosopher who could fall under a group of people who have stood against the enlightenment project, launched by their predecessor philosophers.

survivalism has always been the purpose of the universe, the goal is to survive no matter what nature throws at you. Whether you are alone in the desert, or on another planet.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

"This spirit affirmatively takes into itself the most painful aspects of existence. For this spirit, suffering is not a means to a transcendent, holy existence, because being in this world is itself holy enough to justify a tremendous amount of suffering. He can smile in the face of the most terrible thought—meaningless, aimless existence recurring eternally.” - Nietzsche

What u guys think?

"Existence is a gift, suffering & apathy is a part of that gift, it's not a tool."

I don't know if this is a prescription attitude or if he's making an observation about the nature of man.

Seems to contradict his famous "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" quote. Then again I guess if you assimilate the above attitude you would be more open to such negative experiences.

I usually like Nietzsche too but this kind of seems not profound at all. I guess at best he saying something about the majesty of existence convincing humanity to fall into despair, because despair itself is part of the beauty of life?

But also despair isnt that important because, life is a gift.

That's a weird read though.

 

[onesteptwostep]

Christianity isn't the answer to the world's problems. If you believe religion is a societial program, you've severely misunderstood what faith is. Faith does not care whether or not the world is ending, the only matter that faith involves itself is his relation to God, nothing else.

Again, please go learn the basics before you provide input.

You do not have the basic love in your heart which is what Christianity is about.

If God is not going to save humanity then he is nothing and faith is nothing.

“It will be bad for you teachers of the law and you Pharisees! You are hypocrites! You give God a tenth of the food you get, even your mint, dill, and cumin. But you don't obey the really important teachings of the law—being fair, showing mercy, and being faithful.

We can talk about love once you've engaged with the subject at hand. Christianity is not about love, it is about your relationship with God. If you believe in love so much, why are you not providing that love to my rebuke first?

Practice what you preach, hypocrite. Love comes from mutual respect. If you had love at all, or even respect, you would do the basic thing, such as reading the text which we're talking about.

Please don't a fucking moron, for god's sake. I assume you're almost 30. I don't coddle adults like they're in elementary school. You've past that age where you need attention as if you're a child.

 

[onesteptwostep]

It depends on what sense of the 'universe' you're talking about. If you're talking about the physical cosmology of the universe, there's plenty of astrophysists who can tell you about the make up of the stars and the length of time of the universe and how it has expanded, and the make up of other galaxies and how light travels between these galaxies and so on.

If you're talking about the universe in terms of its purpose, there's a philosophical category called 'teleology' which groups people who've talked about these things, about life and so on.

If you're talking about the human being itself, the term is ontology, and many philosophers throughout the written human record have talked and developed upon this.

Most philosophers now talk about the critical effects of people who have talked about the universe and similar things, namely, the program called 'enlightenment'. Modern philosophers talk about whether or not we've lived up to those standards philosophers in the past have talked about or whether that project was impossible or unachievable.

The title of your thread here, 'ubermensch', falls under an existential philosopher who could fall under a group of people who have stood against the enlightenment project, launched by their predecessor philosophers.

survivalism has always been the purpose of the universe, the goal is to survive no matter what nature throws at you. Whether you are alone in the desert, or on another planet.

That's a dogmatic statement. If the world worked on the survival of the fittest, truth would not exist. Any resemblence of truth would have died for the sake of survival.

 

[Black Rose]

Christianity is not about love

In all respect, you do not respect me at all.

Being an adult is more than just having superior knowledge and using that against others. I have enough knowledge of Nietzsche to know that when the resurrection happens he will be given a special place in heaven because of all the sorrow and suffering he had in his life. He will see his father who was a preacher meet his savior Yeshu. And I believe that when the final judgment comes you and I will not be at war with each other.

 

[Black Rose]

@onesteptwostep

if you want to understand why I am the way I am then watch this video.

A Key Sign of Dissociative Identity Disorder – with Kathy Steele, MN, CS​

 

[Black Rose]

I was told from age 12 that Christians in the end time would be tortured and killed for believing in God. I had constant fears that I would be left behind and that they would kill me. For the past 7 years, I have had episodes of panic attacks because I thought Satan was trying to kill me.

 

[Black Rose]

People call me autistic all the time. I am not.

I was actually in a group home for 2 years because I had no one to take care of me after high school. This December my father figure still thinks I am not a real Christian. And after October 7 I was very scared. My dog almost died one month later when hit by a car. I had to take care of that one person from committing suicide because I was the only one who talked to him via video chat. And If the lightning had not hit the power grid when I was about to watch that video, I do not know what kind of evil videos I would be watching currently.

The Wizard 1989 - MOVIE TRAILER​

 

[Black Rose]

Most Anime I saw was passive glances.

The first anime I saw was Macross at 6 yo.

In the end they had to recolonize earth.

Train 999 I saw when 10 and it made me highly depressed.

The mother was killed in the snow by the robot duke and put as a bust on his matle.

The woman who became a robot was sad she could not feel like in her flesh body anymore.

armitage iii

They had to fight the Mars army because the father of the woman robot did not love her and was doing experiments.

OutlawStar was depressing because the girl said she was only made to grant wishes.

Space wars are sad because it is about families being destroyed.

「Rhythm Emotion」 Anime MV 【Gundam Wing】 Opening Theme 2 (English Sub)


Blue submarine number 6 had sentient creatures in it that were created as bioweapons.

 

[onesteptwostep]

I respect you as a person but I do not respect your ideas. I do not coddle falsehoods. The mere idea that your idea is you is a faslehood in itself. If my way of engaging with you takes a little bit closer for me to help you understand where you are and live up to your potential as a person, I know that what I have done is not in vain. I do this because I believe in the basic goodness of humans themselves. We have the ability to rationalize and to understand, to empathize and to traverse within a temporal spectrum of emotional reality.

Your association with radical groups on other forums beyond this is destructive to your behavior and to your mental well being. You do not have the ability to think from the perspective of another person, only to judge and analyze without having the same experience as some kind of anchor.

Chances are you are on survival mode trying to feed on the information given to you by the internet and you've made this your reality.
Go to church. Go hear God's word. It is better than anything which you expose yourself in the internet. The internet is not primed for wisdom, it is primed for debachaury because there is no real connection.

I've seen you for many years on this forum, and I've watched over you through many different periods. You know who I am and what I truly stand for. If you do not, then perhaps it's time you've taken to other things.