Ubermensch power?

[edmaster111]

How would the ubermensch rise to power ? If he's above humanity how would he do it? Any ideas ?

 

[ZenRaiden]

Why its obvious the nihilistic escalator.

 

[edmaster111]

what?

 

[ZenRaiden]

what?

Same? What the heck you even mean?
Ubermensch is product, that is above norms of certain culture, and defines virtue.
Ergo Christian culture norms. Or slave morality or other things.
Not the other way around.
Therefore you are not ubermensch, or overhuman, by virtue of not having power.
You are overhuman by using power principal to achieve the state.
I think you flipped the script maybe?

 

[edmaster111]

No, I know he's above slave morality. I am asking how he would rise to power as in like political or business world if he is above being constrained, above humanity.

 

[ZenRaiden]

No, I know he's above slave morality. I am asking how he would rise to power as in like political or business world if he is above being constrained, above humanity.

No you don't understand.
I said you are not ubermensch you become one. At least according to Nietzsche that is.
As for business and political I could tell you my opinion, but thats hardly new?
Depends on country or business market you operate on and what actually you define as power?
As far as I know there are plenty ways to do it.
Question is would you want to?

 

[Black Rose]

How many become ubermen and why?

 

[edmaster111]

I just think there is one highest ubermensch

 

[ZenRaiden]

Either way good profile pic lol.

 

[Rook]

the ubermensch will enslave all rats and cockroaches and use them as its spies to gain earth-wide monopoly on all toilet paper, nfts and celebrity sneakers, thus ushering in the Golden Age and putting humanity on the Golden Path as prophesied by Diogenes

none will stand before the ubermensch's uber menschness

I thought this was kinda common knowledge at this point?

Sort of street knowledge already kenned by every sailor and bum around this rock?

 

[edmaster111]

Doesnt answer my question but ok haha

 

[ZenRaiden]

Doesnt answer my question but ok haha

Maybe if Nietzsche had the answer, he would not study philosophy or maybe yes.
Virtue is independent of status I think.
Status however was in Nietzsches time seen as part of vritue, as status often implied virtue even if not true of individual.

Nietzsche also had huge rants, about how Swabians are the best shameless liars, that he hates german music, loved particular type of wine and had lots of advice about how to live healthy.

I suppose his dislike for Christianity might have been personal, but one saying goes anger is bad servant, but brings out the best arguments. (paraphrasing)

 

[scorpiomover]

How would the ubermensch rise to power ? If he's above humanity how would he do it? Any ideas ?

Übermensch is just a German word for "superman". So he would rise to power, the same way as any other super-capable, super-smart person would.

He would present his ideas to his superiors, who would see that his ideas make them much more money and grant them much more success than his colleagues. So he'd get promoted much faster than his peers, and thus his rise to power would be much swifter and greater than his peers.

 

[Rook]

'mensch' means person, human.

the ubermensch will of course be a confluence of divine birth, millennia of non-aristocratic eugenics and continual self genetic modification

the ubermensch will be able to bear children as well as fertilize eggs, becoming brood queen and sire to the billions of New Humans fated to supplant us, the animals

 

[Cognisant]

Übermensch, someone unfettered by the laws of man or God, someone who sees morality in relative terms.

That's pretty common these days, every business owner with employees knows the profitability of their business is the difference between their employee's market value (how much you need to pay them to show up) and the value of their labor to your business. The difference can be huge, say I have a factory CNC milling machines making iPhone frames out of blocks of aluminum, loading the stock material and unloading the product is so simple I could probably train a monkey to do it.

So I'm paying these people minimum wage, the machines are doing most of the work and the products being made are worth 10x the materials, so I'm making tons of money, meanwhile my employees are the working poor.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

For any mental state you think you are capable of entering or any level of detachment from 'humanity' or 'slave morality' there are thousands of people who have already attained and used that same mental state.

You are not unique, you are not above anyone else. If you want to rise above someone you have to be measurably better than your peers who are very similar to you, who have most of the things you have including your morals and thinking.

If you are better than your peers then you are not among peers obviously. Your peers are already competing against peers while you have delusions of greatness.

Now recite Sith code after me...
Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion, I gain Strength.
Through Strength, I gain Power.
Through Power, I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.


I'm happy with this shitpost.

 

[Cognisant]

So I guess passion is like having an obsession, you're passionate about something or someone or some idea or ideal.

Being passionate motivates you to pursue this thing/person/idea/ideal and by doing so you develop skills or gain knowledge or simply develop yourself physically, thus gaining "strength" in an abstract sense.

This strength becomes power as influence over others, through either intimidation or admiration or even some combination thereof. This can also include tools/resources which you obtain through the use of your strengths.

In this way Anakin was an ideal Sith candidate, being very passionate about his job, having strong emotional attachments, even being passionate about his hobbies.

By this interpretation it would be a very Sith thing to kill another force user in ship to ship combat, even if the match up is completely unfair (i.e. a Star Destroyer vs an unarmed transport) by the principle of: Haha get rekt loser.

 

[Drvladivostok]

How would the ubermensch rise to power ? If he's above humanity how would he do it? Any ideas ?

There is no human Saints, or Ubermench, or Gods, just Men.

If an Ubermensch or a person who is 'above' the christian morality imposed by the mases and have the ability have his own moral barometer were try to gain power, it would have one main problem:

Since an Ubermenchs' believe is based not on any higher power or even any semblance of religious or objective morality, but rather or personal drive and creed his own morality would bar him from getting the empathy of people since most people have no ability to think independently therefore this lack of religious believe does a discervice to his political ability if he is trying to be sincere about the source of his morality.

Power involve influencing others, ie; the mases, and in order for you do this you have to gain their sympathy and have a monopoly on their morality, you have to preach about, democracy, higher purpose, utopian world, heaven, perfect society, in order for them to be controled mentally, while at the same time not entertaining these illusions.

An Ubermench have to resort to lying, deception, and being an amoral Machivellian, Nietche once compare a good Ubermench to Cesare Borgia, an Italian Renaissance Statesman that Machiavelli was simping over.

Bassically just an Atheist Machivelian, or an Amoral Psychopath. But its nearly impossible to any of these without being a nihilist.

 

[edmaster111]

you don't get what the ubermensch is brother

 

[Drvladivostok]

Tell me what it is then

 

[edmaster111]

Even going as far as to crack your own personal and environmental code to achieve an experiential perfection by unifying all things to one or several ends, gaining a state of Perfection which best optimizes the prime factors of all things both imaginable and unimaginable.

I got nothing to optimize anymore, what now?

 

[ZenRaiden]

What is your favorite food

 

[edmaster111]

no favorite food

 

[ZenRaiden]

no favorite food

Come on really?
I had venison osso bucco, with special gravy, and garlic that melted like butter on my tongue.
Not my favorite by far, but the taste was divine. The chef was really good.

 

[edmaster111]

is the ubermensch a loser?

 

[Black Rose]

is the ubermensch a loser?

why do you think you are the ubermensch?

 

[edmaster111]

because I am alone literally

 

[Black Rose]

because I am alone literally

is that what you think an ubermensch is?

 

[edmaster111]

maybe, because being lonely can imply being special/superior in some way

 

[Black Rose]

maybe, because being lonely can imply being special/superior in some way

I was isolated for some years in what I was doing so I might be special also?

many people have this problem

 

[edmaster111]

hmmm yea I see

what makes an ubermensch is they are isolated from society completely

 

[Black Rose]

hmmm yea I see

what makes an ubermensch is they are isolated from society completely

like a zen monk?

 

[edmaster111]

yea but even more

 

[ZenRaiden]

Its not an identity really.
Its the idea of choosing your values, in line with your own and worlds nature.
To put it bluntly is a value system aligned with who you are and aligned with the environment you are in.

Nietzsche point here was that value systems like Christianity did not honor mans nature or took account of natural world as is.

SO the superman is really someone who is true to himself and his own value systems, and thus he rises above slave morality, of serving values of others who are dead, or people who do not care, or people who force you to believe things that just aren't true, or people who tell you to value something you just don't, or people who say stuff like XYZ value is best and everyone has to believe it, because otherwise you are evil and wrong.

So superman is someone who because he is aligned with nature becomes naturally better than slave morality.

Nietzsche believed people must shed the shackles of past and start from nothing, because humans evolved beyond Christian doctrine.

The point I think is important is that belief of value and belief systems are inherently part of life.
We believe in stuff, and so must you believe.
But there are beliefs imposed on you forceful ergo slavery and beliefs you choose because they are true, and make you free.

 

[sushi]

the last man is not that different from the ubermensch

since the last man walking only follows his own morals and independent from those imposed by society and the herd.

 

[ZenRaiden]

I think what a lot of philosophy is missing is the pragmatic side of things.
Be uberman, but no one tells you how to do it.
Can I do it in one day, two weeks, 3 months, 3 years, how do I go about it.
Do I become a dull contrarian, or obscene and irevocable rebel with nothing better to do. Do I conform until I don't do I travel the world and seven seas, do I go inward and explore the depths of my psyche, do I light my heart on fire, or do I eat kebab at 4 am in the morning and then watch matlock while reading about the deep symbols of ancient civilization, maybe effort-fully go into occult and explore my relationship with the demonic fields and upgrade my spiritual aura, or I channel Andrew Tate and buy my self a laborgini with golden handles? Who knows?