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Typing Tips: Introvert or Extravert?

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Of all the personality dimensions, none has more scientific backing than that of introversion and extraversion. This fact is wonderfully documented and illustrated in Susan Cain’s 2012 masterpiece, Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World that Can’t Stop Talking, which I recently reviewed. But as Jung himself confessed, it can sometimes be difficult to discern whether someone is an introvert or an extravert. This is true for a few different reasons.

For one, we know that each type’s functional stack is comprised of both introverted AND extraverted functions. An INFP, for instance, not only uses Introverted Feeling (Fi) and Introverted Sensing (Si), but also Extraverted Intuition (Ne) and Extraverted Thinking (Te).

Moreover, to function effectively in the world, introverts are required to use and develop their extraverted functions to a certain extent. Those attending public school, for instance, will typically have an easier time if they find ways to connect or ally themselves with others.

Other factors can also confound the E-I dimension. For instance, types with Fe in their functional stack (i.e., FJs & TPs) are more inclined to be outwardly warm or “sociable” than types using Fi-Te (i.e., FPs and TJs).Intuitive types might also appear more extraverted since Intuition is characteristically more “verbal” in nature than Sensing. Hence, IN types are sometimes mistaken for extraverts.

Tips for E-I Self-Typing

To get a clearer sense of your E-I preference, one helpful strategy involves reflecting back on your childhood, particularly those times you weren’t attending school. Did you prefer spending much of your time alone (I) or did you routinely seek out parents, friends, siblings, or new activities for stimulation (E)? Did you commonly withdraw from others in order to catch your breath or do your own thing (I)?

A more oblique approach to the E-I dilemma might involve determining whether your dominant function is a Judging or Perceiving function. If you have been historically proactive and intentional, finding it difficult to relax or “do nothing,” you may well have a dominant Judging function (Fi, Ti, Fe, or Te). If this is true of you and you are confident you are not an EJ type, you may well be an IP. Likewise, if this fits you and you cannot identify with being an IP, you may well be an EJ.

If, by contrast, you have been historically more inclined to passively absorb and enjoy life, without a predominant urge to control, shape, or act on it (including your own life), you likely have a dominant Perceiving function (Si, Ni, Se, Ne). If this is the case and you know you are not an EP type, you are likely an IJ. Likewise, if this rings true and you’ve ruled out being an IJ, you may well be an EP.

Along similar lines, you could make a list of four personality types that most closely approximate your personality, including two extraverted types and two introverted types. Of these, select the one that is least like you. If you select an extraverted type, this may help confirm your status as an introvert. For example, in trying to discern my own type, I remember feeling fairly confident that I was an NT type. And of the four NT types, I identified least with ENTJ. This helped to confirm my status as an introvert in general, as well as an INTP in particular.

I hope you have enjoyed and benefited from these Personality Junkie typing tips!

A.J.
 

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one helpful strategy involves reflecting back on your childhood, particularly those times you weren’t attending school. Did you prefer spending much of your time alone

If you have been historically proactive and intentional, finding it difficult to relax or “do nothing,” you may well have a dominant Judging function (Fi, Ti, Fe, or Te).

@Architect

Could I be ISTP. What are they like? What separates Ne from normal creativity? I've been told I am intuitive because "a sensor would not have posted here as much as I have."
 

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" a sensor would not have posted..."

I find expressing myself through writing rather time consuming/draining... hmmm is how prolific you are somehow a intuitive/sensing divide?
 

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Whoever said that was probably talking more about how you continuously post about stuff traditionally considered 'intuitive'. No, how much you post is unlikely to be a good measure of your S/N dichotomy, and if it is, I'd like to see evidence.

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I very much like that inductive disjunctive syllogism approach. I don't think it works in my particular case, as there are confounds, but I can certainly see it helping a few people here.
 

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Typing tip: Don't be an INTP.
 

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Could I be ISTP. What are they like? What separates Ne from normal creativity? I've been told I am intuitive because "a sensor would not have posted here as much as I have."

ISTP's are not too much unlike INTP's, which is why many of them end up on this board. They have Se where INTP's have Ne. The main difference is where the INTP likes the theoretical ISTP's like more of the practical, but there is overlap. ISTP's like sports much more than INTP's, and often are better at getting things done.
 

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nah i think the traditional J/P variable is much more indicative of active/passive or directive/adaptive than dominant Perceiving/Judging function.

the question is how we relate to the concrete world of things and people, and the main extraverted function is more relevant for dominant introverts as well in this regard.
 

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nah i think the traditional P/J variable is much more indicative of passive/active or directive/adaptive than dominant Perceiving/Judging function.

I am utterly passive, probably even more so than 90 percent of this forum. (INFJ)
 

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I am utterly passive, probably even more so than 90 percent of this forum. (INFJ)

sedentary =/= passive

(i do not perceive your personality as passive... rather you seem to seek initiative and control over interaction)
 

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Invalid reasoning.

i think it fairly obvious and cba to elaborate. sure you can call it invalid. i don't mind.

one might argue that cherry cola did provide the requested context, though no definition.
 

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i think it fairly obvious and cba to elaborate. sure you can call it invalid. i don't mind.

one might argue that cherry cola did provide the requested context, though no definition.

The amount of activity can't be presumed by merely 1 activity source, by doing so you LACK context. For instance, you can't say: "Here is the context of being stupid: There was a test and person X scored 100." Instead, one could say: "Here is the context of being stupid. The whole class did their best making a test of which X, as always, scored the lowest. X is thus stupid."
 

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Introvert or Extravert? Defs

Please define,/give context to, passivity.
Active = changing
Passive = unchanging*
Reactive = affect to outside action summing to zero

*Running around in circles = unchanging in context to outside
 

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The amount of activity can't be presumed by merely 1 activity source, by doing so you LACK context. For instance, you can't say: "Here is the context of being stupid: There was a test and person X scored 100." Instead, one could say: "Here is the context of being stupid. The whole class did their best making a test of which X, as always, scored the lowest. X is thus stupid."

You do have some narcissistic tendencies man, so it ain't strange that you'd deny something that's completely obvious when it regards your own person, and then go on to demand examples. What I quoted is one.
 

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You do have some narcissistic tendencies man, so it ain't strange that you'd deny something that's completely obvious when it regards your own person, and then go on to demand examples. What I quoted is one.

This is stupid thinking. I will just leave this thread now. Have and want anything to argue, pm me or something.
 

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You are passively avoiding a touchy subject and passively quitting the thread?


I have been tossing around ENTJ for a few days now. Unsure.
 

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A point about introversion and extraversion which is that different types display differing amounts of them. For illustration let me compare the INTP and the INFJ, two types I know well.

INFJ

The two extraverted functions are Fe and Se. These are both strongly extraverted functions because they both have to do with the physical external world. Fe is a people/emotional function and Se is a physical matter function. So it's no surprise that INFJ's are, for a mostly introverted type, highly extraverted. Not as much as an ESFP, but my INFJ gets quite energized at parties and, for example, college basketball games. Compare this to ...

INTP

The first extraverted function, the secondary, is Ne which is a somewhat extraverted function because Ne has to do with ideas and not anything physical. It's not until you get to the inferior - Fe - where we see real extraversion. But the inferior is a special position which is both strong (attractor) and weak (undeveloped) so this Fe is not as strong as the INFJ Fe. So, for example, myself and my son get easily worn out at parties, and highly extraverted sensation events like college basketball games wear us out about an hour before we get even to them. INTP's (myself and my son) can appear and be quite extraverted when we're talking about something we're interested in, like a project or area we like however.

So extraversion and introversion don't manifest to the same degree in different types.
 

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http://www.amazon.com/Psychological...dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

It is Jung who gave us the terms introversion and extraversion. But our colloquial understanding of these terms are not exactly what Jung had in mind. For instance introversion he says means "an inward-turning of libido [psychic energy]." Moreover, the introverted person is one who orients himself predominantly by subjective views in contrast to the extraverted who orients himself by objective (external) conditions. Therefore, extraversion and introversion have to do with which realm--outer or inner--the person is drawn to and invests his energies in. So much for our simplistic notions of what these now household words mean!
 

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There are as many definitions of extroversion and introversion as there are psychologists. I use Susan Cains definition which relates to tolerance to stimulation.
 

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Assuming you're also attempting to relate it to the MBTI which relates back to Jung...
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see my point?

As in: who coined the terms introvert and extravert? Oh, Carl G. Jung.

From the same link above:
The terms introversion and extraversion were first popularized by Carl Jung,[1] although both the popular understanding and psychological usage differ from his original intent

Whose system are you using while typing? MBTI
Now what did MBTI stem from? Oh Carl G. Jung's work.
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These preferences were extrapolated from the typological theories proposed by Carl Gustav Jung and...
From quote in the picture:
Myers and Briggs extrapolated their MBTI theory from Jung's writings in his book Psychological Types.


But, I know you see my point.

My own thoughts:

Myers-Briggs are the ones who use the closest original definition to Jung's work, as compared to the Big Five or Thomson or Keirsey, and if you do read Jung's original ideas on it, it is way different than the 'popular/modern/connotations' of I/E now.

So assuming you're using the MBTI again, it would make sense to use the closest terms in relation to the system.


Because different 'definitions' have evolved or come into usage in the past few years, this is why the E can mistype as the I and vice versa, the questions on most of the tests are rather superficial, although yes as a generality they do ok, but we both know you Ts aren't comfortable with just that!
 

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Whenever I see two or more different approaches to the same issue, I wonder if there can be a translation* of one to the other adequate to show they are closely aligned perspectives.

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It is Jung ... introversion he says means "an inward-turning of libido [psychic energy]." Moreover, the introverted person is one who orients himself predominantly by subjective views in contrast to the extraverted who orients himself by objective (external) conditions. Therefore, extraversion and introversion have to do with which realm--outer or inner--the person is drawn to and invests his energies in.
@Architect
There are as many definitions of extroversion and introversion as there are psychologists. I use Susan Cains definition which relates to tolerance to stimulation.
BAP -
Introversion = prefers to deal with inner world of self
Extroversion = prefers to deal with world outside of self
Now to translation. I used the word, "prefers." Architect referred to the word, "tolerance." I assume tolerance is tolerance of something. That something (stimulation) comes from outside the ego. TimeAsylums referred to turning inward/subjective versus external/objective. This is what happens if one prefers or is pro-tolerant. The hinge causing one to go one way or the other is the "ego" or the self. Hence a close translation.

*Translation = one of six tools for understanding.
 

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Typing tips?

there's a better system of typology that mbti lies within, as a constituent.

Jung knew this, idk what the mbti people knew, but jung tried to break it down further into functions.

The thing that this forum, and typology communities on the internet don't get:

His stuff as standing on its own makes about 1% sense compared to understanding the structuralist mental web of connections he placed his system inside.

You guys get caught up in functions, as the mbti would have you believe you can just say oh they're more x vs y, z vs c etc but that's not going to give you hardly anything.

i mean it's sort of a bummer i suppose to point this out? but the op's history is proof that it gives you hardly anything
 

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you've now come to bumping two year old threads just for one more opportunity to point out that others are not you and complain that you don't have access to others' non/pre-verbal ideation.
 

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you're just viewing the world from your own subjective prism of experience, man.
Other people viewing old threads instigated my curiosity in old threads, reduce it if you will, I don't mind, it's always been what it is to you.
 

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Of all the personality dimensions, none has more scientific backing than that of introversion and extraversion. This fact is wonderfully documented and illustrated in Susan Cain’s 2012 masterpiece, Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World that Can’t Stop Talking, which I recently reviewed.
I do not consider her work a masterpiece.

Intuition is characteristically more “verbal” in nature than Sensing
That is flat out incorrect.


I've watched her Leading@Google talk some time ago. I found it very misinformed, as she almost always reduced topics down to strictly I and E rather than attributing it correctly to CFs (or Dyads for that matter.) For example she talks of risky E behavior and how E types are more likely to cheat in a relationship. Take fictional character Jimmy McNulty (an ISTP) of The Wire for example, I would argue he is something like 5x more likely to cheat than any of the ESTJs or ESFJs on the show. Yes, I realize the weak argument of "well, E's meet more people", but one would be much more successful looking at Mu vs Zeta rather than strictly E/I. I applaud her efforts though.
 

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I do not consider her work a masterpiece.

Good, you have an opinion.

That is flat out incorrect.

And again.

I've watched her Leading@Google talk some time ago. I found it very misinformed, as she almost always reduced topics down to strictly I and E rather than attributing it correctly to CFs (or Dyads for that matter.)

Shrug. You've ever done much public speaking or 'change management' as it's called? I used to do this for years. Gave up, too hard for me to file ideas down to the nubbin so that people could understand. Conversely I don't learn through lectures, as they are always too watered down.
 

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Good, you have an opinion.
Yes, and it differed from yours. Apparently that sufficient reason to give me attitude?

And again.
My statement has more truth than your statement.

Shrug. You've ever done much public speaking or 'change management' as it's called? I used to do this for years. Gave up, too hard for me to file ideas down to the nubbin so that people could understand. Conversely I don't learn through lectures, as they are always too watered down.
I've done lots of public speaking actually. I'm scheduled to give three public talks at my school, right now even. And there are times when "dumbing it down" is necessary, as with say a 30 second advertisement to large masses, but I hardly think it is needed when giving an hour long talk at Google..
 

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If anyone reads this (since who cares about an old derailed thread anyways) it irks me that the psychological types who are supposed to take truth seriously don't use a little forethought and realize that if they keep trying to defend themselves/attack others that the chances of finding truths other than "Ooh I can be mad! Oohooooh, I can make OTHERS mad (and that makes me feel better because this person did something tha led to me be mad)" will drop... quickly. I mean I'm getting emotional in this post too, but I hope the (hopefully) truth will be helpful enough that you'll empathize and develop my sentiment.
 

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Yes, and it differed from yours. Apparently that sufficient reason to give me attitude?

My statement has more truth than your statement.

I've done lots of public speaking actually. I'm scheduled to give three public talks at my school, right now even. And there are times when "dumbing it down" is necessary, as with say a 30 second advertisement to large masses, but I hardly think it is needed when giving an hour long talk at Google..

No, but stating opinions without arguing their case the way you frequently do is enough to garner attitude from most people. You can accuse Architect of some things, but he does consistently get down and dirty when he enters a debate, the only reason you aren't getting any substantial response is because you haven't written anything that can be argued against.

Oh and you've done lots of public speaking and you've learned that you sometimes have to dumb shit down? Really?! Such profound insight!
 

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What I'm saying in a more straight forward way ( at least I hope) is if you go into an argument with the only intention being to bring forth truth that both sides find true, it kind of throws a wrench into things if anyone sustains negative emotions because attention will most likely turn toward them and the chance of the original claim and subsequent argument being carried out to completion and success drops significantly.

I mention this because I think it's a wonderful thing to be devoted to finding truths (and again, not obvious ones like that we can all spread anger, that's all too boring and recursive) and it seems like people can use some food for thought to maybe prevent , hopefully with the effect of us being calmer, focused and productive.

EDIT: This may be a cliche platitude, but it is still potentially beneficial methinks.
 

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