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[Ex-User (11125)]

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types and cognitive functions confuse me
help

 

[Black Rose]

I sent you a PM. I hope you read it because I think you made this thread because of what i said on your profile wall. I said more than that in the PM. I sent the PM before i posted the one on your wall.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

I sent you a PM. I hope you read it because I think you made this thread because of what i said on your profile wall. I said more than that in the PM. I sent the PM before i posted the one on your wall.

i read it and replied...thanks

 

[TheManBeyond]

another ISFP, i mean i don't really read posts anymore, but that's the vibe, the overall concept of u that i have without knowing how

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

isfp profile says aux Se
im confused about a lot of things, but im atleast fairly sure im not Se

as for Fi...no clue. btw whats the difference between Ti and Ni?

 

[TheManBeyond]

enfp???

 

[Inquisitor]

You're confused about the functions?

I think you know what I think you should do to fix this.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

You're confused about the functions?

I think you know what I think you should do to fix this.

what confuses me is that some functions seem(to me) to be so tightly related with one another and yet are placed into seperate combinations. it makes the difference between some types pretty hazy

 

[QuickTwist]

http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/16Types/16Types.cfm

Feel free to read as much or as little of this sites info as you want.

 

[Analyzer]

infp

 

[Inquisitor]

what confuses me is that some functions seem(to me) to be so tightly related with one another and yet are placed into seperate combinations. it makes the difference between some types pretty hazy

They're all very different. Have you read Von Franz, Jung, Van der Hoop? Type descriptions can be unreliable as opposed to understanding the underlying functions. Everything is very well-explained by those authors. No one here (including me) is capable of giving you a better explanation. The challenge, which is a lifelong one IMO, is to observe how each type manifests in real life.

As far as we are all concerned though (not just INTPs), understanding how to deal with our own inferior is everyone's great challenge. The reason I emphasize "our own" is because the unconscious, according to Jung, is collective. Therefore it's contents are very much determined by one's upbringing and environment. That explains why the inferiors for two INTPs may be "turned on" by completely different things. For example, I had an ISFP mother who inculcated in me her feeling values. The most important of those was that helping people is the greatest thing one can do with one's life. Both my parents are physicians. Consequently, medicine has always had a certain strong allure for me. Just the idea of being a physician used to put me "in the grip." Strong emotional "affect" right over my chest.

In contrast, Architect gets turned on by listening to and playing music. This has to do with his inferior Fe also; no surprise as ENFJs (Fe doms) are the most highly represented type among musicians. He discovered the pleasures of music when he was young. For me, I always associate classical music with misery growing up, and it doesn't do anything for me. My mother would play classical at maxed out volume and sing loudly in the kitchen (which I found annoying as hell), and I also associate it with miserable car rides with both my parents to one place or another.

The point is that your inferior is going to manifest in a very particular way depending on your environment and upbringing.

 

[Brontosaurie]

In the beginning i thought ISFP but now fairly certain INFP.

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

They're all very different. Have you read Von Franz, Jung, Van der Hoop? Type descriptions can be unreliable as opposed to understanding the underlying functions. Everything is very well-explained by those authors. No one here (including me) is capable of giving you a better explanation. The challenge, which is a lifelong one IMO, is to observe how each type manifests in real life.

As far as we are all concerned though (not just INTPs), understanding how to deal with our own inferior is everyone's great challenge. The reason I emphasize "our own" is because the unconscious, according to Jung, is collective. Therefore it's contents are very much determined by one's upbringing and environment. That explains why the inferiors for two INTPs may be "turned on" by completely different things. For example, I had an ISFP mother who inculcated in me her feeling values. The most important of those was that helping people is the greatest thing one can do with one's life. Both my parents are physicians. Consequently, medicine has always had a certain strong allure for me. Just the idea of being a physician used to put me "in the grip." Strong emotional "affect" right over my chest.

In contrast, Architect gets turned on by listening to and playing music. This has to do with his inferior Fe also; no surprise as ENFJs (Fe doms) are the most highly represented type among musicians. He discovered the pleasures of music when he was young. For me, I always associate classical music with misery growing up, and it doesn't do anything for me. My mother would play classical at maxed out volume and sing loudly in the kitchen (which I found annoying as hell), and I also associate it with miserable car rides with both my parents to one place or another.

The point is that your inferior is going to manifest in a very particular way depending on your environment and upbringing.

Insightful. Thanks for the intelligent post Inquisitor!

 

[TheManBeyond]

bronto could be right:

[BIMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Kafka.jpg[/BIMG]

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

In the beginning i thought ISFP but now fairly certain INFP.

if you dont mind, can you elaborate on why infp and not some other type?

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

if you dont mind, can you elaborate on why infp and not some other type?

Definitely I because of your artistic interests and post content.

Definitely N because of your artistic interests and post content.

I'm split on the T/F. Evidence for either in perhaps equal quantities.

Definitely P because of your artistic interests and post content.

INxP to be sure

 

[Urakro]

I can't say I know very much about you zerkalo. But if I were to 'type' you, it wouldn't be with the 16 type MBTI system which has started to become meaningless.

So far when I run across your posts, you seem intelligent, imaginative, and have a personality which is not too shy to deviate from the crowd. I'm guessing you'd have a lot of engaging things to talk about once you open up to people, and can be jovial and subtly charismatic.

It's a good type for initial impressions.

 

[Inquisitor]

Insightful. Thanks for the intelligent post Inquisitor!

I try. Thank you for the thank you.

 

[Alias]

I get INFP from your general mood and presence on the forum.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

this is probably getting annoying () but i dont think i have a solid grasp on what infp is like. descriptions on websites make them out to be mother teresas
so, away from all the exaggerated idealized profiles, it would be nice if someone provides me with their own rl observations of what infp is

 

[Alias]

INFPs can be eccentric, and they live in a world of imagination slightly different from that of an INTP. They're usually charitable and kind. Function-wise, INFPs use Fi, Ne, Si, then Te. They first consider how they feel deep down about something, and they, like XNXPs, often find themselves brimming with crazy ideas that stem from Ne.

INFPs try to avoid conflict and instead have both sides make up to each other, but INFPs can get as angry as anyone.

Keirsey called INFPs the Healers, because of their ability to heal and comfort relationships.

That's the best description I could make.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

I disagree Fi is anything about charity and kindness, that's Fe.
I think it's a misconception to think of INFP's as being invested in the world affairs or being deeply troubled by global problems. They're much more focused on personal matters around them.

They tend to want to become companions and tend to want to be perceived as useful to their friends, it gives them a sense of worth.

They seem to be much more socially adept, they seem to prefer to blend into their environment. Outwardly conformism is met with internal conflicts in them.

Mbti is astrology.

 

[Black Rose]

Mbti is astrology.

That is exactly what Abstract Canvas told me on google hangouts.

He is INFP

But really, you can tell what a person is like by observing them.

People are different in so many ways.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

The reason I started to doubt im intp is that I realised I suck at Ti
I'm more about taking in as much information as possible. understanding and analysing information takes a long long time for me, mostly because I just let things float around in head until they slowly click over time. Compared with others here, understanding or conceiving my own thoughts and opinions doesn't come as easily/naturally for me

As for Fi vs. Fe
At times im cold and unable to empathise with even loved ones, but mostly I can intensely feel the pain of others, almost like it's my own.
That being said, I'm also hypocritical about this...as I rarely feel the incentive to actually help others.

What does this make me?

 

[Brontosaurie]

The reason I started to doubt im intp is that I realised I suck at Ti
I'm more about taking in as much information as possible. understanding and analysing information takes a long long time for me, mostly because I just let things float around in head until they slowly click over time. Compared with others here, understanding or conceiving my own thoughts and opinions doesn't come as easily/naturally for me

As for Fi vs. Fe
At times im cold and unable to empathise with even loved ones, but mostly I can intensely feel the pain of others, almost like it's my own.
That being said, I'm also hypocritical about this...as I rarely feel the incentive to actually help others.

What does this make me?

You do seem to have a floaty style and lots of hesitation. I think if i were to compare you to myself, you would clearly turn out to have more meaning in your experience as opposed to your statements while i am the opposite in that regard. I am actually undermining the validity of my own experience while trying to guarantee the validity of my statements. I think you have more integrity and faith in yourself which is a good thing but not relevant to type perhaps. Just some comments off the top of my head.

I can't remember if you ever explained why you first thought yourself INTP, but i assume you've read some other descriptions and so i guess you have some reasons other than "i did the test and it didn't describe me that bad". Could you provide the reasons?

Aren't you idealistic, strong-feeling, appalled and exhausted (rather than liberated and energized) by discourse lacking in civility and dignity?

I can't seem to really ARGUE my case. Fi dominance is a big vibe allover though. You are dignified and you don't get dirty. You have an admirably rich taste but sometimes lofty/naïve theoretical inputs. You also are decidedly nice rather than sassy, which points to INFP. Difficulty verbalizing and "packaging" thoughts (as you describe) points to ISFP though. But mostly your mentioning it just points to self-effacement and loopy worry methinks.

Sorry for telling you who you are and shit, disregard liberally if necessary.

 

[A_Scanner_Darkly]

hmm, OK, feel I have much to contribute on the subject of INFPness, but thinking a quality post will take too long. rather than try to conjure up, refine, and organize material extemporaneously (would rather not sit here and waste time too long), will try to perform aforementioned tasks in my mind over the next week-ish...

for starters, though, I am of the opinion that there are INFP subtypes depending on which function pair is favored over the other. in any case, Socionics is much worth looking into: http://wikisocion.org/. Myers-Briggs INFP corresponds to INFj/EII.

Fi-Te INFPs are more defined and forthright, more resembling the descriptions put forward in Myers Briggs about them having rock-hard values and living their lives by these and whatnot. Ne-Si INFPs are a lot more flimsy and open-ended, like they can't ever make up their minds about what is good and what is evil, more conceptual/theoretical, come off as ENFPs with social anxiety/low energy perhaps...

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

hey everyone.
not that anyone cares :P
but
i made peace with being infp after thinking this through and reading up on Fi. infp definitely makes a lot more sense than intp

you would clearly turn out to have more meaning in your experience as opposed to your statements

thanks for this...it elucidated a lot to me

I can't remember if you ever explained why you first thought yourself INTP, but i assume you've read some other descriptions and so i guess you have some reasons other than "i did the test and it didn't describe me that bad". Could you provide the reasons?.

actually, i got into mbti around the time i joined this forum

so its just like you said "i did the test and it didn't describe me that bad". i tested as intp(twice...i think?) in my early teens, but didnt take an interest in mbti then...i remember skimming through my result and felt like this was making me out to be a lot more pensive, intelligent and serious than i am. anyway, a couple of years ago i started to spend less time with people and invest more time in stuff that interests me etc. and i started to feel the need to find explanations for my eccentricities and the personality ‘defects’ i seem to have compared with others. so, among other things, i revisited mbti and(initially) it seemed to provide me with the explanations i so longed for

anyway, it didnt take me long after joining this forum to doubt im not intp

Sorry for telling you who you are and shit, disregard liberally if necessary.

no problems. i appreciate your honesty...thanks

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

will try to perform aforementioned tasks in my mind over the next week-ish...

take your time

flimsy and open-ended, like they can't ever make up their minds about what is good and what is evil, more conceptual/theoretical, come off as ENFPs with social anxiety/low energy perhaps...

yes this is me
but why would you say Si is responsible for this troop? wouldn't Si help regulate Ne? i think an Fi+Ne combo with very very weak tertiary and inferior functions makes it easy to lose bearing and be unable to develop a strong sense of ‘self’(which is what Fi thrives on(i guess?))...enter chronic lack of motivation, feelings of inadequacy and shame

 

[onesteptwostep]

Drenth has a page on his website where he talks about the types in a developmental fashion, with those age ranges being childhood, adolescene-30ish, 30s and above and elderly, or something like that.

link

It's a long read but it could help you conceptualize the whole type thing, across all the other types as well.

 

[A_Scanner_Darkly]

Here you go, peeps! I apologize in advance for using my pretentious voice, but on special occasions as this I find it to be appropriate.

I will be writing more as time goes on. I have quite a bit of material...

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INFP (Ne-Si subtype)

This type is prone to self-identifying as a socially anxious/low-energy ENFP, or, just as likely, an oddly listless and indecisive INFJ. The ability to see things in a plethora of different ways, commonly associated with Ni, is certainly there, and the subject is equally sure of his/her status as an introvert. But the sure giveaway is the lack of the characteristic decisiveness of the INJ, the characteristic whereby Ni stands in stark contrast with the “magic scarf trick” quality of Ne. Thus, inasmuch as Ni reveals to the INJ the perceived full gamut of paradigms and angles of understanding vis-à-vis any given thing, unlike Ne it does not carry on the trick seemingly endlessly but rather brings it peremptorily to a close, often so abruptly and in such a short span of time as to sorely offend, even disgust, the Ne enthusiasts. To perpetuate the metaphor, both the Ne and Ni magicians possess the exact same “rope” of scarves, but the Ni magician, ever focused on the barest essence of things, does not feel it needs to reach the end of said rope to do the magic trick justice, the first few color patterns, etc. being a sure enough predictor of what is to come, which is merely minute variations on the original pattern.

That said, it is often overlooked the similarities between Fi and Ni.

Like the astrological sign with which it is most identified, the Ne-Si INFP has a tremendous capacity for good or for evil, depending on how its inhuman sensitivity is handled.

Granted, both INFP subtypes experience emotions arguably more intensely and more overwhelmingly than any other Myers-Briggs type (a subject that could, in itself, be written on most extensively and which would certainly help illuminate for other types the enigmatic behaviors/viewpoints of these odd fish); what distinguishes them is how they learn to cope with these feelings. The Ne-Si subtype is prone to wallowing in unpleasant feelings, unfortunately, in feeling helpless against these, and ergo is also prone to dissociation, constantly attempting to deny to him/herself that what is happening is real.

Given the correlation between childhood abuse and dissociation as a default coping mechanism thereto, this says a lot about the kind of childhood the Ne-Si subtype has typically had, and also on the precise character of this incarnation of Ne. That is to say, that this Ne has been developed such that it is most skilled at dissociation-imagination exercises. This fact is most illuminating in contradistinction with the Fi-Te INFP, whose use of Ne-Si (functions sandwiched between focus on Fi ethics and Te practical application thereof) is more in the way of implementation of their values in a realistic, practical fashion. Notice that with the Fi-Te INFP the middle two functions become subservient to the first-last function pair (two judging functions); also notice how with the Ne-Si INFP, the first-last pair become not so much subservient as eroded by an overindulgence of the two perceiving functions. Therefore, the Ne-Si INFP is not inclined either to make choices or take action, but rather to disconnect via contemplation of possibilities, ideas, daydreams, but also by indulging abstracted sensory recollections of the past, which predictably are experienced as idyllic by way of selective recollection, not to mention the usual task at hand.

An alternate reaction to life's hardships on the Ne-Si axis: What's interesting is that the experience of sadness/depression between the two subtypes is probably different. Ne-Si INFP experiences some aberration/perversion of an Fi ideal of his/hers, and from that engages with the disillusionment on the level of Ne-Si: simultaneously, ceaselessly extrapolating on the event and imagining that the whole world is wickedness, and also experiencing the emotion on a very bodily level. A typical reaction to one of these near-daily micro-traumas might be to lay in bed running mentally through all the horrid implications of the singular fact, not being able to get up or get anything done or get rid of the bodily experience of being sad/depressed.

The Ne-Si INFP is better than its counterpart at understanding and empathizing with people unconditionally, not only because their unfettered Ne allows them to better put themselves in the shoes of literally anyone, but also because they are Perceiving-dominant types, and not Judging-dominant types like their siblings. Fi, on its own, is good at understanding people because it experiences illogical and unreasonable vantage points as valid. Many other types have trouble with this, but it is really as simple as understanding the indelible fact that humans are not logical or even particularly rational creatures at heart, much as some would like to believe they are.

Thusly, it often occurs that the Ne-Si INFP has no solid basis for reality. Where the Fi-Te INFPs might be prone to invalidating and resenting facts that contradict their oh-so-sacred values, the Ne-Si doesn’t experience its Te inferior as antagonistic so much as merely limited or irrelevant. Simply put, they aren’t really all that worked up about anything, because their modus operandi is simply to detach from reality, or otherwise rather liberally reinterpret it, when things get tough. Possibly, it being the flip-side to their favorite function, they might share with myriad ENFPs a deep dislike for Si, not liking the idea that things shall or should remain as dictated by abstracted sensory memories of the past.

You might be wondering at this point whether I’m not just describing unhealthy ENFPs. I thought the same thing myself – but no, the Ne-Si INFP is yet wholly distinct from the ENFP. For one thing, we are definitely talking about an introvert who is (in the case of Ne-Si INFP) almost completely self-absorbed (Fi-Te INFP is more engaged with the outside world, though he/she looks within for ways to better it, as well as to rejuvenate), so much as to, from the outside, resemble the Asperger’s-prone INTs. Moreover, the “stack,” as it is commonly referred to, remains intact, and much as the Ne-Si combo is engaged with, it is still being filtered through the Fi dominant function, which gives it its characteristic INFP flavor. ENFP’s Ne is qualitatively different, not being filtered through a dominant Fi.

It is the placement of Fi in Ne-Si INFP that explains some of the peculiarities that present themselves in the type. For one thing, in contradistinction with the NFJs, while INFP does need to be constantly interfacing with “human elements,” it does not need direct contact with people like the NFJs do. INFPs, and especially the Ne-Si subtype, can satisfy themselves for long intervals of time on abstractions of humans and abstractions of human relationships. Like all introverted functions, Fi does not engage with the object itself, but on internal perceptions and interpretations thereof. This is why INFPs are known as fictional bookworms, as well as avid indulgers of culture in general, because they are getting their most pressing needs met whenever they are reading about a romantic couple, or watching a show or movie about two best friends…often enough, their given-ness to detachment and dissociation renders them unwilling or unable to develop real-life relationships. And so, they fulfill their needs by proxy.

This Fi need for being in touch with human-ness is so profound that I have heard of INFPs who have not been able to study math or science or such subjects, because it was too overwhelming for someone with such a need for connection and without many real-life relationships to spend so much time on so “cold” a type of material. Strange as it sounds, such INFPs report a peculiar and ominous "cold feeling" spreading across the chest, with its genesis roughly at the heart. Overactive imagination? Literary hyperbole, perhaps? Psychosomatic anomaly? Maybe so, but it says a lot about the type.

Other INFPs, though, having the skills and connections and perhaps inner strength necessary, might simply take to studying in groups with other people, killing two birds with one stone by getting help and getting the interaction which might otherwise be excruciating to go without. Conversely, many INFPs can study the social sciences, humanities, and so forth, for days on end without feeling a lick of loneliness, because they are engaging with very human material, abstract and indirect as it may be. Like I said, they are able to thrive on this abstraction, and in many cases even prefer it over the messiness and countless let-downs of human relationships, as long as the material is of substance.