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Good morning!

I'm fairly certain I'm an INFJ/INFp. But then, I could be wrong. The differences between types are often subtle, or so it can seem to the uneducated. I have a firm grasp on much of MBTI/Socionics. However, I may just think I have a firm grasp. It's possible that my understanding of the system is flawed.
(Edit: Actually, my understanding is rather abstract... It's complicated, but I feel confident that I have an understanding of the systems without being able to actually cite any specific facts I know about either of them. Yeah I know. Instills you with confidence, doesn't it.)

As far as a self description...
I think I'll pass. If I describe myself, I'll be considering how my description is going to come across as I make it. I'll consider the implications of a given word or phrase, and things will likely get messy. However, I will answer questions as they're asked.

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me! (Cause there isn't enough typing questions out there to begin with!)
However, I may just think I have a firm grasp. It's possible that my understanding of the system is flawed.

As far as a self description...
I think I'll pass. If I describe myself, I'll be considering how my description is going to come across as I make it. I'll consider the implications of a given word or phrase, and things will likely get messy.
You communicate like this, considering your own perspective and biases and those of others apparently by default, and doubt being an INFJ?

What if instead you stopped focusing on self-analysis for a bit and simply compared others to each other and yourself? A bit of a factorial design using living humans...
 

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I took this test and it is the best test I have come across. It says I am INFj (INFP MBTI).

http://www.sociotype.com/tests/
Thanks! Actually, I can't really take tests anymore. Whenever I read a question I know what each of the answers mean.
me! (Cause there isn't enough typing questions out there to begin with!)

You communicate like this, considering your own perspective and biases and those of others apparently by default, and doubt being an INFJ?

What if instead you stopped focusing on self-analysis for a bit and simply compared others to each other and yourself? A bit of a factorial design using living humans...
Heh. Yeah... I've probably been over analyzing myself of late. But what if my definitions for the functions or letters are wrong? Ni-Ti at its finest, I have to over think everything. I've tried factorization with other people as well. My problem is that I pretty much exclusively know Ne doms/users. I don't really know any strong Ni users other than myself. Thank you though, I think you've answered my question. :)
 

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EDIT: Okay, a triple analysis here. Get ready.
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#1:

From the six posts I've gathered from you so far, you demonstrate a very adaptive nature. You are doubtful, reinventive and reinterpretive in the way that only high Pe+Ji users are. I like to call these types "reviser" types. Or it's what MBTI calls "___P" types.

For example, 'overthinking' things, coming up with your own theories for things, and your generally divergent thought trails (i.e. tangents, addendums, etc) show to me a mind that is actively an continually in a state of 'transience'.

This is not a characteristic shared with high Je+Pi types, or what I call "conductor" types and MBTI calls "___J". Who always exist with certain fixed presuppositions about life's unfolding, and have a healthy (or perhaps excessive) level of hesitation toward spontaneous thought. To conductors, situations are approached with assuptions already in mind and the data before them is fitted into that pre-existing mental context.

Going further, you seem to me to possess high Ne, which has a talent for receptivity toward alternate interpretations. Part of the reason Ni doesn't fit my picture at you at all is because Ni is rather singular in its interpretation of events. It actually has a hard time adjusting on the fly and shifting ideas.

Usually a few (or several) ideas are unconsciously settled into their psyche from ages back and they have a 'predictive' way of interpreting life. So rather than being hypothesizers (Ne), Ni users qualify more as anticipators.


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Meticulous Ti analysis.... activate!

I'm fairly certain I'm an INFJ/INFp. But then, I could be wrong.
These two sentences are juxtaposed in a rather contradictory way. On one hand you're rather certain, but on the other, you think you could be wrong. You're not necessarily making a contradictory statement, but the second sentence really takes away from the confidence of the first.

The differences between types are often subtle, or so it can seem to the uneducated.
Again, the first part of this sentence and the second part have juxtaposed elements. This points to you having multiple divergent views in your head while writing. Your mind is forking as it writes, but you try to convey all elements of this forking within the same sentence. What results is sentences with vectors going left, then going right. The sentence is pulled in multiple directions, just like your thought patterns.

I have a firm grasp on much of MBTI/Socionics. However, I may just think I have a firm grasp. It's possible that my understanding of the system is flawed.
Once again, the first sentence "I have a firm grasp" is countered by "I may just think I have a firm grasp". In a way, you seem undecided about what you're saying. And while you make definitive statements throughout the whole OP, you really demonstrate a lot of doubt and a non-fixed worldview (Pi). You don't have a super solid idea in mind.

(Edit: Actually, my understanding is rather abstract... It's complicated, but I feel confident that I have an understanding of the systems without being able to actually cite any specific facts I know about either of them. Yeah I know. Instills you with confidence, doesn't it.)
Ok, so here you reveal something critical. Your understanding is rather abstract and you don't really have a lot of "specific facts" or citations. This points to lower Se or Si, with prioritized Ne or Ni. But in your case, this means high Ne with low Si concern. Rather than taking the time to grind through the dry pages of past authors, Ne prefers to experiment and explore in real-time. To put (new) ideas forward in a playful, mental-acrobatics sort of way.

Ne also is the sort of function that glosses over things and "gets the jist" and moves on from there, running away with its ideas (and resulting extrapolations), often without digging into them thoroughly.

Also, how can you be "fairly certain" you're INFJ or INFP when those two types have no functions in common, and you apparently believe in functions? In any event, this seems to me like Ne doing optimistic associating. One could be split between INFJ and INFP in Ne's mind for many reasons -- but more grounded worldviews or J functions would be quite doubtful of that.

As far as a self description...
I think I'll pass. If I describe myself, I'll be considering how my description is going to come across as I make it.
This again reveals your real-time adjustment and modulation. This is a trademark Ne quality (well, Se does some of that too).

I'll consider the implications of a given word or phrase, and things will likely get messy.
And then this part is entirely telling. What I get from this is that the semantics of the tests ignite a sort of correlation explosion in you. A word can have dozens of meanings, so the tests can muddle you up because of how many ways it can be taken --- and the results can be equally off-base based on which one of a dozen interpretations of the words you happened to want to choose during the test taking. More Ne at work here.

/end meticulous Ti analysis

#3

I usually don't do this, but here's an experiment.
I bet your eyes look more like this:

Ne/Si
[bimgx=600]http://imgur.com/GACEKeg.jpg[/bimgx]

Than this:

Ni/Se
[bimgx=600]http://imgur.com/N7AGc2l.jpg[/bimgx]

Eyes Characteristics: Dreamy, child-like, naive, and somewhat innocent. Generally not squinty or heavy, but light and curious.

Hypothesized behavior: Eyes will tend to dart around casually (especially upward), along with giving your body a light swaying quality. You will have a subtle undercurrent of energy to your body which, in a spritely way, will make you seem restless. Your speech will be divergent -- shifting topics and going on tangents -- and your mannerisms will be light, buoyant, and a bit child-like. There will be a type of 'levity' to your overall rhythm and a non-serious energy.

Probable types:

NeTi (ENTP)
NeFi (ENFP)
TiNe (INTP)
FiNe (INFP)
 

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Of note, I've written a response to this once already. Then my browser crashed. I've gotten my thoughts in order, so I expect this response to be more concise.

EDIT: Okay, a triple analysis here. Get ready.
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#1:
Thanks! I really appreciate it. Like a lot. :)

First, let me fix this:
Also, how can you be "fairly certain" you're INFJ or INFP when those two types have no functions in common, and you apparently believe in functions? In any event, this seems to me like Ne doing optimistic associating. One could be split between INFJ and INFP in Ne's mind for many reasons -- but more grounded worldviews or J functions would be quite doubtful of that.
Yeah my bad. I've read through a lot of reckful's posts of late. I've noticed he has a tendency to jump on posts that failed to distinquish MBTI from functions(or at least dichometrics from functions), I just wanted to indicate that I understood the difference.

As a clarification, by dichotomy I'm either INFJ or *maybe* INTJ. By function I'm NiFe.

I don't agree with all your points, so I've offered my self-analysis as a counter point. I haven't necessarily rejected the conclusion though. I consider it a possibility. I'd be interested as to your opinion after you've read my rebuttal.

From the six posts I've gathered from you so far, you demonstrate a very adaptive nature. You are doubtful, reinventive and reinterpretive in the way that only high Pe+Ji users are. I like to call these types "reviser" types. Or it's what MBTI calls "___P" types.

For example, 'overthinking' things, coming up with your own theories for things, and your generally divergent thought trails (i.e. tangents, addendums, etc) show to me a mind that is actively an continually in a state of 'transience'.
I can only particially agree. In general, I'm seeking a fixed idea, but in doing so I apply a lot of internal thinking. My doubt stems from the fact that I think that I have a firm understanding of Ni, but the concept that I've given the name 'Ni' might actually be called 'Ne' (or even 'Ti') by everyone else. I'm trying to confirm that my internal understanding matches up with the understanding of the rest of the world.
This is not a characteristic shared with high Je+Pi types, or what I call "conductor" types and MBTI calls "___J". Who always exist with certain fixed presuppositions about life's unfolding, and have a healthy (or perhaps excessive) level of hesitation toward spontaneous thought. To conductors, situations are approached with assuptions already in mind and the data before them is fitted into that pre-existing mental context.
Context sounds fairly accurate. In general I approach everything from it's context. But I'm willing to approach it from other contexts as well. I'm adaptable, and I can quickly assemble a new context or redefine an ideas's current context when I realize that that context is inaccurate.

Going further, you seem to me to possess high Ne, which has a talent for receptivity toward alternate interpretations. Part of the reason Ni doesn't fit my picture at you at all is because Ni is rather singular in its interpretation of events. It actually has a hard time adjusting on the fly and shifting ideas.

Usually a few (or several) ideas are unconsciously settled into their psyche from ages back and they have a 'predictive' way of interpreting life. So rather than being hypothesizers (Ne), Ni users qualify more as anticipators.
I tend to see other interpretations in the form of that person's understanding of the context. If I imagine a context where factor X doesn't apply or where factor Y does, I can understand how they've come to their conclusion. However the applications of factor X/Y don't effect the actually context that an object lives in. I'd say that there is a universal context that applies to a given situation, it's just a matter of finding it.

In general, I believe the universe to be predictable. I have some problems with absolute determinism (I'm religious), but in general things seem to follow a certain order.

#2

Meticulous Ti analysis.... activate!

These two sentences are juxtaposed in a rather contradictory way. On one hand you're rather certain, but on the other, you think you could be wrong. You're not necessarily making a contradictory statement, but the second sentence really takes away from the confidence of the first.

Again, the first part of this sentence and the second part have juxtaposed elements. This points to you having multiple divergent views in your head while writing. Your mind is forking as it writes, but you try to convey all elements of this forking within the same sentence. What results is sentences with vectors going left, then going right. The sentence is pulled in multiple directions, just like your thought patterns.

Once again, the first sentence "I have a firm grasp" is countered by "I may just think I have a firm grasp". In a way, you seem undecided about what you're saying. And while you make definitive statements throughout the whole OP, you really demonstrate a lot of doubt and a non-fixed worldview (Pi). You don't have a super solid idea in mind.
Yup, but I wouldn't necessarily say it's Pi related. It's mostly just attempting to confirm that Ji is an accurate representation of Je. In general I do have a doubtful disposition, but I suspect that that has more to do with my inability to present my Ji properly than the trust I hold in my Ji analysis. Also, Fe tends to lesson the absoluteness of my statements so as to conserve harmony. (Mostly my NeFi friends tends to get hung up on the small details whenever I leave something out. I usually assume she knows which context I'm coming from and fail to externalize certain bits of it).

Ok, so here you reveal something critical. Your understanding is rather abstract and you don't really have a lot of "specific facts" or citations. This points to lower Se or Si, with prioritized Ne or Ni. But in your case, this means high Ne with low Si concern. Rather than taking the time to grind through the dry pages of past authors, Ne prefers to experiment and explore in real-time. To put (new) ideas forward in a playful, mental-acrobatics sort of way.
(I thought that that statement might have a Ne vibe to it)
That's not really it. I have plenty of concepts stored in my head that I use to understand contexts. But I don't necessarily have words for those concepts. I have lots of definitions, but not every definitions has a word associated with it.
It's like knowing what each element and it's qualities without necessarily knowing it's scientific name.

Ne also is the sort of function that glosses over things and "gets the jist" and moves on from there, running away with its ideas (and resulting extrapolations), often without digging into them thoroughly.
Yes and no. I'd like to know why things work and how, but if necessary I can sometimes suffice with a minimal explanation. Sometimes when time doesn't allow I'll construct vague parameters and make do with those until further examination is possible. I like knowing how things work.

This again reveals your real-time adjustment and modulation. This is a trademark Ne quality (well, Se does some of that too).
Perhaps. In general I prefer premediation. Failing that, I try to come up with something on the fly.
I form a plan based on the factors I'm aware of, on the fly as necessary.

And then this part is entirely telling. What I get from this is that the semantics of the tests ignite a sort of correlation explosion in you. A word can have dozens of meanings, so the tests can muddle you up because of how many ways it can be taken --- and the results can be equally off-base based on which one of a dozen interpretations of the words you happened to want to choose during the test taking. More Ne at work here.
Not really. As I'm writing something I'm also considering how it's going to be read and understood. I felt that since I had recently read the ENTP description (and thought about it, a lot) that description was going to flavor my writing. In general I find it difficult to provide content that doesn't lean in some way towards a particular type or function. And if I'm aware of that lean, certainly I should endeavor to correct it. By correcting all the leans I'm aware of, the only leans that will remain are the ones that I'm unaware of. And being unaware of the leans could be indicative that those leans are a reflection of my core self. But to write an entire description of myself? That's a lot of leans.
Also, I don't like correcting leans generally. There's a point where analysis becomes over analysis.

/end meticulous Ti analysis
Thanks! I really appreciate it!

#3

I usually don't do this, but here's an experiment.
I bet your eyes look more like this:

Ne/Si
[bimgx=600]http://imgur.com/GACEKeg.jpg[/bimgx]

Than this:

Ni/Se
[bimgx=600]http://imgur.com/N7AGc2l.jpg[/bimgx]

Eyes Characteristics: Dreamy, child-like, naive, and somewhat innocent. Generally not squinty or heavy, but light and curious.

Hypothesized behavior: Eyes will tend to dart around casually (especially upward), along with giving your body a light swaying quality. You will have a subtle undercurrent of energy to your body which, in a spritely way, will make you seem restless. Your speech will be divergent -- shifting topics and going on tangents -- and your mannerisms will be light, buoyant, and a bit child-like. There will be a type of 'levity' to your overall rhythm and a non-serious energy.

Probable types:

NeTi (ENTP)
NeFi (ENFP)
TiNe (INTP)
FiNe (INFP)
In general, I'd favor Ni eyes, but you're welcome to judge yourself:
Taken at different times across the past year.
[bimgx=250]http://i.imgur.com/a8eVakx.jpg?1[/bimgx][bimgx=250]http://i.imgur.com/riN5094g.jpg[/bimgx][bimgx=250]http://i.imgur.com/KO05k2O.jpg[/bimgx]
The hypothetical behaviors aren't totally inaccurate. Some fit, some don't.
If I'm correct about being a Fe aux, my outside expression isn't going to be terribly trustworthy.
Do you/what do you do when you go on vacation?
I don't vacation much. In my spare time I do a variety of things depending on mood. If I'm lonely, I talk; if my mind is occupied with something, I think about it and reasearch as necessary; If I feel that I need a break from either, I play video games or cook or something.

Also I play MtG. My main deck is my Faeries deck. It wins by understanding how my opponent's deck works and then playing around it/punishing it. It's very maneuverable/malleable. If I see my opponent attempting to bait me into a trap, I usually attempt to punish him for setting up the trap in the first place.

Also, I'm a computer major. Focus on software development. I'm particularly found of functional programming, which seems to reflect my understanding of Ni.

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My doubt stems from the fact that I think that I have a firm understanding of Ni, but the concept that I've given the name 'Ni' might actually be called 'Ne' (or even 'Ti') by everyone else. I'm trying to confirm that my internal understanding matches up with the understanding of the rest of the world

From my own experience, I would say that your understanding of Ni is pretty close to actual Ni. If you think it is probably your dominant function, then probably it is a strong function. So I would say that you understand the functions, but given that all functions play a part in our psyche, it can be hard to determine which is the strongest.
 

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From my own experience, I would say that your understanding of Ni is pretty close to actual Ni. If you think it is probably your dominant function, then probably it is a strong function. So I would say that you understand the functions, but given that all functions play a part in our psyche, it can be hard to determine which is the strongest.

Heh, look at this Artsu:

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Phew!
Well that was quite a ride. I usually don't try to analyze someone based on six posts, but I wanted to do a bit of a self-experiment to see how my powers of deductions are fairing these days.

I'm sorry for the assumptions I made about you, and any that were off. And thanks for entertaining my analysis.

Also, super cool to learn you have a pretty specific understanding of functions. I look forward to hearing more about it. Though I can certainly understand the dilemma of giving proper words/translations to things that exist as more abstract mental deductions.

Something that helps me sometimes is visual metaphors, as I dabble in art for a living.
 

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From my own experience, I would say that your understanding of Ni is pretty close to actual Ni. If you think it is probably your dominant function, then probably it is a strong function. So I would say that you understand the functions, but given that all functions play a part in our psyche, it can be hard to determine which is the strongest.
Thanks! It's good to know I'm on the right track. I agree. If I am a Ni user, then it's likely that I'm a Ni dom. Unless I'm confusing Ni elements with Ti elements. My understanding of perceiving functions is more solid than my understanding of judging function.
Phew!
Well that was quite a ride. I usually don't try to analyze someone based on six posts, but I wanted to do a bit of a self-experiment to see how my powers of deductions are fairing these days.

I'm sorry for the assumptions I made about you, and any that were off. And thanks for entertaining my analysis.

Also, super cool to learn you have a pretty specific understanding of functions. I look forward to hearing more about it. Though I can certainly understand the dilemma of giving proper words/translations to things that exist as more abstract mental deductions.

Something that helps me sometimes is visual metaphors, as I dabble in art for a living.
No problem, and thanks! It was a joy to read. If you have any other input, I'd love to hear it.
As time allows, I'll post my understand of the functions. I'd love to have feedback on it.
I find visual metaphors useful at times. In general I find the typical writing format difficult to express my ideas in. As my thoughts get more and more refined, it becomes difficult to explain them in depth without going on a tangent. Metaphors in general are useful as a shortcut for descriptions.

Thanks!
 

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Heh, look at this Artsu:

vdEp8BA.png

The functions which scored highly are mostly the P-type functions (extroverted perception and introverted judgement) so I'm not sure why it says infj
 

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The functions which scored highly are mostly the P-type functions (extroverted perception and introverted judgement) so I'm not sure why it says infj

They might have taken just the most prevalent one and then found the secondary one that was higher?
 

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They might have taken just the most prevalent one and then found the secondary one that was higher?

Perhaps the algorithm is unsofisticated. I can think of a number of routes that would lead to that conclusion, though I feel like all of them are poor or incomplete routes.
 

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Thread officially hijacked.

I do good work.
 

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Thread officially hijacked.

I do good work.

Yeah I thought maybe OP could take the test and post results, but I forgot that they had already mentioned that they don't take tests any more, since they know what each question is referring to. :facepalm:
 

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It's all good, I don't mind!
I kinda wish i could easily take a test. That's the price of knowledge I suppose.
 

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I kinda wish i could easily take a test. That's the price of knowledge I suppose.

In all seriousness, YOU already have a very good understanding of Typology. Combine that with the fact that you got a good deal of feedback from Auburn (who I know to also have an extensive knowledge of typology) I think you should be in a good place considering your type. I might want to pick Auburn's brain about what type they think I am from one of the videos I have linked here while Auburn what (apparently) absent.

As far as typology goes, really all I can say for certain is that I am an Enneagram 4 of some sort. I also am probably CDS or CSD for DISC as well. When it comes to MBTI, I am pretty much lost.
 

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It's all good, I don't mind!
I kinda wish i could easily take a test. That's the price of knowledge I suppose.

For what it's worth, I've taken a particular test 2 times, with a long time in between each take, and I could basically tell what each question referred to (not 100%, but a rough idea) and I took the test once when I thought I was ISTJ (herpderp...) and again thinking I'm INFJ, and the results were very similar each time.*

So I think test results are going to be quite accurate even if you're biased in your responses, by having a type already in mind or basically knowing what the questions are referring to.

I can see some INTJ qualities in your pictures, although that's not too atypical for INFJs either, if for some reason you were in a bit of a T-mood at the time. If you're pretty sure of Fe being significantly higher than Te, then INFJ it is.

Also, I relate to feeling that I understand something without really being able to say what I know about it (Ni, yo). Sometimes when questioned, I'll feel as if maybe I was just BS'ing the whole time (which sometimes I probably am - the lines do get blurry) but generally I pull through if put to the test.

* however in saying that, I just thought of a different test in which the results -did- depend highly on what type I thought I was at the time, because I had convinced myself that I had qualities which I did not, and so had been a bit too free in my interpretations
 

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When posed with the question; "Do you know how to...?" My response is typically: "I will in five minutes."

Forums are tricky. In general whilst online my introverted aspects tend to be more visible, my Ni and Ti tend to stick out more. I'd say that I'm pretty certain about Ti. Fe is probable, but it tends to be somewhat hidden when I'm introverting. I can move through social situations with ease, and I'm very in tune with my outside environment. Thought provoking media is amazing, but I especially like media that has a deep emotional landscape. I watch anime in part to experience a character's emotion. To experience it and to let it effect me.

INTJ is a possibility. When first introduced to MBTI, I was mistyped as an INFP. I trusted my friend's understanding of mbti, so it took me a long time to realize that that wasn't my type. I looked at INTJ when typing a friend, and thus gained a better understanding of Ni. After realizing that I was probably a Ni user, I reconsidered my understanding of all the functions. I had been confident about Fe from the beginning, but had second guessed myself every step of the way. I remember describing Fi to a friend in a way that almost perfectly resembled Fe. "See, Fi is different. My Fi let's me FEEL other's emotions." ... :P
Took me 3 years to retype myself.

I'd say I'm pretty confident with INFJ. I actually just talked with an INTJ friend/mentor. I was telling him about an experience I had had and he started asking me how it made me feel. It made me smile a bit on the inside. Despite his cool exterior, he's still warm on the inside. INTJs are beautiful that way.
For me though, my heart is a messy place. My values are usually based on logic and/or directed towards others, it's all but impossible to discern strong emotions directed towards myself. But then again, I am a 9w1. (Or so I think, enneagram is a frontier I have yet to conquer.)

Edit:
Yes, tests.
I don't know.
It's tricky.
When I read the answers, I can easily discern which function each is oriented towards. And that offers another perspective to look from. Thing is, what if I misjudge myself. Or what if I feel that the question does not properly reflect the function is oriented towards. The former is rather easy if i begin to overanalysize. The latter doesn't necessarily happen, but if it did I would find myself in a position where I would either have to redefine my views on the functions or reject the original test and it's results.
 

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I'm 9w1 or at least I was. If you need someone to compare to like Lag says let me know. The running theory is that I'm INFP potentially INFJ or some ENTP type thing so seeing the differences might clear things up. Alternatively it could just confuse things as I have a way of doing that.

Edit: Actually reading the thread I wonder if Auburn has changed his opinion on me over the years.
 

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I'm 9w1 or at least I was. If you need someone to compare to like Lag says let me know. The running theory is that I'm INFP potentially INFJ or some ENTP type thing so seeing the differences might clear things up. Alternatively it could just confuse things as I have a way of doing that.

Edit: Actually reading the thread I wonder if Auburn has changed his opinion on me over the years.

Okey dokey, thanks. I feel satisfied with 9w1, but I'm open to comparing.

Also you strike me as a ENTP. Your posts have a bit of a Ne-ish quality to them. It's hard to describe, it's almost seems like ideas/thoughts continue to flow in as you type. In general I see a strong indication of Ne-Si rather than Se-Ni. I could be wrong though.
Ti seems like the most likely possibility. In general logical consistency seem to be more important to you than your personal emotional response. But. That could be the result of type 9.

I'd favor a lean towards ENTP, but ENFP/INFP/INTP are also possible.
 

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I'm 9w1 or at least I was. If you need someone to compare to like Lag says let me know. The running theory is that I'm INFP potentially INFJ or some ENTP type thing so seeing the differences might clear things up. Alternatively it could just confuse things as I have a way of doing that.

Edit: Actually reading the thread I wonder if Auburn has changed his opinion on me over the years.

9w1 - that's what I type as! ^_^

Okey dokey, thanks. I feel satisfied with 9w1, but I'm open to comparing.

Also you strike me as a ENTP. Your posts have a bit of a Ne-ish quality to them. It's hard to describe, it's almost seems like ideas/thoughts continue to flow in as you type. In general I see a strong indication of Ne-Si rather than Se-Ni. I could be wrong though.
Ti seems like the most likely possibility. In general logical consistency seem to be more important to you than your personal emotional response. But. That could be the result of type 9.

I'd favor a lean towards ENTP, but ENFP/INFP/INTP are also possible.

Did you get a feel for my type at all?
 

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Also you strike me as a ENTP. Your posts have a bit of a Ne-ish quality to them. It's hard to describe, it's almost seems like ideas/thoughts continue to flow in as you type.

Huh, I guess I do start typing without knowing how it's going to end...
 

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Did you get a feel for my type at all?

After looking at some of your posts here and elsewhere INFJ seems solid. I sometimes have difficulty separating Ti and Ni, but you seem to have both. Whenever you construct an idea, you seem to have a relative awareness of it's shortcomings or potential ramification, traits that I associate with Ni. I understand that this can also be exhibited by Ti users, but the way you do it gives me more of a Ni vibe. Ni-Ti in general can be thought to attempts to construct a perfect hypothetical model of something. Once a model has been constructed, it then is compared to the real world equivalent model. Ni quickly points out discrepancies between the real model and the hypothetical one, and the hypothetical one is then adjusted.
Anyways, for you I'd agree with INFJ. Arguments could be made for INTJ, ISTP, or INTP. Extroverted counter parts are less likely but still possible.

I 'spouse I should go for a brief definition of my understanding of functions.

Si-Ne:
Si sort of "memorizes" the results of past actions. "Last time we did it this way, it went pretty well. Not perfect, but well." Ne provides a solid counter balance. It's focused on all the alternate possibilities and explanations. When asked to do a task again, Si will remember how it was done last time and Ne will bring up a list of alternative methods.
Si doms and auxs will tend towards a more conservative approach. They will tend to stick to the original method or an alternative method that shares characteristics with the tried and true. They still explore with Ne, searching for better methods. As they try new things the get a better understanding of what works and what doesn't. History shows this to work, and not this.
Ne doms and auxs tend towards a more open approach. They see all the alternatives, and they want to explore. They still use Si to help understand what is effective and what isn't. Sometimes, if a new idea goes especially bad and they've only explored the method a few times, I've observed them to stick more rigidly to the tried and true. Ne doms seem to be more rigid about some things than Si doms surprisingly. But this could merely be an observation.

In general, Si-Ne can be thought of as additive. When an idea is tried, impressions are gathered for each element. As new ideas are tried, new impressions get added to overlapping elements, and the impression of those elements grow.
The stronger Ne is, the less the elements of an idea tend to overlap.

Ni-Se:
Ni likes to understand individual elements of an idea. When Si is addition, Ni is subtraction. As a Ni dom I tend to try new ideas with minor, usually specific variations. Then, I contrast the ideas and subtract them from each other so that only the differences remain. In this way, I can understand the causality of my variations.
For example; I might notice that the more I push my foot on the accelerator, the faster the car goes. My intuition then equates pressure on the accelerator with speed.
In the future, I push my foot on the accelerator and it doesn't accelerate as much. This is odd. I quickly start looking for variations from previous experience in an attempt to isolate the issue. Eventually, I discover that the car isn't accelerating as much because it's on ice. Still my curiosity is piqued. My Ti(I think, could be Ni) needs to know why. So I examine further, upon further observation I realize that the gas pedal is linked to the tires. And I begin to discover the rules of traction.
Over the years my Ni has built a relatively refined tool kit. When looking at a new situation my Ni quickly uses it's past observations to isolate the elements of the situation that I don't know.
A good example of this is the game of broom ball I played the other day.
I haven't played broom ball in years, and my fine motor control is somewhat limited. I can get my body to do what I want, but only to an extent. As such, I'm not good at offence. But defence...
As I played I'd ask myself questions; "Who is going to get to the ball first?" "What direction are they going to hit it?" "What do I need to do to intercept it?"
And my Ni would quickly craft the scenario and compare it to reality. But when compared to reality, there was little to no significant difference.
"Who was going to get to the ball first?" That wasn't unknown information. I could look at the speed of individuals, their direction and orientation, and many time, I just knew. For the rest my Ni presumably subconsciously analysed them for potential future use.
Something more difficult, like: "What direction were they going to hit it?" Would be answered as my Ni quickly assembled information like their skill level, team, body langauge, and the information they themselves were aware of.
As for what I needed to do. I needed to avoid interfering with the previous questions, sort of take myself out of the equation, and then get myself into position. If I could do that, I would succeed.
As for Se, as it is more dominant, is less focused on figuring things out. Where a Ni dom might be isolating 1-2 variables, a Se dom might be isolating many more variables. I'd presume that as Se pulls in more variables, those variables become more difficult for Ni to isolate from each other. A Ni dom in a Se environment might experience sensory overload if they aren't prepared for it.

My understanding of perceiving functions is a lot firmer than my understanding of judging functions. I will endeavor to write a peace on them later though.
 

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Ucenna said:
After looking at some of your posts here and elsewhere INFJ seems solid. I sometimes have difficulty separating Ti and Ni, but you seem to have both. Whenever you construct an idea, you seem to have a relative awareness of it's shortcomings or potential ramification, traits that I associate with Ni. I understand that this can also be exhibited by Ti users, but the way you do it gives me more of a Ni vibe. Ni-Ti in general can be thought to attempts to construct a perfect hypothetical model of something. Once a model has been constructed, it then is compared to the real world equivalent model. Ni quickly points out discrepancies between the real model and the hypothetical one, and the hypothetical one is then adjusted.
Anyways, for you I'd agree with INFJ. Arguments could be made for INTJ, ISTP, or INTP. Extroverted counter parts are less likely but still possible.

Well, clearly you're quite good at typing people. :P Actually, when I first was questioning my type (INTP was the first type I tested as, which is why I ended up here) I ruled out extroverted types, and feeling/sensing dominant types, leaving me with those 4, however I ruled out INTJ as well because I was quite certain that I used Ti/Fe. Then, the more I read about Ni, the more it seemed to be my dominant process.

However, I later went on another process of type questioning and kind of "tried on" lots of different types, and somehow ISTJ ended up sticking. I think to make the ISTJ typing fit, I had to greatly reinterpret what Si was, and I think the way I understood it was probably closer to some other function altogether.

Recently I questioned whether I may be INTJ or INFP, because I had noticed that I have quite a bit of Fi, however I ruled out INTJ again because in my opinion I am very much a Feeler, and although INFP somewhat fit, my Fe was strong too and my Ni still seemed the strongest function, so INFP would only work if going by a totally different function order for the types. So back to INFJ again.

I think Auburn may have typed you as Ne because on here you are using Ne, in questioning your type, but really your understanding of things on an Ni level is stronger than the questioning aspect.

For my Fe, I tend to note that a lot of the time in my posts, I'll start with a sort of general assessment of what is going on, and then turn attention to looking at the person with whom I am speaking; this focus on the other person, being both personable/humanistic and outward-focused is how Fe often manifests for me. I also make use of other functions, with Ti certainly being strong.
 

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Well, clearly you're quite good at typing people. :P Actually, when I first was questioning my type (INTP was the first type I tested as, which is why I ended up here) I ruled out extroverted types, and feeling/sensing dominant types, leaving me with those 4, however I ruled out INTJ as well because I was quite certain that I used Ti/Fe. Then, the more I read about Ni, the more it seemed to be my dominant process.
Yeah. I've begun to realize that I have a very solid intuitive sense of the functions. I can see them, even if my Ti hasn't quantified them.

However, I later went on another process of type questioning and kind of "tried on" lots of different types, and somehow ISTJ ended up sticking. I think to make the ISTJ typing fit, I had to greatly reinterpret what Si was, and I think the way I understood it was probably closer to some other function altogether.
Yup. Sounds like me and my INFP mix up.

Recently I questioned whether I may be INTJ or INFP, because I had noticed that I have quite a bit of Fi, however I ruled out INTJ again because in my opinion I am very much a Feeler, and although INFP somewhat fit, my Fe was strong too and my Ni still seemed the strongest function, so INFP would only work if going by a totally different function order for the types. So back to INFJ again.
I wonder about this. What do you understand Fi to be?

I think Auburn may have typed you as Ne because on here you are using Ne, in questioning your type, but really your understanding of things on an Ni level is stronger than the questioning aspect.
Could be. Deciding to get a second opinion was very much premeditated. However, my post wasn't reviewed. I didn't want to put myself in a position where I was psychoanalysing myself. I'd be doing that on my own anyways. I was trying to take myself out of the equation, so that I wouldn't skew others' perceptions.

For my Fe, I tend to note that a lot of the time in my posts, I'll start with a sort of general assessment of what is going on, and then turn attention to looking at the person with whom I am speaking; this focus on the other person, being both personable/humanistic and outward-focused is how Fe often manifests for me. I also make use of other functions, with Ti certainly being strong.
This. This was my primary indicator for Fe. I tend to post in a fundamentally similar method. A Fe filtered through Ni.
 

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I wonder about this. What do you understand Fi to be?

By Fi I mean for example in staying true to what is important, enjoying oneself on an emotional basis, and gaining an understanding of oneself through reflection.

I tend to score roughly equally in Fe and Fi in cognitive functions tests.

I would say my Fe is stronger than my Te, my Ni is much stronger than my Si, my Ti is similar strength to my Fi and my Ne is similar strength to my Se, with a bias given to the introverted functions.
 

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By Fi I mean for example in staying true to what is important, enjoying oneself on an emotional basis, and gaining an understanding of oneself through reflection.

I tend to score roughly equally in Fe and Fi in cognitive functions tests.

I would say my Fe is stronger than my Te, my Ni is much stronger than my Si, my Ti is similar strength to my Fi and my Ne is similar strength to my Se, with a bias given to the introverted functions.
I really only have an intuitive understanding of Fi and not a Ti based analysis for it. It strikes me as more of a personal thing. Fi-Te seems to give me a more "emotional-based logical action" vibe, and Ti-Fe gives me a more "logical-based emotional action" vibe. I don't know if that makes sense or not. I haven't quantified it yet.


Actually the main reason I started this thread was because I had just come of a 3 day internet less(is) cognitive function binge. I had to find a way to reconcile my internal understanding with the external world.
 

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I really only have an intuitive understanding of Fi and not a Ti based analysis for it. It strikes me as more of a personal thing. Fi-Te seems to give me a more "emotional-based logical action" vibe, and Ti-Fe gives me a more "logical-based emotional action" vibe. I don't know if that makes sense or not. I haven't quantified it yet.


Actually the main reason I started this thread was because I had just come of a 3 day internet less(is) cognitive function binge. I had to find a way to reconcile my internal understanding with the external world.

So, would examples be altruistic action based on it having been logically justified (Fe/Ti), and committing to a task because it fits what one believes in (Te/Fi)?
 

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In general yes, but I'd limit their scope to simply examples.
I'm not comfortable shooting for a definition yet, but allow me to offer an example.
Have you seen Princess Bride? You must have seen Princess Bride. Your a cool person, cool people have seen Princess Bride. Please tell me you've seen Princess Bride. If you haven't seen Princess Bride, stop reading and go see Princess Bride.

Westley, the main character, is probably an INTJ(though a solid argument is possible for INFJ, at which point this entire paragraph falls apart.) and he exhibits Fi very well.
Consider his fight against Inigo Montoya and his fight with Fezzik. Both of his opponents treated him fairly and honestly, so he in turn treats them fairly and honestly, and spares their lives.
Next consider his battle of wits against Vizzini. It's clear from the beginning that his opponent has no intention of playing a fair game, so Westley pulls a few tricks of his own.
Next consider his dealings with Prince Humperdinck. Prince Humperdinck saw what was the most beautiful creature in Westley's mind(Buttercup). Yet Prince Humperdinck ddlid not value that beauty and instead choose to use her as a pawn. Westley's revenge is to not kill the Prince("I want him to live a long life, alone with his cowardice."). In so doing he's forcing the prince to endure the consequences of his actions and to live without true beauty(Buttercup). Honestly, Humperdinck probable doesn't care, he's just happy to be alive. But that's not the point. Westley's revenge isn't to make Humperdinck suffer, it's to deprive him of what he stole.

That's my feeble Fe understanding of it anyway. I often find myself jealous of Fis, there's something beautiful about there emotion energy.

Edit: Actually Westley's revenge against Humperdinck was probably more inspire by Humperdinck chickening out of the duel. For Westley, his revenge was to force the coward to keep running. I'm going leave the above original jn though, because I still think it is a good example of Fi.
 
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