Type Grayman

[Grayman]

@Redbaron

The feeling that drove me and my mental process:

How can one go against a definition defying what is naturally apparent simply based on a feeling? ( Girl is a girl and a boy is a boy but they say a girl is a boy) This is confounding and confusing and they must be wrong. Can i be so disconnected from them as to not be able to make sense of this? Then I go to find any and every possibility to make myself grounded again and give definition to reality by finding any other possibility that would bring sense to things again.

It is obviously not logical to defy definition based on an abstract feeling. I feel like I had just seen someone take square block and shove it through a round hole and because it fit they assumed they did it right at first. I think they are mistaken in some way and then I go into another room and I see everyone shoving square blocks into the round holes and I start to wonder if I am crazy and then become desperate to prove I am not.

If you woke up one day and everyone you met said 2 + 4 = 3 how would you feel?

 

[TBerg]

Grayman: Look up genetics, epigenetics, hormones in the womb, and transgender/gay brains.

If you didn't realize it, and it personally shocked me twice knowing how I was affected, but sexuality and gender are sometimes intimately connected...no pun intended.

 

[TBerg]

And who says bodily appearance defines the gender expression? Anyone with any sense knows that there are differences between what we display and how we feel. Sometimes what we display does not feel right no matter what we do, and sometimes our bodies don't allow us to do what would reflect our deepest wishes in terms of relating to others and connecting romantically. What if someone told you that your deepest desires of representing yourself to others were not only physically impossible but socially ostracizing to the point of thinking that there is no one out there who will love you for who you actually are deep inside? Finally, are you telling me that it would make no difference to you whether you were the ugliest person on earth or the hottest? Would it matter whether your brain was a attached to a female or male body? Your line may or may not apply to everyone else.

 

[Grayman]

Maybe this is the process of an INTP's Ti internal logical system imploding. Or maybe I'm just autistic. I can gaurentee you it has nothing to do with any moral guidelines or any issue with sex change. I could care less what they choose to do to their own bodies. I only want them to be satisfied with life. I simply don't like being confused by these abstract and seemingly arbitrary conclusions that the rest of the world sees as normal. It reminds me of how different I am and how I cannot relate to anyone.

 

[Grayman]

And who says bodily appearance defines the gender expression? Anyone with any sense knows that there are differences between what we display and how we feel. Sometimes what we display does not feel right no matter what we do, and sometimes our bodies don't allow us to do what would reflect our deepest wishes in terms of relating to others and connecting romantically. What if someone told you that your deepest desires of representing yourself to others were not only physically impossible but socially ostracizing to the point of thinking that there is no one out there who will love you for who you actually are deep inside? Finally, are you telling me that it would make no difference to you whether you were the ugliest person on earth or the hottest? Would it matter whether your brain was a attached to a female or male body? Your line may or may not apply to everyone else.

How I define myself is not any quality that is necessarily apparent to others. I define myself more by my values and intention thereof, than self expression, aesthetic, or (emotional type of feelings). I cannot relate to this at all. I don't define myself by image the clothes I wear or another attributes that of a physical nature. I am but a concept.

If I was in another body it would be difficult to adjust but growing up in another body would be easy. I might not know where everything is at first but eventually I would get the hang of it. I would have to modify my appearance to find clothes of a better fit and would be socially pleasing in order to influence others into perceiving me as a competent person.

 

[Black Rose]

It is difficult to tell with text but you seem to use Ti with Fe. An Te-Fi user would either go with tested information or personal feeling. Ti-Fe wont judge without knowing how feeling is constructed. Te-Fi experiences will experiment with feeling. These approaches show how INTP will be naive and INTJ will be hardened but both will understand that how it is applied matters. INTP contemplates rather than is a doer. They go over and over with what Fe tells them so they have good understanding of how it should be where as INTJ know what each experience was like for them Fi <-> Te. INTP will make assumptions that naive Fe produces but INTJ balance auxiliary and tertiary.

Grayman if you must choose between INTP and INTJ know that one is a doer the other a contemplator when it comes to feeling. You do know how to incorporate logic methodology in your thinking so I think INTP. Redbaron is more Te than you i think.

 

[Grayman]

It is difficult to tell with text but you seem to use Ti with Fe. An Te-Fi user would either go with tested information or personal feeling. Ti-Fe wont judge without knowing how feeling is constructed. Te-Fi experiences will experiment with feeling. These approaches show how INTP will be naive and INTJ will be hardened but both will understand that how it is applied matters. INTP contemplates rather than is a doer. They go over and over with what Fe tells them so they have good understanding of how it should be where as INTJ know what each experience was like for them Fi <-> Te. INTP will make assumptions that naive Fe produces but INTJ balance auxiliary and tertiary.

Grayman if you must choose between INTP and INTJ know that one is a doer the other a contemplator when it comes to feeling. You do know how to incorporate logic methodology in your thinking so I think INTP. Redbaron is more Te than you i think.

Thanks. Any reason you didn't say infj? It also has FeTi.

 

[Black Rose]

Thanks. Any reason you didn't say infj? It also has FeTi.

The only reason i did not say infj was because i never meet any. this is all theoretical to me so i don't have first hand experience and because i might also be infj rather than intj my balance is somewhat more mature when it comes to certain things other than people. You do act how i used to giving everyone a chance to voice their logic but i simply do not engage with people enough to say how i form my own opinion independent of Fe. If you are an Ni user you should naturally understand that your independence of thought is key. ENFJ use Ni for Fe purposes so you might be a more mature ENFJ. Ideas to them are social but INFJ are social secondary to them coming to an understanding on their own. INTJ are super independent because Te get the order of things on how to proceed chucking what they know into bigger experiential models. Their science is more tested but xNFJ are social science it just takes time for them to find out especially for me since i tried to learn Jung second hand socially but was hindered by heavy Ni. It was unclear how a type were being their cognition preferences to me. Ti would help me form everything i knew through Ni into a new model but i could not test that model and poor Fe-Se meant i did not gather sensory facts but only anecdotes of what other said of type. The only reason I don't think i am INTP is because they make models for the sake of making models. I am more likely to use Ni-Ti such as in my AI designs as self assembling, parts work together by codependency or including the unknown factors which would make it change. INTP would take all possible designs approach or include everything that could logically happen in a system. I factor in the evolution of my systems. This is how I as an INFJ think. I would say ENFJ is another option to look into if you accept my description but it is up to you to decide how you best fit.

 

[Alomoes]

Yep. Easy type when you look at how he acted towards me. INTj=INTP. INTj has benificiary relations with INFp. http://www.socionics.com/rel/bn.htm

As a note, this is also why I say that iNtuition has nothing to do with feelings. Have a look at the NTs, especially N doms, the NTs don't associate them with feelings. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but pretty sure if it is, it isn't so intense as Fi.

 

[Grayman]

Deviations From INTP....?

Obsessed with being competent in the real world and not so much concerned with what you know as much as what you can do with it.
More concerned with the end result. Although I like testing different methods for doing things I am really obsessed about finding the most efficient method. I strongly respect rules and regulations. But when those rules fail to accomplish their purpose I hate them to the degree that I will write up emails and link references as to why the rule is a failure and should be removed and if they continue to uphold the rules while not being able to show why those rules should be in place I lose respect for them and am at war with myself trying my best not to be obstinate with an incompetent manager. Being obstinate will not fix the issue so instead I am forced to work within the system in order to get the best results that can be obtained under such authority.

I rarely say Idk and often say well lets see if we can figure it out.
I admit when I am wrong even though I desire to be viewed as competent because I would view a person who couldn't admit it as incapable of ever being competent.
I am largely critical of others but put a lot of focus on making my criticism constructive. The end goal is what really matters and criticism that doesn't fix a problem is useless.
I work hard, am obsessed with being responsible and being someone others know they can rely on. I am always early and will help setup and take down at parties while I am largely on the sides letting others enjoy the party. I will even sneak to the back to help in the kitchen preferring to have something to do while socializing.
I joke around and never put unrealistic expectations on people which seems a contradiction of me being critical but expectations are an emotional thing while criticism is something I do in the name of progress.

 

[Massiv0r]

ISTP ;^)