Ti = Sleepy ?

[SkyWalker]

Te is answers to HOW questions (applicable solutions)
Ti is answers to WHY questions (philosophical maps)

Us INTPs and ENTPs (me) use Ti a lot.

To me it feels as if Ti makes me sleepy. Is Ti a sleepy function? Does it work best in a kind of sleepy state? Does it have a slow rhythm as well?

Te seems much more awake, and much more active and fast. Te is a busy bee / a fast rabbit, while Ti is a slow turtle.

Whats your opinion guys?

 

[smithcommajohn]

I'm naturally sleepy a LOT. Hmmmmmmm...

 

[SkyWalker]

are INTPs kind of sleepy in general? is this Ti?

 

[GYX_Kid]

Not sure if it literally causes drowsiness (the only way would be momentum of inactivity), but I agree with everything else

 

[Lobstrich]

I'm very very sleepy I sleep 14+ hours, unless I'm going to school of course (if I go to school, had like 38% absence last year, and I was only sick 3 days of the entire year. I've slept over 24 hours several times without having been awake for 3 days straight, which would obviously be a reason to sleep over 24 hours. I lie in the bed, sleep then I wake up look at the clock and it's 4PM then I turn around, wake up and it's 8PM and turn around again and finally with it's around 2AM, I wake up. It's almost lethargic.

But I can't say if that has anything to do with being an INTP I just know that my Vitamin-D level is extremely low, and low levels of D can cause serious drowsiness. I'm having it treated actually, so in a year I'll come back to this thread and tell you if I'm still sleepy! Hehe.

 

[Moocow]

It probably has more to do with your current health...

 

[Lobstrich]

It probably has more to do with your current health...

Why are you saying that as if I said something on the contrary? I said that it was exactly because of my health, lol.
You know, the whole Vitamin-D thing, eating too little, not getting a lot of sun since when I wake up it's dark etc.

 

[Roran]

If sleepy=bored then, yeah.

 

[Moocow]

Why are you saying that as if I said something on the contrary? I said that it was exactly because of my health, lol.
You know, the whole Vitamin-D thing, eating too little, not getting a lot of sun since when I wake up it's dark etc.

I wasn't talking to you. I was replying to the OP.
I agree with your post. Low vitamin D, poor diet causing excess energy being allocated to digestion, sedentary lifestyle, withdrawing from or depending on energy boosters like caffeine, and more are all dangers for the INTP. Blaming it on boredom or philosophy or other abstractions just ignores the physiological basis of our minds.

It'd be extremely self-sabotaging to try to pin it on personality. Sometimes it seems like people look for any excuse at all to avoid responsibility over their bodies, their habits, etc.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

I wasn't talking to you. I was replying to the OP.
I agree with your post. Low vitamin D, poor diet causing excess energy being allocated to digestion, sedentary lifestyle, withdrawing from or depending on energy boosters like caffeine, and more are all dangers for the INTP. Blaming it on boredom or philosophy or other abstractions just ignores the physiological basis of our minds.

It'd be extremely self-sabotaging to try to pin it on personality. Sometimes it seems like people look for any excuse at all to avoid responsibility over their bodies, their habits, etc.

I agree especially with the "withdrawing from or depending on energy boosters like caffeine".... If I don't have at least one soda a day I feel just out of it and irritable.

Responding to OP yes, I am frequently sleepy.

 

[crippli]

Sleepy = me, that's for sure. I've even used it as an online name.

I tend to fall asleep at all places. When I was a kid, it was rare that I didn't fall asleep at the dinner table and usually hit my head on the table scaring my parents. It's also handy, as I tend to sleep through airplane flights, train travels etc. I once fell asleep when I was driving myself, nearly ending up el morte. And no, I didn't wake up in time.

If people take pictures of me, I have to consciously open my eyes more, or else it will look more like a zoombie standing there.

Last time I was stopped by the police while driving they asked if I was on drugs, repeatedly. I had to tell them twice that they had already asked this question. I also had to blow the alcohol meter as "you don't look right, your pupils are way too big".

 

[Lobstrich]

I wasn't talking to you. I was replying to the OP.
I agree with your post. Low vitamin D, poor diet causing excess energy being allocated to digestion, sedentary lifestyle, withdrawing from or depending on energy boosters like caffeine, and more are all dangers for the INTP. Blaming it on boredom or philosophy or other abstractions just ignores the physiological basis of our minds.

It'd be extremely self-sabotaging to try to pin it on personality. Sometimes it seems like people look for any excuse at all to avoid responsibility over their bodies, their habits, etc.

Ah right my bad, I guess I thought it was for me. But I definately agree with you.

 

[ked]

I am a Socionics INTp; NiTe, and the only sleepy things happen to me when dealing with some NeTi, TiNe things like when learning endgame theory of chess, it making me sleepy.

Te means extraverted thinking (like talking); Ti means intraverted thinking (like thinking). Ne means extraverted iNtuition (visual); Ni means intraverted intuition (not visual).

When it's said one loses energy when on the opposite area like E vs. I, it means one feels sleepy there, or that it's more hard or/and uninteresting.

Ti to a Ti being sleepy? I doubt that as one's dominant functions are interesting, spontaneous, have more energy, easy.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Generally speaking, introverts have less energy than extroverts, though they have more "mental" energy, in that they can continue thinking even when tired (do introverts tend to have more trouble sleeping because of this? I lay awake for hours thinking sometimes, but I can't really imagine an extrovert doing this)

 

[SkyWalker]

Ne means extraverted iNtuition (visual); Ni means intraverted intuition (not visual)

This is also nice info. I believe this. Quite profound for me.

Ne diverges / generates all posibilities, is kind of visual, generates possibilities almost visually, generates many images, complete scenes, movies etc.

Ni converges possibilities, is not visual, because it kind of contracts visuals into the core concept of it, but how can we say it different? any good example of something non-visual?

 

[Jelly Rev]

Ti=low arousal because abstract why questions need low arousal to concentrate really hard. The higher someone's arousal the harder it is to think in very complex ways. The simpler the goal the higher the arousal you want.
as Te is extraverted and may usually be talking which takes a higher level of arousal.
To think about it Ti is prolly the lowest arousal function and lower arousal levels are associated with less emotion thus explaining intp's emotionlessness.

 

[scorpiomover]

Te is planning. Ti is analysis.

Analysis is what we do to work things out in down-time, so that we can develop a much better viewpoint, that is much more useful for processing future situations. So it's actually a process to improve our successes in the future, and the future will have a lot of situations where we will gain from those improvements in efficiency. So all in all, it is going to improve our overall lives a lot.

However, analysis takes a lot of work. So it needs a lot of CPU time.

When you are awake, you need to deal with what is going on. So analysis has to take a back-seat, and can only process things with the idle time of the CPU. So when you have a lot of things going on, or you are enjoying life a lot, that analysis doesn't really get very far while you are awake.

So a lot of our analysis happens in down-time, when we are asleep. Then the brain doesn't have to process what is going on, and it can use most of our brain's resources to analysing things.

If we have a problem that we wish to analyse, and it isn't easy, but it looks like it's important, or urgent, then we want to do more analysis quicker. That means we need more down-time, more time being asleep. So the brain releases hormones that encourage sleep.

When your brain finds a solution that works, the solution normally follows into the subconscious. Then you feel relaxed that your analysis is complete, for the time being, and that your potential future problems now have a way of being dealt with. So you suddenly find that you need far less sleep.

I certainly have found that when I have such an issue, something that is really bugging me, and I feel that I really need to work it out, I feel exhausted, and do sleep a lot more.

When this happens, it's actually a good sign. It means that your brain is managing itself well, choosing to put you into more down-time, for more analysis.

 

[SkyWalker]

i agree with the story above.

So I guess you guys agree that Ti is with low arousal (e.g. sleepy) and Te is with high arousal (e.g. alert)

if we were to introduce Fe and Fi into this:
- is Fe with even higher arousal than Te?
- is Ti with even lower arousal than Fi?

what do you guys think?
(lowest arousal) Ti > Fi > Te > Fe (highest arousal)