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Thread split from drunken club: Schizotypy and thin boundaries

kantor1003

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Technically, I'm not drunk (only a few beers), but I'm pretty drunk on my emotions. In a mostly positive way I may add. Have any of you experienced a sudden shift, say, in your middle twenties from being, over all, non-emotive to start experiencing frequent bursts of intensity of emotion? (it can be of any kind)
 
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In a mostly positive way I may add.
Good. :)

Sudden emotional shift... During mania and hypomania, yes. For me this started at ~19, but if it's developmental, than an extravert would experience it earlier.

Regardless:
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Good. :)

Sudden emotional shift... During mania and hypomania, yes. For me this started at ~19, but if it's developmental, than an extravert would experience it earlier.

Regardless:
h076193EB

:D

I know many forms of mental illness are characterized by such emotional swings. You relating it with periods of mania (defined as mental illness marked by periods of great excitement, euphoria, delusions, and overactivity), might be accurate in my circumstance as well. Some nights, looking at the ceiling, I can burst out laughing in realizing, and undergoing new 'insights' that I get the sense of having gained. Of course, I notice this and get the almost immediate thought of me being psychologically disturbed, but I don't care at that particular moment. I just laugh in relief with this newly arrived at, and often highly temporal, perspective that renders all other, and earlier sources of concern, redundant and, as signified by my laughter, comical and/or outright ridiculous (including me thinking myself mentally disturbed).

Yes, you are probably right that an extravert would experience it earlier.

Drink more you say? If only I could. I will make it up tomorrow:P Music will serve as my drug for the remainder of this evening.

"Good. :)"

:D Thank you:)
 

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Gah!

That just led me to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundaries_of_the_mind

Guess who's not sleeping tonight? :D

Great find! Yet another psyche-model. I'm not sure how healthy they are for those with 'thin boundaries':P

Would you say you have thin boundaries? My guess would be yes judging from some of your recent posts (I think in one of 'not's threads) that describe some of what you have been seeing/experiencing.
For myself, I used to have thick boundaries - a clear separation between 'reality and fantasy', a solid and clear image of self - but the walls just kept falling down, falling down!

I usually steer clear of anything new age, but I had to smile when I read this: "Adherence to new age beliefs and practices, such as yoga, reiki, divination, and astrology, is positively correlated with thin boundaries as well as with measures of schizotypy and magical thinking. New age beliefs and thin boundaries may be related through such shared factors as a sense of "connectedness", holism and emotional sensitivity, as well as a thinking style defined by looseness of association. That is, new age beliefs and practices encourage the development of emotional sensitivity and a sense of "holistic self-awareness" associated with magical thinking and the belief that 'everything is connected.' "

Edit: For an assessment: http://www.youremotionaltype.com/boundaries/quiz.html

I got 43, though I'm not entirely sure with my answers.

"A definite relationship has been shown between thin boundaries and Intuition and between thick boundaries and Sensing. To a lesser degree, thin boundaries are associated with Feeling and thick boundaries with Thinking. Also to a lesser extent, thin boundaries are associated with Perception and thick boundaries with Judgment. No correlation has been found between either boundary type and Introversion or Extraversion."
 

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I got 43, though I'm not entirely sure with my answers.

*gasp* I got 43 too -- our boundaries are destined to dissolve into one. :cutewhitekitten:

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"Adherence to new age beliefs and practices, such as yoga, reiki, divination, and astrology, is positively correlated with thin boundaries as well as with measures of schizotypy and magical thinking. New age beliefs and thin boundaries may be related through such shared factors as a sense of "connectedness", holism and emotional sensitivity, as well as a thinking style defined by looseness of association. That is, new age beliefs and practices encourage the development of emotional sensitivity and a sense of "holistic self-awareness" associated with magical thinking and the belief that 'everything is connected.' "

^ I have to lol a little at this due to my own tendencies. I think a lot of my interests are in "thin" areas, but that by necessity I try to root it in rigorous thicker thinking. I don't think I ever stay in either extreme for very long, what I wrote on grip experience might be relevant though.
 
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I got a 55... :o

Definitely thin boundaries, like a hive mind within my own mind. Every once in a while the planets in my head align and I have an insight, or something to that effect. Though at the same frequency I find myself feeling unable to think with drool running down my chin.

They used to be thicker until I got into grad school and joined the forum; then there was a definite domino effect. As an undergrad I would have scored a 26.

And about "holistic self-awareness"... I found this too. Summary: Schizotypy (schizotypal "personality disorder") is evolutionarily advantageous and individuals who demonstrate high schizotypy are likely to practice shamanism.
*adopts the posture of a grumpy old man with a bulging eyeball, pointing a gnarled finger @Kantor*: I know you and your senses of obligation and humility that I don't have... :beatyou: I don't expect you to watch it, just making it available if you want to. :p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WwAQqWUkpI
Though I disagree wholeheartedly with his description/accusation of concreteness.
^ I have to lol a little at this due to my own tendencies. I think a lot of my interests are in "thin" areas, but that by necessity I try to root it in rigorous thicker thinking. I don't think I ever stay in either extreme for very long, what I wrote on grip experience might be relevant though.
I think "grip experiences" highlight the difference between "positive" and "negative" schizotypy, i.e. there's too much emphasis on anhedonia, demotivation, and inattention whereas schizotypy also encompasses hyperawareness, hyperarousal, and awesome shifts in perception and understanding.
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Can you split the thread? Pretty please? :D :o
 

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Can you split the thread? Pretty please? :D :o
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As you will. Will get back to the rest later, but trust your boundaries to be beyond the Epic Marmot. :D
 

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i get different numbers depending on where i click

that's mighty damn thin
 

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But I think the test is dumb. Like, srsly? That blunt instrument is going to actually say something insightful about the thickness of idea boundaries in the mind? Meh.

one of my gripes: I don't think the binary as set up in that test is accurate, I think one can be both "down to earth" and having a sense of realism, as well as having feelings and fluidity between ideas; they are not mutually exclusive.

EDIT: I feel pretty thin much of the time -- everything flows into everything else -- but that's not my only mode, I'm capable easily of distinctions. I have a sense both of flow AND of "realism" in my head at once... kind of like being fully capable of dreaming + keeping both feet on the ground all at once.
 

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56 for me!

Thanks for spliting this out. I was going to and then forgot.

I haven't decided if this stuff is just mere floof yet or not.
 

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For me, I'm on both sides of the spectrum depending on what I'm doing. 18 was my score but when I am thinking about a problem that is more creative than memory, I go into my inner vision and it becomes my new reality. I interact with people here and often they are real life people and my mind is filling in history or possibilities of these individuals. I live their experiences through them. The feelings are very real to me but the images are often blurry like a memory. When I come out the vision I can I often think I know what the other person was feeling and I have to physically separate this imaginary feeling from reality.

Books and movies can put me in visions like this and my heart and adrenaline can be driven from the experience. This makes books exciting for me. I often feel more emotion through these images than I do myself or even watching real people. In fact when trying to determine how I feel, I believe I create an image of myself and live through that fake me. I think it is some kind of way I communicate with my subconscious.
 

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you are just jelly cause you're thicker than me

yeah, and you're so thin they could spread you on a cracker without providing substantial snacktime nourishment!
 
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56 for me!

Thanks for spliting this out. I was going to and then forgot.

I haven't decided if this stuff is just mere floof yet or not.
I wouldn't call it floof (I wouldn't call anything "floof" :D), but I do question the construct validity of "thinness."

Schizotypy measures should be more accurate, amirite?
 

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I'm surprised, apart from Grayman, Puffy and I are the sanest people around! Jenny claims to have her feet on the ground, but that's only because she's so lost in her own fantasy world that she mistakes it for the real thing. Her 'distinctions' are distinctions, not of fantasy and reality, like she believes, but are, in actuality, distinctions of a set of differing personalities, all with dissimilar perceptual interpretations (what I will refer to as schizo aisthesis) that only occasionally manage to merge in a meta-state allowing her to recognize their dissimilarity and to arbitrarily favor one (what she terms 'reality') over the other (what she terms 'fantasy'). Poor thing.

TheHabitatDoctor: I watched the lecture yesterday and I quite enjoyed it. Unfortunately, he spent far more time on OCD relating it with ritual practices than he did schizotypal disorder, though it's a highly fascinating topic in it's own right. His point with schizotypy being that 'speaking in tongues' is desirable if done at the right time, which means that anything short of full blown schizophrenia, where we assume a lesser degree, or an absence, of control, can be evolutionary advantageous in limited amounts. It would have been interesting to hear him say something more on that particular point, on why, assuming it's the case, we value, or need a shaman; a 'thin boundary', schizotypal, 'loose thinking', 'I-have-contact-with-the-beyond' kind of person.

Jenny: What I liked with the thin/thick model was similar to what I liked about mbti when I first encountered it. Traits identified with thin boundary put into a general theory aspects of what I have thought to be traits in my own person. In particular, a weaker sense of identity so that one easily get the sense of loosing one self in others, and an'openness to experience'. I have no clear moral system yet, so I usually have no second thoughts about engaging in activities that may otherwise be frowned upon by society, in it being considered 'dangerous', 'weird', 'mad' or whatnot. Most I knew growing up are very limited in what they, due to a solid and narrow point of view, can allow themselves to do or observe without condemning (not that it's necessarily a bad thing). This openness to experience coupled with a weak sense of identity might cause problems for me down the road because a weak sense of identity makes me prone to seek myself in others, or in various models (ie. the 'boundaries of the mind'), and an openness to experience might cause me to seek it in places one shouldn't really go without first having a firm sense of what you are.
I might have been thinking along these lines when I suddenly found myself in some backyard in the middle of the night drinking what was presumably a mixture of red wine and human blood in the company of at least two confirmed psychiatric cases while listening to someones highly fragmented, and next to impossible to follow though well articulated thoughts on everything from the nature of reality/pan, to perversion-narcisism, to neo-hegelianism, to Zizek's sublime object and ideology, while some other where trying to show how, in fact, we were all living in the matrix.
 

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I am not crazee.

Ur words inflame me w/ desire. I must m33t u. Where do u live?

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^^ No, these are not shiny weapons, they are declicate carresses of love.
 
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