Thought: Reproduction/Cloning and free will cannot co-exist

[YOLOisonlyprinciple]

1. So, if i am a free willed person, then my body moves the way i tell it to. My arm cannot have a seperate goals and ambitions different from me.
It cannot be that my arm has a "free will" to write while my body/me is exerting its "free will" to play games.

A sperm and an egg are both parts of your body, they were created by your body. Then when they unite an embryo and a baby forms which grows up to be a different human.

Now your child was a part of you, but now it does things which are different from what you want it to do. It has a different set of thoughts and actions.
How is that possible? If by definition a part of you cannot have a set of thoughts different from you because it will break the logic of free will and only chaos will remain.

Does this leads to the conclusion that the concept of free will might be wrong?


2. The fact that a part of you can evidently show a set of thoughts different from you suggests that every part of you may have be an independent sentient being. Your arm might have a set of "thoughts" which are different from the person who is typing, but HOWEVER the arm's thoughts and your thoughts result in the same physical activity.
The arm's thoughts might be very primitive/drastically different than the person typing, but both result in the end real-world action of typing


So, this results in my concept of "free thought" but not "free will". I believe everyone can think freely but they cant act freely. Our thoughts and actions are independent of each other and exist on seperate planes, but they however seem to correlate to each other.
This leads to the concept of sentience in not only your arm but also a rock, and also a part of a rock.


Your thoughts?





Note, if you feel that the mixing of the sperm and the egg leads to some magic which allows an exception which creates sentience. The fact that cloning is possible from a single individual makes that a moot argument

 

[Turnevies]

Interesting story. I think at least part of the solution is realizing that humans are not a closed system: your babies behaviour is not only fixed by his genes, but also his invironment affects how he will behave.

Actually, you cannot even control your own sperm/eggs, except with some vague hormones. I think everyone agrees that free will (if it exists) lives in your central nerve system, so you can control what is connected to the neural network of your brain. Babies get there own central nerve system and can make there own decisions that way.

 

[Seteleechete]

You are a creation of the universe so this train of thought quickly leads to the general question if free will exists at all. On a separate note I would argue that scale of which you can decide something (an arm versus a child) is the differentiating factor.

Assuming free will two identical clones thinking in the same way would both have independent free will but it would be identical in substance.

 

[Haim]

It cannot be that my arm has a "free will" to write while my body/me is exerting its "free will" to play games.

There can be different parts of the brain that do just that, I think there is some part of the brain that decide on which action to actually take(what we call the consciousness).So with some modification or accident you can have free willed "hand"(actually just different part of the brain controlling the hand)
We are not actually made up from one "I", we have many neurons and cells.
Free will got noting to do with controlling your body, for example I am typing now, but it is not that I have much controls on the fingers, there is some unconsciousness that is controlling my fingers(a Biological neural network responsible for typing)
Free will is the perceived ability to change your actions and your own thoughts, say a computer can only do that actions it is programmed to do.
Note that I said perceived, because Free will is human concept, a human concept can only be subjective, from some point of view, even if from the universe perspective we can not change nothing, from human perspective we can.

Sperm and baby from biologic definition are not "you" they are other creature, also even if did have two brains controlling your body, that won't change a thing about free will as your brain is actually made up of a lot of "mini" brains/parts.