Thor's Hammer

[Vrecknidj]

Note: I am not a comic aficionado, so please, if you are, bear with me.

Can Superman lift or otherwise move Thor's hammer? Could he do so if Thor wished him to? Could he do so if Thor did not wish it?

Could a lightsaber cut through Thor's hammer?

Could Yoda move the hammer by using the force (or could any other jedi or sith)?

Could Harry Potter (or any other wizard) move it with the accio charm?

If Buffy needed to get the hammer to Thor, could she lift it and get it to him? If she wanted to lift it for some other reason, could she?

Could Dr. Manhattan move the hammer?

Could Q (from Star Trek, not James Bond) move the hammer?

Could Thor's hammer be used to destroy the One Ring?

Could Thor's hammer kill Freddy Krueger?

Some of these kinds of questions are addressed either directly or tangentially on some comics sites (or even Wikipedia), but, I'm addressing my INTP speculators.

Something to think about that has no real world consequences. Something light. Nothing about Christianity or economics or whether INTPs should date emo NFs.

 

[Absurdity]

Could Thor's hammer be used to destroy the One Ring?

I think so. Thor would roughly correlate to a Valar in Tolkien's cosmology, while Sauron is a lesser being (one of the Maia). Therefore something Sauron created, like the Ring, could be undone by a higher power, like Thor and his hammer.

 

[Hadoblado]

You say this is something light, but believe you me, consequences will never be the same.

These questions often end up in massive nerd brawls, but the questions themselves presume a consistency that is very rare in the fantasy literature.

 

[Proletar]

I hate to break it to you, but none of the things you are mentioning are actually real. They are written fiction, and most of the creators are either dead or have sold their fiction to a franchise or company of some sort. Thor and his hammer are both intellectual property. If you want an answer, you just have to wait until Disney owns them all and makes a cross-over. Still then, they could change their answer anytime they want since, you know, they own it.

Answer: These question doesn't have to be answered at all since there is no correct answer. (Except this one.)

 

[Cognisant]

Well if you want to be right, and boring, lets really get into it and discuss existential nihilism.

I mean if you think about it what are we doing right now if not wasting our finite lives on discussing the prospect of having a discussion about the inane details of a evidently fictitious and thus pointless hypothetical alternate continuum. Then again our finite lives are inherently meaningless, thus pointless on anything but the macro scale, so really, in the broader sense, it's impossible to waste an already pointless life so I suppose we should do whatever it is we enjoy doing for the sake of doing it, or kill ourselves.

You first

 

[Cognisant]

Can Superman lift or otherwise move Thor's hammer?

Well Superman appears to be from a post singularity civilisation given that his powers are beyond the understanding of any known science, then again if his race was comprised of beings like him it begs the question, how we're they destroyed? What seems more likely (I'm not up on his present origin story canon) is that he was genetically modified or whatever as a desperate attempt to save, or at least leave some record of his race. In which case if we compare Superman to Odin there's clearly a disparity, as prodigiously powerful as the former may be the latter is the one who likely has access to superior technology, thus we come to the matter of how Thor's hammer is secured to the ground. If it's merely extremely heavy (I didn't see the movie) due to some localised Higgs Boson field or something then it's probable that Superman could lift or at least drag the hammer about, if not practically use it, whereas if it's physically locked in space by some kind of quantum anchor (I'm really making this shit up as I go) then there's every reason to believe Odin is using the technological/logistical power of his empire in some way, in which case no matter how strong Superman may be Odin can just add more power to the inertial dampening field so that even if the Sun went supernova that hammer would still spiral around in Earth's orbit, completely unaffected.

Could he do so if Thor wished him to? Could he do so if Thor did not wish it?

Depends if Odin has removed the child lock.

Could a lightsaber cut through Thor's hammer?

Not if it's designed to be heat resistant (which I assume it is, being a weapon and all) I mean we could make materials that are at least partially impervious to a lightsaber and with Odin's technology Thor's hammer could have some kind of sub-space heat sink so no matter how long you hold a lightsaber to it the hammer itself will never become too hot to hold.

Could Yoda move the hammer by using the force (or could any other jedi or sith)?

Yoda at his best was no Superman (though I'd still pay to see the two fight) and though there are various other significantly more powerful force users it's still doubtful any one of them could move something locked in place by technology clearly far beyond their understanding.

Could Harry Potter (or any other wizard) move it with the accio charm?

It depends how magic works, I don't think Harry could but Voldemort or Dumbledore might be able to bend time/space around it so much that Odin would lose his lock on it, I mean the screwed up thing about magic is that it has no clearly defined limits, even after hundreds (thousands?) of years the wizards of the Harry Potter universe just seem to be screwing around with forces they don't really understand, and from time to time magic seems to make up or change its own rules for inscrutable reasons, e.g. Harry releasing the snake in the very beginning by making the glass disappear with absolutely no idea how he did it, an ability that never appears again.

If Buffy needed to get the hammer to Thor, could she lift it and get it to him? If she wanted to lift it for some other reason, could she?

Though I believe slayers are empowered by magic, that appears to be the extent of it, and as strong/fast as she may be I don't think she ever reaches Superman levels, then again her witch friend would comfortably fit in the Harry Potter universe so together they might be able to figure something out.

Could Dr. Manhattan move the hammer?

He breaks every rule twice over.

Could Q (from Star Trek, not James Bond) move the hammer?

Ditto, rule breaker, a better question would be if the crew of the enterprise could figure out a way, and I suspect that if given enough time (probably decades) they would eventually reverse engineer Odin's technology, if Odin himself doesn't intervene first.

Could Thor's hammer be used to destroy the One Ring?

Hard to say, it's magic after all and it's strongly implied that the One Ring can only be destroyed in Mt Doom where it was forged, not just in any other volcano anywhere else on middle earth or the absurdly hot fires that could be achieved by a combination of elven black smithery and Gandalf's magic, also when stuck during the council meeting the dwarf that struck it was repelled as if the striking force was reflected back, so I think hitting it with Thor's hammer (which strikes hard enough to daze the Hulk) would be a very bad idea.

Could Thor's hammer kill Freddy Krueger?

Given his magical and incorporeal nature I doubt it, however if attacked by Freddy Krueger I suspect Thor's heroic willpower will enable him to manifest an in-dream equivalent and that would be enough to at least banish Freddy, but not kill him as I believe he's an already dead malevolent spirit or something like that.

 

[Hawkeye]

Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.

There have been a few that have lifted Thor's Hammer because they have been considered worthy. Superman was one of them in a DC/Marvel cross-over.

You could also cheat like Rulk (Red Hulk) and simply grab Thor's arm and wield it through him.

 

[Proletar]

Well if you want to be right, and boring, lets really get into it and discuss existential nihilism.

I mean if you think about it what are we doing right now if not wasting our finite lives on discussing the prospect of having a discussion about the inane details of a evidently fictitious and thus pointless hypothetical alternate continuum. Then again our finite lives are inherently meaningless, thus pointless on anything but the macro scale, so really, in the broader sense, it's impossible to waste an already pointless life so I suppose we should do whatever it is we enjoy doing for the sake of doing it, or kill ourselves.

You first

Ugh... Have to get going to work in about 20 minutes. Here's my pushed answer:

Measuring fiction against other fiction is silly, since they are created by different people. In the end, the creator or owner of the fiction is always right. I learned that the hard way by being a Warcraft-nerd. The more I looked at it, the less sense the warcraft-universe made... Especially as time progressed. With the first expansion of WoW, they flipped everything upside-down by making Draenei the new playable race... for the alliance...

Draenei? Eredars that are not demons? Wait. Hold on now. How can this be? They talked about a race of demons earlier, not a pure race that was corrupted from something external. How can the leaders of the invasions of worlds not be evil entities in themselves? How? Ouch, I feel a burning sensation in my chest. And why did they come from a space-ship? I thought Azeroth was hidden and hard to get to. Plus, the Burning Legion had been there just years earlier. Werent the Draenei fleeing from the Legion? Ugh, my chest is pounding of pain. I must lie down.

And then Activision gets ownership of Blizzard, and we get a race of talking panda-bears? Based on that one bonus-character from an expansion of an earlier game that is unplayable until you finish a hidden level of tower-defence? Hold on, I just puked up a plot-hole, presumably conjured up by the dark magic of greed. And the pandas are monks, and ride around on a turtle that is also an island, and they have stayed hidden for thousands of years because little to no explanation?

Wow, this thing in my apartment is starting to suck up all my money and spew out merchandise. Hold on, I need to pour some gasoline on it. Also, I think I'm slowly dying from having had this dark magic inside me.


Lesson learnt: They can do whatever they wish. If you have a reasonable explanation for stuff like this, they can always piss on you and take a completely different path. Even rewriting previous material.

 

[Hadoblado]

There have been a few that have lifted Thor's Hammer because they have been considered worthy. Superman was one of them in a DC/Marvel cross-over.

You could also cheat like Rulk (Red Hulk) and simply grab Thor's arm and wield it through him.

That made me giggle.



Re: the one ring.

It could apparently be destroyed by a powerful dragon's fire, but in the era LOTR was written in, no such dragons were still alive (I could be wrong, it's been awhile). I think a force such as Thor's hammer should be able to get the job done.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

Spoiler

Ugh... Have to get going to work in about 20 minutes. Here's my pushed answer:

Measuring fiction against other fiction is silly, since they are created by different people. In the end, the creator or owner of the fiction is always right. I learned that the hard way by being a Warcraft-nerd. The more I looked at it, the less sense the warcraft-universe made... Especially as time progressed. With the first expansion of WoW, they flipped everything upside-down by making Draenei the new playable race... for the alliance...

Draenei? Eredars that are not demons? Wait. Hold on now. How can this be? They talked about a race of demons earlier, not a pure race that was corrupted from something external. How can the leaders of the invasions of worlds not be evil entities in themselves? How? Ouch, I feel a burning sensation in my chest. And why did they come from a space-ship? I thought Azeroth was hidden and hard to get to. Plus, the Burning Legion had been there just years earlier. Werent the Draenei fleeing from the Legion? Ugh, my chest is pounding of pain. I must lie down.

And then Activision gets ownership of Blizzard, and we get a race of talking panda-bears? Based on that one bonus-character from an expansion of an earlier game that is unplayable until you finish a hidden level of tower-defence? Hold on, I just puked up a plot-hole, presumably conjured up by the dark magic of greed. And the pandas are monks, and ride around on a turtle that is also an island, and they have stayed hidden for thousands of years because little to no explanation?

Wow, this thing in my apartment is starting to suck up all my money and spew out merchandise. Hold on, I need to pour some gasoline on it. Also, I think I'm slowly dying from having had this dark magic inside me.


Lesson learnt: They can do whatever they wish. If you have a reasonable explanation for stuff like this, they can always piss on you and take a completely different path. Even rewriting previous material.

So you're saying their are plot holes and inconsitencies in various works of fantasy fiction?

Excuse me while I don't have an existential crisis.

 

[Cognisant]

Fantasy has plot holes, science fiction has unexplained phenomena

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

Fantasy has plot holes, science fiction has unexplained phenomena

An interesting new line of query this brings up...

Would a photon torpedo destroy the one ring?

Would it destroy Thor's hammer?

We all know those Aliens from the Alien movies had acid for blood and I'm sure we're all confident that Thor's hammer could smash the hell out of one of those said aliens but would the resulting splattering of acid blood in turn disolve Thor's hammer?

If you gut one of the aliens above the ring thus letting the blood acid pour out over the ring, would it disolve?

 

[Cognisant]

The one ring doesn't heat up in fire and its shine is never dulled by corrosion or an accumulated film of detritus, so it appears they the one ring is for all intents and purposes a light reflective null space, kind of like Minmax's sword in the webcomic "Goblins", indeed a more realistic one since it's never explained why Minmax's sword is light absorbing whereas considering that it can be held (so it's not just a hole in reality like the white oblivion spaces) you would think that all light hitting it would be reflected, whereas all light (and air) hitting the oblivion holes should cease to exist, making them black holes of suction, which paradoxically they're not.

Bloody artists

Anyway so if the one exists in a way that doesn't interact with the rest of reality (which would explain the force reflection property, since there's nothing to hit no force can be received and a conservation of energy means that energy has to go somewhere, rather it never leaves the hammer) no amount of physical influence no matter how large or energetic will achieve anything, even the xenomorph acid (which uses nuclear forces to rip apart the molecular structure of just about anything it touches, and btw there's real chemicals just like it) can't dissolve something that doesn't physically exist.

 

[Lot]

Can Superman lift or otherwise move Thor's hammer? Could he do so if Thor wished him to? Could he do so if Thor did not wish it?
Yes. And I believe he did in a cross over. Superman is a true hero, similar to Beta Ray Bill, so He could probably wield the hammer.

Could a lightsaber cut through Thor's hammer?
Probably not.

Could Yoda move the hammer by using the force (or could any other jedi or sith)?
Yoda, and Maybe Revan, could pick up the hammer with the force, but a sith couldn't even pick it up with the force. Yoda might be able to wield it with his hand.

If Buffy needed to get the hammer to Thor, could she lift it and get it to him? If she wanted to lift it for some other reason, could she?
Yes. It's not her strength that would do it, but her status as a defender of the human race from evil. Her power are from magic. I assume she would be a similar case to Beta Ray Bill.

Could Dr. Manhattan move the hammer?
He would just bend reality. He's an asshole like that.

Could Q (from Star Trek, not James Bond) move the hammer?
Most likely he could, but perhaps The magic in the hammer is stronger than his ability to manipulate the universe.

Could Thor's hammer be used to destroy the One Ring?
Yes. The previous reasons give are sufficient.

Did you see Hulk vs Thor? That cartoon was kick ass. In it hulk picks up the hammer and destroys Asgard. Hulk is one of those ultimate forces in the Marvel universe. World War Hulk. He beats the crap out of hero on earth. Once again another failure of Tony Stark as the leader of the Avengers. He's just as bad as Cyclops at leading the X-men.

 

[Vrecknidj]

My own take on the One Ring was that destroying that ring requires Mt. Doom, and that's that. So, Thor's hammer could beat on it all day long and not break it. But, I like some of the responses here.

I assumed that Buffy, Harry, Yoda and Superman could all wield/lift/whatever the hammer largely because they were of "the right stuff" morally speaking. But, for all of Buffy's evil-fighting, she does have an element of her character that's not so "clean" (occasional promiscuity [though not all would call it that], etc.). But, the other three still seemed pretty noble.

By the way, this all got me to thinking that a lightsaber outfitted with a kryptonite crystal could be bad news for Superman.