This girl thinks she's INTJ but I'm seeing INTP. Thoughts?

[goingmyownway]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIhoJD5YXVs

She had to realize that thinking only leads one around in circles. An INTJ would never have to realize that. An INTJ values thinking only insofar as it helps him achieve goals. Generally, getting lost in thought and not making progress on a problem for a year (!) is an INTP issue. I know it's one I've faced.

In another video she mentions she hated school because of the excessive structure and that she spent her 20's reading and didn't come out of her shell until she was 29. In her video on Italy she uses the classic INTP language of "observing" that Italians say they have the best of everything, whereas I think an INTJ would have taken a less neutral stance, perhaps saying outright that such could not be true. She is also a patient and clear teacher and makes a point not to use advanced vocabulary; these are standard for INTP's, issuing from the Ti concern for clarity and egalitarianism.

For these and other reasons I describe in my post there (My username is George McFadden) I think she is INTP.

This is an error I hate to see people make but I'm afraid it's all too common. I think the main reason it happens is that people use the 4-letter method (asking I/E, S/N, etc.) instead of taking the time to understand and apply the 8 functions, and choose the J in the fourth step because they think of themselves as pursuing and achieving goals. My experience is that most people think P means total chaos and never doing anything.

I would appreciate your thoughts on whether I have typed her correctly. I know that there is such a thing as a contrived image for a camera, but she identifies as INTJ so I assume that the on-camera version of her closely approximates the "real her."

 

[Brontosaurie]

She's almost like an IxTJ parody to me, the way she talks.

Why would an INTP be talking like this? INTP's are baffled, confused or disoriented when people take interest, while she assumes they do.

 

[QuickTwist]

Mhm. She could very well pass as INTP IMO.

I think it would come down to how she does her vacations though, like if she plans them out or not. *shrug*

 

[Sinny91]

If she didn't mention being an INTJ I would have assumed INTP with an assertive edge.
She appears to me to be competent, and I have no reason to disbelieve that she is an INTJ.

 

[Jennywocky]

God, would an INTP be that boring? [wait, don't answer that!] I sat through 4 minutes of that, and it's dry and pedantic and focused on her breathing problems blah blah blah, and.... ehhhh.

I can say I certainly have felt the same way before when I go into threads run by INTJs where they start talking about good living and health issues (which I suppose is the stereotypical obsession with Se themes). Not Interesting, at least in the way they approach it. To me, it's like obsessing over concrete minutia.

Some Ne there would be nice.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Yeah this video is boring, only about 2 minutes in and im already struggling to focus.
also i got the impression that she was role playing the part of the rational mbti type, because she kept feeling the need to remind viewers of how much she loves solving problems and finding patterns and what a good head she has and so on

 

[scorpiomover]

She had to realize that thinking only leads one around in circles. An INTJ would never have to realize that. An INTJ values thinking only insofar as it helps him achieve goals.

Yup.

Plus, look at the hand movements. All over the place. Her conversation is also rather aimless, and drifts. She's an NP.

She also talks about getting in touch with one's feelings as the general solutions to problems. INTJs that I've come across, think that feelings are irrational things that other people have and should be completely ignored. She's too bland to be an extrovert. But INTPs have their feelings so deep in the subconscious, that it's physically painful to get fully in touch with them. Jung even wrote that when T-doms get in touch with their feelings that the subconscious takes over, while is manifest in people who have temporarily lost control. Further, I've discovered that when INTPs follow our intellect and actually act on our Ti conclusions with confidence, that people love the results. Her ideas are also not based on reason, but experience with a teacher. From an INTP, I would expect a fully rational (if slightly crazy) explanation.

In another video she mentions she hated school because of the excessive structure and that she spent her 20's reading and didn't come out of her shell until she was 29.

She could be an extremely shy ENFP. But more than likely, she's an INFP.

Generally, getting lost in thought and not making progress on a problem for a year (!) is an INTP issue. I know it's one I've faced.

So do INFPs.

I'd say that she's an xNFP, who was convinced by society that rationality was the only way to understand things, and is only now getting in touch with her true nature. She probably did not have exposure to the true nature of how emotions are used to solve problems by the brain. It's something that science is only coming around to now in the last 10 years, and is still very far away from being integrated into scientific consensus about the processing of the brain.

In her video on Italy she uses the classic INTP language of "observing" that Italians say they have the best of everything,

More Ne/Se observations.

whereas I think an INTJ would have taken a less neutral stance, perhaps saying outright that such could not be true.

INTJs would be more prone to either agree wholeheartedly, or declare that any Italians that say this are irrational, and then give some arguments why Italians are bat-shit crazy.

She is also a patient and clear teacher and makes a point not to use advanced vocabulary; these are standard for INTP's, issuing from the Ti concern for clarity and egalitarianism.

INFPs are like this as well. Fi & Ne are also concerned with making sure that others understand them.

Where INTPs differ, is that if something requires a complex explanation in order to understand it accurately, then INTPs think that people should not be led astray by false explanations. If people are not prepared to make the effort to understand things as they really are, then INTPs would probably conclude that they just aren't interested in understanding the topic at all, and so nothing is lost by giving them the complex and accurate explanation.

She's quite willing to just say to look at her teacher's site, and learn from her, about "feelings", without any clear reasons why feelings are better. Saying "just do it" to an INTP, without explaining exactly why, is like waving a red flag in front of a bull.

This is an error I hate to see people make but I'm afraid it's all too common. I think the main reason it happens is that people use the 4-letter method (asking I/E, S/N, etc.) instead of taking the time to understand and apply the 8 functions, and choose the J in the fourth step because they think of themselves as pursuing and achieving goals. My experience is that most people think P means total chaos and never doing anything.

Yes. But it's mainly because people only think of the dichotomies as one-dimensional traits, and not real personality traits that occur in real people, who have to live real lives.

Take being an SJ. Imagine if an SJ always followed the rules to the letter in every single situation. They take the train to work every day. One day, there's an accident, and the line is blocked. No trains running for the next week. Someone who followed the rules to the letter, would just stay there waiting for a train till one came. They'd get the sack for not turning up to work for an entire week, without a good reason. They'd probably also be detained for being seriously mentally ill. So in reality, SJs couldn't function if they literally followed the rules all the time. What SJs really do, is they generally like to follow the rules, because most people follow the rules, and most people who do follow the rules, usually get the same results. So following the rules is a fairly reliable method that usually works. When someone suggests doing something different, they start telling everyone to stick to the rules, because the rules are reliable, while the new method is untested and thus has a good chance of screwing up and wasting everyone's hard effort and precious time. But if there's no downside to a method, or if lots of other people do that other method regularly and are even more successful, they'll give it a go, as they've got lots to gain and nothing to lose.

I would appreciate your thoughts on whether I have typed her correctly. I know that there is such a thing as a contrived image for a camera, but she identifies as INTJ so I assume that the on-camera version of her closely approximates the "real her."

At the mo, I'd say that she's an INFP. INFPs also often mistype as INTJs.

God, would an INTP be that boring?

No. Usually, we're way too wacky.

[wait, don't answer that!]

Too late.

I sat through 4 minutes of that, and it's dry and pedantic and focused on her breathing problems blah blah blah, and.... ehhhh.

No Ti, eh?

 

[Sinny91]

Bland? I found her far more interesting than some of the members on this forum, who have done video uploads.

Not that I would spend any more time on her video's.

I also got an NFP vibe, but she states that she's purposely trying to connect with her emotions.. So, what does an NT who is purposely trying to connect with their emotions look like exactly?

 

[QuickTwist]

Bland? I found her far more interesting than some of the members on this forum, who have done video uploads.

Not that I would spend any more time on her video's.

I also got an NFP vibe, but she states that she's purposely trying to connect with her emotions.. So, what does an NT who is purposely trying to connect with their emotions look like exactly?

From Russia With Love.

 

[redbaron]

This girl is fucking stupid like nearly every self-proclaimed NT who blogs about their life and sees fit to constantly attach the NT label to all of their material because of course it's really important that they're an NT and it makes the things they say more NTelligent.

Wouldn't want people to assess their shitty ideas on their own individual merits of course.

Bland? I found her far more interesting than some of the members on this forum.

Because you're fucking boring as well.

HuRp Smoke WeeD 69/420 ##h8MyRoomMates (repeat ad nauseum for effect)

*Conspiracy theory followed by something about how anyone who doesn't agree just doesn't want to hear the truth here*

"I'm an INTP, watch me demonstrate this by constantly mentioning how much I love the internet/information/nerdy things. Wow so INTP. Very smart, so logic, wow so intelligence"

Every comeback ever: hERpaDeRP SubtlE hintS TowARds InADequAcY

*posts trite platitudes to every member with any sort of life problem - "I rly care about yOu XDD"*

Fucking sheep.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

how are you guys reading anything at all from this video? -___- it's so 2D and it feels like her monologue and body language was carefully studied and perfectly under control. and its not even a convincing presentation of what an NT is like, because like i said she kept feeling the need to spoon feed people "wo000w im such woow i love problem solving im rational listen to my wisdom" throughout video

@redbaron how u making post before me am i that slow wtf

 

[redbaron]

@redbaron how u making post before me am i that slow wtf

I always finish first baby.

 

[Sinny91]

Because you're fucking boring as well.

Why omit the last part of my sentence?!

HuRp Smoke WeeD 69/420 ##h8MyRoomMates (repeat ad nauseum for effect)

Ugh, like you're any better. Sitting there trying to rip the piss out of people, but just sounding like a full blown twat 24/7.

*Conspiracy theory followed by something about how anyone who doesn't agree just doesn't want to hear the truth here*

Come meet me on the theories, rather that back seat bitching all the time, you fucking whiny little bitch.

"I'm an INTP, watch me demonstrate this by constantly mentioning how much I love the internet/information/nerdy things. Wow so INTP. Very smart, so logic, wow so intelligence"

What is this? Just more bitching. Why the fuck are you so obsessed with what I get up to? See me talking about you all the time? I don't. Forget I exist you fucking creep.

Every comeback ever: hERpaDeRP SubtlE hintS TowARds InADequAcY

Ugh, you're a slimeball, just grow up. Would you be stalking me with all this bollox in real life too?

*posts trite platitudes to every member with any sort of life problem - "I rly care about yOu XDD"*

What??! Why don't you spend less time analysing me, and more time getting on with your own life, you sad little grinch.

Fucking sheep.

Fucking twat.

 

[Sinny91]

I always finish first baby.

Not surprising in the least. 

And how many time's do I need to tell you to fuck off, before you actually do.

No need to answer all these questions by the way, they are all statements.

 

[redbaron]

It's not really that I spend a special amount of time or effort analysing you, you're just a special kind of idiot and a sad cunt who posts here 10 times a day.

And yes, if you were actually this fucking stupid in real life I'd tell you to shut the fuck up.

 

[Sinny91]

It's not really that I spend a special amount of time or effort analysing you, you're just a special kind of idiot and a sad cunt who posts here 10 times a day.

And yes, if you were actually this fucking stupid in real life I'd tell you to shut the fuck up.

I'd ask what the fuck it has to do with you, but I'm done entertaining this borderline harassment.

 

[Brontosaurie]

I wonder why Fukyo hasn't come to the rescue yet.

Oops, just thinking out loud!

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Redbaron m8 why you do dis? You're probably getting banned and it wasn't even worth it

 

[Hadoblado]

Even Fukky sleeps.

I wonder why people feel the need to label something or someone 'boring'. Boredom is not a trait of an observed object, it's a state of the perceiver's mind. If I am bored of watching something I stop watching.

 

[onesteptwostep]

I'm skeptical about her being an NT. The way she focuses her eyes and directs her hands also isn't too INTP either. Lots of Fe at the forefront too.

I'm with scorpiomover on this one, so either ENFP or INFP, or someone who's in the middle of that.

As for the OP:
This is an error I hate to see people make but I'm afraid it's all too common. I think the main reason it happens is that people use the 4-letter method (asking I/E, S/N, etc.) instead of taking the time to understand and apply the 8 functions, and choose the J in the fourth step because they think of themselves as pursuing and achieving goals. My experience is that most people think P means total chaos and never doing anything.

That's generally the problem with MBTI typing, all the people who are trying to type have different understandings of how typings should work, or just have a complete misunderstanding of type.

Anther tidbit to stuff in here: INTPs usually don't have an authority figure, they usually articulate things in Ti, which is not what the girl in the video is doing.

Going down the rabbithole...: I've taken a quick look at her other videos and they actually do feature some Ti in there, but then again some other ones have the same usage of functions provided in the OP. I don't think it's possible to type someone just from a bunch of videos. I've noticed that her hair changes a lot and that she wears glasses outside. Just things to note, how that affects or alludes to certain functions.

 

[deathvirtuoso]

Wow, that was some unexpected drama.

But anyway, I could barely get past half of it. I got very giddy by the way she kept moving about. It seems as though she's trying too hard to label herself as an NT. If anything, I agree with zerkalo. Idk, but she annoyed me lmao. I don't think she's an NT anyway.

 

[JimJambones]

Immediate impression was STJ. She doesn't seem particularly intuitive in this video. But, I will give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she knows more about herself than I do.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

She looks like an ISFJ who has seen the depths presented of Ni and been eternally shaken.

Take heed, for thy steed, shall be freed, when you need.

 

[Jennywocky]

...I do have to say, this thread was far more entertaining than the video. That's something, I guess.

 

[Grayman]

Wait, she had a breathing problem and instead of seeing a doctor she 'thinks' about it for whole year and experiments with it as if that would resolve it. WTF kind thought process is that? Then goes and sees some voodo emo master and displays an image of this lady as if any of this would be important for an INTJ trapped in a circular thought process.

Really just see a doctor and if that doesn't help see a psychologist to deal with your suppressed axiety.

 

[Haim]

Not INTP, not INTJ.
ESTP?ENTP?
A human?non human?
Are there any real communication benefits for us to decide on her language label?

 

[Grayman]

Not INTP, not INTJ.
ESTP?ENTP?
A human?non human?
Are there any real communication benefits for us to decide on her language label?

Too cute to be human.

It's as beneficial as achieving level 100 on WOW.

 

[ENTP lurker]

Yes, that girl is clear case of Fe + Ne + Si + Ti ... in some order. Maybe INTP, maybe overtly analytical ISFJ. I'm actually leaning towards the latter. Too much expression and focus on body. I'm actually pretty sure of her ISFJness.