Thinking

[Black Rose]

If you have lots of thoughts on topics you will clash with most people.
You are a thinker, and most people don't think, not even smart people think much.

I think part of your problem might be the way you talk, and I read your posts, I think a lot of times it seems you are correct, but you explain certain things differently.

Ni might be different from Ne

Even if Ti would be shared

That would be the confusion perhaps?

I think I met an old woman who was Te dom (ESTJ)

She said: "either you know or you don't"

I have memory problems, so I can't think fast.

But I like to get everything down in order so nothing is left out.

I am not looking for an immediate solution but one that works.

I need to plan everything, I do not just do stuff, because that breaks stuff and does not work.

Now, Now, Now, is stupid to me. I think things through.

Then people yell at me.

I don't like that.

I thought this forum would be a place to think through things.

I know that the forum where INTJ's go is much harsher.

I stopped going years ago.

Ni though, it is more for me to look inside.

Outside I keep Ti in view where I have to convey something.

Ti is objective even if introversion is subjective because thinking must be correct on what it needs to do.

I have lacked patience with unobjective sometimes because emotionally charged people force me to.

I really hate emotions, I hate when they get in the way of stuff that is important.

I cannot afford things to be done the wrong way.

That means I need to allow certain actions and not other actions.

If I do not then people do stupid shit.

I must pretend that their emotions are ok, just to not have things go down the sewer.

People get away with things when they can, because that is how they survive.

So if emotions allow a person to survive that is what they get away with.

That does not work for me, if I get angry and yell at people shit hits the fan fast, but with others, there are no consequences for them.

I cannot do stuff that causes pain, but with others, they do not care about pain, that gives them the ability to do shit I can't. That causes them to have the ability to have no consequences for their actions because they don't feel them.

Anything to do with feeling.

The consequences.

Are about pain thresholds.

So a person who is weak might think more carefully.

And a person who is pain-tolerant will jump into anything not caring about mistakes.

People will not care about my ideas as long as they have to pause and see what I am saying instead of taking immediate action on it.

Or they can feel some kind of opposition to it.

Whatever the case may be, I am slow and it takes time to see what I say.

That makes fast people reluctant to hear me out.

emotions are fast things

people can't wait

people don't care

 

[Black Rose]

I do not mean to be negative.

energy is low for now

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

priceless

 

[ZenRaiden]

I know that the forum where INTJ's go is much harsher.

Got banished for 10 years on that forum after lots of antisemitic infractions.
The reality is I was just pointing out something, but since stormfront attacked their forum the moderators had pstd and infracted anyone even so as much suggesting a jew person might be bad.
SO there was this debate about soros and I kind of round about way said something and immediately got banned for 10 years lol. Good times. Good forum, but bit up tight and very left wing woke liberal whatever.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Thinkers have a blind spot. That is direct experience.
Thinkers need to sometimes be like ESTPs in order to experience something.
We modern humans are so removed from direct experiences today that we don't even know how to function like human beings.
Direct experience is greatest teacher.
Also can be harsh teacher. Which I think is what most people avoid.

Thinking improves with direct experiences over time though.
It gives the mind something to chew on, otherwise it ends up eating it self.

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

Thinkers have a blind spot. That is direct experience.

for example

 

[Black Rose]

Thinking improves with direct experiences

I feel cautious and say this would be Te (extraverted thinking)

I worked on my computer program 10 years with no clue how to do Java

Yet I got something.

It seems that Te would not care much about one thing and stop mid-through.

Te would just do things and see what happens with experiments all the time.

That requires gathering enough resources to continue with projects.

Not sure how Ti does so but I guess that as the dom it would have near-absolute intensity to focus on all parts at once.

I am so distracted by social issues that I cannot see what to do if I get held up.

Mostly I give up when I lose the energy to think, I am not inherently a thinking machine where I hold many thoughts and manipulate them. When I do think in the Ni sense I like to have a blank mind and see what comes out, when nothing comes out it depresses me. Ti looks at options and alternatives, increasing working memory capacity. But with me, I need an idea and work on it over years because I lack the capacity to flesh it all out in my head. I suck at experimenting in the Te sense too.

 

[Old Things]

You seem to care more about your inner values than you do keeping the peace so I think you are INFP.

 

[Black Rose]

But here is the thing:

I do not have my values as my main priority.

I do not focus on them solely.

I am concerned with not being consumed by boredom.

So I need to think about stuff but I do so by interacting with other people.

If I was Fi or something I would be drawn into daydreaming all the time.

My sister constantly needs to feel things, I don't.

She needs to be entertained because ISFPs like to be saturated in emotions through their Se.

And INFP create their own inner worlds, I have this but it is not solely about phantasies.

For me it is about getting to the point of what abstract idea I want to explore.

So not dragons and castles and knights and princesses.

It is all about that intuition where I need to tell people what I've seen (metaphorically)

That grand vision of what I know to be true and possible if only we could find the right way to express it.

It is my inner system, not my inner world that matters.

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

It is my inner system, not my inner world that matters.

sounds like INTP


obviously we like sharing ideas

 

[ZenRaiden]

I think there is slightly more nuances to human minds than mere MBTI, but I would argue that cog functions are not perfect maps of human reasoning.

Ti is introvert thinking, it means the thinking is happening with insider logic, subjective reasoning based around some sort of frame of reference that may not be immediately objectively tangible in the situation to lets say someone with Te who has outsider logic and objectively tangible objects that they think about.

This means to me that INTP can figure out something logically or reason in a way that is not ready obvious, or seemingly objective, but none the less the output is result of THINKING.

Te would be easy to follow and easy to pin down to objective immediate reality.

Te is thinking, Ti is thinking on roids.

For INFP the Fi is feeling on roids. It is defined by internal world of the human being, and his/her/whatever feelings.

Vs lets say INFJ to me seems someone with dom Fe where objective tangible feelings around and conscious feelings (theirs) are part of the obvious equation.

So to put this bluntly Ti would be an equation that would have invisible variables, Fi would have invisible variables, Ni would have invisible variables, and all of those variables might also be subconscious or unconscious.

Good example is Fi in ENTJ. ENTJs act objectively logically, but thinking, when it comes to feelings you don't necessarily know where their values are at.

 

[ZenRaiden]

I think there is slightly more nuances to human minds than mere MBTI, but I would argue that cog functions are not perfect maps of human reasoning.

Ti is introvert thinking, it means the thinking is happening with insider logic, subjective reasoning based around some sort of frame of reference that may not be immediately objectively tangible in the situation to lets say someone with Te who has outsider logic and objectively tangible objects that they think about.

This means to me that INTP can figure out something logically or reason in a way that is not ready obvious, or seemingly objective, but none the less the output is result of THINKING.

Te would be easy to follow and easy to pin down to objective immediate reality.

Te is thinking, Ti is thinking on roids.

For INFP the Fi is feeling on roids. It is defined by internal world of the human being, and his/her/whatever feelings.

Vs lets say INFJ to me seems someone with dom Fe where objective tangible feelings around and conscious feelings (theirs) are part of the obvious equation.

So to put this bluntly Ti would be an equation that would have invisible variables, Fi would have invisible variables, Ni would have invisible variables, and all of those variables might also be subconscious or unconscious.

Good example is Fi in ENTJ. ENTJs act objectively logically, but thinking, when it comes to feelings you don't necessarily know where their values are at.

 

[Yamogono]

I get where you're coming from. Being more thoughtful and slow-paced in a world that values quick actions can be frustrating. It’s tough when emotions get in the way of logical plans. Have you found any strategies that help balance these differences with your roommate or others?

 

[Black Rose]

I get where you're coming from. Being more thoughtful and slow-paced in a world that values quick actions can be frustrating. It’s tough when emotions get in the way of logical plans. Have you found any strategies that help balance these differences with your roommate or others?

I realized what is most important to do, so yes I need to realize my goals are just about me being calm, I can do this by reconciling the need for approval and just being myself. I often get sad I think I am dumb but I realized I only need to have a new perspective which is my energy levels, and my short and long-term goals.

meditation on my emotions without having to feel bad about myself