Things "they" never would have admitted years ago

[Invoke Ninja's True Power]

2 things I saw admitted to on tv that never would have been allowed on even 5 years ago.

1) I saw this show on marijuana a couple months ago on one of the news channels, I think CNN. A guy flying helicopters for the DEA actually admitted they were losing the war on drugs.

2)This one is a little more ambiguous, nonetheless they aired it on tv. On the Colbert Report a scientist was saying they supposedly figured out the threshold for an unhealthy amount of carbon in the air was 350 ppm(parts per million) Apparently the global average is at 390 right now. Not sure if its just propaganda or truth but its interesting to see an actual # associated with global warming and that things will deteriorate if that # is exceeded for too long.

Also I find it hard to believe that the only country that has an atmosphere monitoring satellite is Japan. How stupid are we if nobody was keeping track of environmental factors on the planet. Just more proof of the negative effects a few people's greed is having on the rest of us. Wish I knew who/what to go after to end this problem. Hopefully someone has a clue what is going on and has their mind in the right place.

 

[RubberDucky451]

I've always believed that if Global Warming was real, we'd be helpless to stop it. I really don't think the world is united enough and not enough people actually care, for a negligible difference to be made.

 

[uth]

I agree we are helpless to stop manmade GW if it is real. Even the most fervent advocates would be unwilling to make some of the necessary sacrifices. And not everybody can buy 'carbon credits'

 

[Berkeley]

From my understanding, global warming comes every x amount of years and we are just at another period where it is supposed to come. However, i feel like we have the technology to survive it, just grab your coats.

 

[Agent Intellect]

Climate change is something that's happening, has happened before, and always will happen. That humans think they have the power to destroy, or save, the planet seems arrogant. The 350 ppm seems like a very arbitrary number, and the projections for what dangers climate change will have are always very fatalistic. The truth is, nobody really knows what will happen, be it negative effects or positive ones, and who knows, perhaps climate change will benefit the planet more then it will detriment. People have this vision of an idealized climate that the planet should have, and anything different could only be bad - not to mention the fact that the climate will never be 'stable'.

Is anthropomorphic affects contributing the climate change? Of course! Along with numerous other variables (the climate is most definitely a complex dynamic system). The climate would be changing right now whether we were affecting it or not.

 

[Invoke Ninja's True Power]

I don't like that the only factor they consider is carbon, what about all the mercury and other toxic metals/compounds out there? Not saying there isn't a natural global cycle that has hot and cold periods but I think its ignorant to think all the chemical spew coming out factories of mass burning and destruction of forests have no effect on this process.

 

[SEELE01]

What agent intellect said.

Also I had a thought, theres all this talk of reducing everyons "carbon footprint"

Lets say in 10 years were all screwed, so we cut everyones "footprint" in half.
Well now were all screwed in 20 years.

 

[Xel]

We aren't destroying the planet. We are destroying ourselves. Planet will "live on" no matter what we do to it.

 

[Invoke Ninja's True Power]

We aren't destroying the planet. We are destroying ourselves. Planet will "live on" no matter what we do to it.

this is true, although the quality of the planet might suck a bit more because of us. this is a matter of subjective interpretation though.

 

[fullerene]

You know what other planet's temperatures have increased, recently? Mars. Oh wait, don't forget Jupiter and Pluto either. But then, of course, there's also Neptune. And depending on how questionable sources you'll allow, there's also problems with Saturn (sadly the link it uses as a reference was removed by CNN.com, but it may've been a legitimate source at one point)

Damn, this is a more serious problem than we thought! Our carbon emissions might be fucking up the whole solar system!

 

[Artifice Orisit]

Also I find it hard to believe that the only country that has an atmosphere monitoring satellite is Japan.

I don't, Japan is the razor tip of the cutting edge.

 

[Invoke Ninja's True Power]

Saturn sure has some strange weather patterns, probably the most electrical planet in our solar system
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070327_saturn_hex.html

 

[Morel Panic]

Before the government acts on global warming, we have to assume all of the following
1. Global warming is happening...
2. ...due to elevated CO2 levels...
3. ...caused by man.
4. Global warming is bad.
5. The government(s) needs to act.
6. The government(s) has a good plan.

I think any one of these points can still be argued.

 

[SEELE01]

Before the government acts on global warming, we have to assume all of the following
1. Global warming is happening...
2. ...due to elevated CO2 levels...
3. ...caused by man.
4. Global warming is bad.
5. The government(s) needs to act.
6. The government(s) has a good plan.

I think any one of these points can still be argued.

You dare question the omniscience of ALL GORE!?

Boy you should be kissing his feet and thanking him for giving you the ability to argue these points online.

 

[Invoke Ninja's True Power]

I could care less if there's global warming but I do have a problem with toxins in the air from pollution. All the non-smokers complain about cigarettes but what about the factory down the street putting chemicals in the air 1000x worse than 2nd hand smoke could ever do?

 

[Agent Intellect]

You know what other planet's temperatures have increased, recently? Mars. Oh wait, don't forget Jupiter and Pluto either. But then, of course, there's also Neptune. And depending on how questionable sources you'll allow, there's also problems with Saturn (sadly the link it uses as a reference was removed by CNN.com, but it may've been a legitimate source at one point)

Damn, this is a more serious problem than we thought! Our carbon emissions might be fucking up the whole solar system!

Nice links, I'm gonna have to save those. I do wonder how much correlation there is, though.

 

[Xel]

Apparently the warming of other planets don't have anything to do with our warming at least according to this. However that lacks detail, which always leaves me searching for more, so Cryptonia might be right.

 

[fullerene]

Yeah... I realized, that actually came out as a different point than what I was thinking. When I wrote it, I can easily see how it could be interpreted to mean "all the planets are warming, so the sun is getting hotter or something." In my mind, I was actually thinking "see? The climates of other planets change, sometimes, as well."

I've heard stories of scientists having their funding threatened, or (more commonly) having trouble getting their papers published, if they show anti-global warming evidence.... so that just makes me sketchy about the whole thing.

However, I do like the idea, and think it a good thing, to reduce the footprint we have on the planet, and slow the rate at which we burn through resources and stuff... so I don't mind the results. I just find the evidence for global warming because of our CO2 emissions to be extremely weak. Even my extremely-environmentalist friend (who campaigns to recycle and helps raise money for environmental protection stuff) said that global warming is really sketchy, and most of the evidence coming out now suggests that it's not a problem... so I have a hard time believing the politicians and celebrities who try to tell everyone that it's a legitimate problem.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

It never seems to enter the equation that just possibly there is a solar system warming going on and our carbon emmissions are just making it worse for us. No, I don't have the scientific knowledge to give details but an open wound is one thing (survivable) while an infected wound is another (life threatening). The prime cause doesn't have to be man made for our actions to still have a negative effect.

 

[Invoke Ninja's True Power]

I use the same argument when I refer to people that like to put adulterants in drugs but it also applies to my perspective on the whole warming trend too. I will use a 3/4 pound triple cheeseburger as an example. The triple cheeseburger is unhealthy for you so since it is already unhealthy might as well add 3 sticks of butter and 2 days intake worth of salt to it, what difference does it make?, seems to be the common logic....err lack thereof. Harm reduction is better than rubbing salt in the wound so to speak. Although the current methods that are being implemented(too little too late IMHO, but late is better than never is my motto) are laughable. still better than nothing. At the core people are too greedy and subscribe too heavily to the illusion of money/ownership of things they don't truly own. You can only own a person if they are willing/forced to be owned and most are too ignorant to realize the money we own actually owns us.