The truth about reality

[air.ee.yell]

The truth about reality is that reality is an illusion in itself. All that's left to say is that people accept the illusion as reality because they can't stand to see the deeper truth; that they're meaningless. Their life is pointless. Humans are to the universe as fleas are to dogs. A flea's life is pointless and pesky to the dog. Human life are pointless and pesky to the world.

Why do we place so much importance in things that don't even matter?

 

[Ex-User (13503)]

Absurdism strikes again. What flavor you want? Sartre, Camus, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Buddhism, or Neoplatonism?

I like neoplatonism just because it allows me to make a neapolitan flavor pun that I haven't fleshed out yet.

What if they did matter?

 

[Seteleechete]

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[Minuend]

I'm kinda fine with having a meaningless existence. It doesn't really change anything

 

[Tannhauser]

Why did you make this thread if everything is meaningless?

 

[Cognisant]

Why do we place so much importance in things that don't even matter?

Why are you surprised that your existence lacks inherent meaning?

Dwell on that for a bit.

 

[Dorian Tullus]

okay we've come to this realization and now we are aware - we accept the reality

this mindset is well known by most and i believe that it isnt anything special to ponder on about further, we know it and then we move on with what is our primary goals, either trivial or significant in the face of a reality that never mattered in the first place along human beings

but for some that doesnt happen so easily and that is when existential crises comes about. the answers are pretty simple at face value and very boring and underwhelming - why do humans continue to value in things that dont matter? i would answer biology as a general answer, you can go on a more specific note by including neuron chemicals in the brain like dopamine that keeps our shit in place as a reward system for continuing upon things that are inherently pointless in the end

like contributing to these forums - i do it cuz it temporaliy, albeit in bearable amounts, stimulates me when im bored. that is why i made my comment unnecessarily long too, hahaha dam.

 

[Dorian Tullus]

neuron chemicals neuron transmitter whatever same thing

IT DOESNT MATTER ANYWAYS LOL

EDIT - am i allowed to say curse words?

 

[Black Rose]

I felt really sick yesterday, bad headache and now I feel better, I feel wonderful. Empty feelings don't exist when you are so happy. When you eat food it's a sign that life strives to continue existence. Oh my God - icecream.

https://youtu.be/GIL457-I72E

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Absurdism strikes again. What flavor you want? Sartre, Camus, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Buddhism, or Neoplatonism?

I like neoplatonism just because it allows me to make a neapolitan flavor pun that I haven't fleshed out yet.

What if they did matter?

I choose Inceptionism. We must go deeper into the illusion.

 

[Rixus]

Ah, nihilism. The belief that matter doesn’t matter. Because if all matter is just energy, then matter isn’t really real and doesn’t matter. So why the subject matter of matter mattering? You’re proposing that along with matter, anti-matter and dark matter we should consider doesn’t matter? For that matter, why does this matter you’ve raised even matter? The matter at hand is better dealt with by asking, “is something the matter?”

 

[Pegasus]

I think about this concept a lot. But in the end, whether or not we matter doesn't really matter. Because regardless of whether our existence has any sort of significance to the universe, we're here anyway, and because we're wired to feel things like self-preservation and pain and pleasure and empathy, our existence ends up mattering to ourselves and the fellow meaningless human beings we interact with.

It's kind of like how people say life is meaningless because it's short, but our life is the longest thing any of us experience, no?

 

[Pressure's Spring]

The problem seems to be that people are far too focused on the end.

Once they realize the end is an impossibility they freak out and devalue & denounce the process towards an abstract end and express that in ideas such as "everything is meaningless!" - they are wholly unable to endure incompletion (which cannot be overcome since reality itself is characterized by incompletion.)

The effect of such impatience? An impulsive response or vulnerabilities toward "complete" ideas such as: "life is an illusion," which has a range of adverse effects causing improper functioning of the infected individual.

Life is experienced as a process, not as a beginning and an end; being dominated by the need to experience it as the latter leads to a detachment to life itself.

 

[Turnevies]

Life, purpose, reality and truth are all ill-defined concepts anyway, to the question is meaningless.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

A flea's life is not pointless to a flea,
Stars in far away galaxies, are all but pointless to me.

 

[Ex-User (13503)]

I choose Inceptionism. We must go deeper into the illusion.

http://intpforum.com/showpost.php?p=556139&postcount=20

Post #16 as well for full context.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

Reality is what I make of it.

So h*ck off

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_qMagfZtv8

 

[Mapple]

Blegh. Nihilistic garbage.

You should never rely on the scientific model to provide you with a sense of meaning because it's meant to strip away of any subjectivity and get down to objective materialist data. Meaning is entirely subjective - it's something that humans create, but phenomenologically, that's the reality you live in (since your stream of consciousness can only technically perceive things, and how we bias our perceptions of the world makes up how we think of the world all together. Nihilism is also a form of belief and the perception of a meaningless universe is created entirely by the mind).

 

[ENTP lurker]

Well, I was one one of those kids who sat under table in daycare thinking that our reality is made up by outside observers and you can layer those realities never knowing where it starts. As a result they kicked me out and I was psychologically evaluated later.
I was apparently messed up because I was non-standard representation of human child. So the manufactured reality kicked my ass...

 

[Pressure's Spring]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0C1p5pL01I

 

[gilliatt]

Existence exists-something exists which one can perceive and that one exists possessing consciousness to perceive what it is that exists. Reality is that which exists, the unreal does not exist, the unreal is a negation of existence. No one tells a man what exists, but only that it exists. How does knowledge come into an individual man? It comes through the door of his senses.
We are just beginning to understand universal laws, world order, universal truths. Probably 99% of everything we think we know is wrong, half wrong. But law tyrannies over man and forces him to much that is contrary to nature. We are slaves of the outer world?

 

[DaDaMan]

What you have given is not a fact but an interpretation, your interpretation.

 

[JansenDowel]

The truth about reality is that reality is an illusion in itself. All that's left to say is that people accept the illusion as reality because they can't stand to see the deeper truth; that they're meaningless. Their life is pointless. Humans are to the universe as fleas are to dogs. A flea's life is pointless and pesky to the dog. Human life are pointless and pesky to the world.

Why do we place so much importance in things that don't even matter?

Such word Salad. Im going to take "reality is an illusion" to mean "Reality and our perceptions of reality are incompatible".

If our perception of reality is incompatible with reality itself, how is it we still alive? If our perceptions are incompatible with reality, then it follows that our actions are also incompatible with reality. But if our actions are incompatible with reality, how is it we managed to avoid the literally infinite number of life ending threats on earth? This can not be mere coincidence?

 

[Creeping Death]

Humans are to the universe as fleas are to dogs.

Maybe I'm being an ass and not taking in to full consideration the point you're making, but I don't see this comparison as being remotely close. A fleas presence is felt by the dog, and is a problem. Humanity as we know it wouldn't even be detected on a universal scale. You could say humans are to earth as fleas are to dogs.

 

[INTPWolf]

I want to know just how meaningless things really are, and that is my meaning.

 

[Black Rose]

Don't cry, don't be sad, be happy, feel joy.

Beauty is meaning. Someday things will be just fine.

https://youtu.be/k3BKq50l8hE

 

[TAC]

What a fun original post. Like this idea hasnt crossed the minds of millions of people throughout history. Nihilism is comforting sometimes, but whether reality is an illusion or not, you are living in it. Stating that it is pointless. Do you plan to ceaselessly exist in a figment of your imagination or end your imaginary life... I didn't think so. Try not eating or drinking water for a week and tell me just how imaginary that feels. We may be insignificant in the grand scale, but that does not lessen the value of creating meaning in existence. You cannot argue that we do not exist as:
1) We are all perceiving the same reality (Justin Bieber exists for everyone)
2) Even if we are all contained within a reality marble, that medium exists and so do we through it
3) Nothing is an object. or rather the absence of any objects. The presence of the void is not observable without the existence of other objects as reference.

 

[TAC]

The present is fleeting an exists to be grasped, for the journey is what matters. It is what creates the past and builds the future. The future is indeterminate, and the past is history. The pinnacle of human error is exposed from the study and forecasting of history and the future.

 

[Cognisant]

Nihilist: Why?
Existentialist: Why not?
Absurdist: Time to make the chimi-fuckin'-changas.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Nihilist: Why?
Existentialist: Why not?
Absurdist: Time to make the chimi-fuckin'-changas.

Such a thing is the stringent chain of eminescent multitudes, only before the never cease has such becoming always before the night, until it undoes all woes of washed stringents. How could they never become if thy hast a way without? As such it bemourns the ghost of time evermount that thoust has chased the stages of bermout. Truthfully.

(my reasoning for this post being relevant is that it's so... absurd lol)

 

[AndyC]

Suppose purpose and meaning were the same thing, just so I don't have to make this any longer. Purpose and truth both are not absolute, not because they are subjective, but because they cannot be proven without infinite justification. So to say you have no purpose is to accept no truth, if following an established convention, but to do otherwise would be the same as giving yourself purpose. Therefore purpose and no purpose are the same. So purpose is therefore irrelevant. Unless you define your purpose as finding your purpose, which I said somewhere else, and have forgotten why that worked. Hmmm. Oh well. Btw, truth is still relevant ^^^^^^^, because it just implies fallacy in everything and that doesn't work without accepting subjectivity, which was the case I made, crap.... I'm too tired to figure this out. Later.

 

[QuickTwist]

Not only is debating whether there is any meaning in life or not pointless, but it is also immensely unhealthy. The question itself is self destructive to the ego and bruises the candid existence that we simply must put forth for ourselves. Rather than getting lost in thoughts of pedantry, why not focus on what is to the betterment of your own individual self. Once you figure out that life is pointless what are you left with? Absolutely nothing that's what. Its beyond impractical and is sublimely inane to focus on things such as meaning when they have zero practicality to giving them time and effort. As highly intelligent meat robots our purpose is to stay interested in life and to survive. Anything that falls short of those two things is a lost cause.